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Major fail. Atheism is not a religion.

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I agree.

Side Score: 158
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I disagree.

Side Score: 114

if atheism is a religion, then NOT collecting baseball cards is a hobby

Side: I agree.
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
4 points

Are religions necessarily active? Can one simply hold to a religion and not do anything?

Side: I disagree.
Paradox44(736) Disputed
3 points

What is the purpose of religion if one doesn't have certain practices or rituals? Otherwise you are a mere Theist and Theism is not a religion. Let's assume that I believe that Odin is my god yet I do nothing. Nothing to show my dedication. Nothing to even show others what Odin says is correct. What is the point? There is no point. I have become a mere Theist. Can one be a Christian and do nothing? Not go to church and live their life the way they wish to?

Side: I agree.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Yes. No.

Side: I agree.
Helix(78) Disputed
1 point

Are religions necessarily active? Can one simply hold to a religion and not do anything?

No, all religions require rituals and sacrifice to be done.

Side: I agree.
VecVeltro(412) Disputed
1 point

Are you against atheist societies and atheist clubs as well? You generally don't see clubs about not playing football or not being a fan anime.

Why does the foundation American Atheists exist? By your own admission, it makes no sense.

Side: I disagree.
westernslave(693) Clarified
1 point

what % of atheists would you guess actually got a little club going? o.oooo1% of them maybe? it sure as hell aint enough to claim atheists are cult like.

Side: I agree.
Helix(78) Disputed
1 point

Why does the foundation American Atheists exist? By your own admission, it makes no sense.

As far as I know it exists to remove belief that we are result of magic done by wizard 6000 years ago.

Side: I agree.
1 point

Haha, that's very interesting. I really like that line. It is also kind of true .

Side: I agree.
3 points

Isn't that implying that every other religion is joined to look stupid?

Side: I agree.

Religion is where you worship something and mainstream Atheists don't worship anything.

Side: I agree.
2 points

Also the subtitles are wrong, it should be "Atheism a religious ideology smart people join."

Side: I agree.
2 points

That's correct, it's a belief not a religion....it doesn't practice any one certain thing such as a Jew would or a Christian would. Being atheist is simple a belief. Not a religion.....unless of course people that are atheist decided to practice some sort of ritual and belief and turn atheism into some sort of religion then that's a whole other story and tropic. It wouldn't surprise me if someone did though.

Side: I agree.
1 point

If you define Religion as:

Religion: "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods."

and you define Atheism as:

Atheism: "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."

Then the criteria of "Religion" and the criteria of "Atheism" can not BOTH me met at the same time.

Ergo, Atheism cannot be qualified as a Religion.

Side: I agree.
dadman(1701) Disputed Banned
1 point

lol .. whatever you "believe" man .. whatever you "believe" .. lol

Side: I disagree.
1 point

Thats not Christlike. .

Side: I agree.

Atheist doesn't worship no god, nor go to a place for service. All we do is reject gods or deities. We're not apart a religion, but we should be considered an ethnic group.

Side: I agree.
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
1 point

Ethnic group? What the hell, man? Describing atheism as a religion is more accurate than describing it as an ethnic group. At least the term itself is specifically in regards to religious beliefs or the lack thereof. Where are you getting ethnicity here?

Side: I agree.
Kazerian2001(393) Clarified
1 point

We'll I was just saying. We're not a religion, so we rather be known as a specific group of people instead.

Side: I agree.
1 point

Atheism is not a religion and it does not make sense to call it one. And if anything, atheism is against religion so it would not also be one.

Side: I agree.
1 point

athesim is not a religion ... in a religion you follow something and believe that god does exists ...atheists dont follow things nor do they believe in god

Side: I agree.
1 point

It's ofcourse no religion.It is just a concept of rejecting all the other religion.

Side: I agree.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

Definition two qualifies. Atheists believe there is no God or supernatural agent in the universe (actually, some of them do believe in supernatural agencies of other kinds but that's a debate for another day). Atheists cannot indisputably prove their claims and therefore it is a belief, negative or not. Some of them even take it to an extreme mindset. There are, I kid you not, atheist churches...

Side: I agree.
1 point

Religions does require gods, Atheism is lack of that belief, end of story.

Side: I agree.

Religion is about having a belief and following it.

The word atheist comes from the latin word theist (meaning to have a belief)

so if you are a-theist you have no belief.

Therefore, it is unscientific to call atheism a religion.

Side: I agree.

a religion is believing in some thing higher then yourself. atheism just is denying that there is anything bigger and better then we are. they don't worship anything so it is not a religion

Side: I agree.
dadman(1701) Banned
-1 points

atheism is not a religion ??? .. lol .. whatever you "believe" .. lol http://carm.org/atheism

Side: I agree.
5 points

Your link says it isn't a religion.

Side: I agree.
1 point

Im not an atheist, Im just standing up for them. Atheists are loved by God too.

Side: I disagree.
dadman(1701) Disputed Banned
1 point

yes .. God loves atheists ... so sad to see them headed for Hell .. they need Jesus http://www.gty.org/products/Audio-Series/186_The-Transforming-Power-of-Scripture

Side: I agree.
4 points

Atheism is a religion. Their religion is humanism because they ultimately decide what's right and wrong in their eyes. They only worry about themselves and it makes them self-centered basically saying that they're god when they don't want to follow a God because he "doesn't exist".

They also have churches that are being established which ultimately is pointless because what are you going to do over there? Nothing really,because there is nothing to worship. They also have doctrine which is the Humanist Manifesto.

I heard that religion shouldn't be taught in schools when they actually are teaching a religion in school and that's evolution.

There we go atheism is a religion.

Side: I disagree.
MuckaMcCaw(1968) Disputed
6 points

I don't understand why you guys insist on devaluing the notion of religion in a way to include atheism and even evolution. Do you have so little true faith and respect for yourselves that you feel it necessary to "lower us to your level"? Or are you just so brainwashed and unfulfilled that you can't picture anyone not participating in that aspect of life?

Their religion is humanism because they ultimately decide what's right and wrong in their eyes.

Or we just follow laws. Or maybe a philospher or two. Or utilize an objective system that accounts for society as a whole. Or we don't believe in good and evil to begin with. Different atheists take different approaches, but the very lack of a centralized system of beliefs is exactly WHY we cannot be considered a religion. BTW, not all atheists identify as humanists.

and it makes them self-centered basically saying that they're god when they don't want to follow a God because he "doesn't exist".

No. We are saying there IS NO GOD. It not us, its not anybody. WE DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD. Why is this so damn hard for you to understand?

They also have churches that are being established

This is a new and somewhat silly phenominon. But think about it, if you and your kind are going to insist that we are religious anyway, then why not build a church? It is a physical demonstration of how silly the notion is. You even recognized how pointless it is, yet you still call us a religion?

When was the last time you had a complete thought?

They also have doctrine which is the Humanist Manifesto.

That NO atheist is required to follow and very few do.

Do you consider the US Government a religion. They have buildings for normal meetings, the have a doctrine (The Constitution) that they ARE required to follow and are united in a common goal. So, if that's all it takes, they are religious too.

Side: I agree.
Hellno(17758) Disputed
5 points

Don't listen to any of them Srom. You're right... it is a religion. I worship a big giant black-hole in the sky. Every Wednesday I gather with other Atheists and we all hold hands and chant "God doesn't exist, God doesn't exist" over and over. Afterwards we go to Applebee's.

Side: I agree.
2 points

Damn it man, now they will come looking for us at the Applebee's. Don't you mean you meet at the McDonald's, right? ;) ;)

Side: I agree.
0 points

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Side: I agree.
4 points

Atheism is a religion.

RELIGION:

1. The belief in a god or in a group of gods.

2. An organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods.

3. An interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group.

The only definition of religion that could be applied to atheism is the 3rd one, but that one could also be applied nearly anything. According to that definition trolling is a religion, playing tennis is a religion, masturbating is a religion.

Their religion is humanism because they ultimately decide what's right and wrong in their eyes.

First of all, not all atheists are humanists. Second, you ultimately decide what's right and wrong in your eyes. You claim to be basing right and wrong on what god says but you don't; you pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you think are right and ignore the ones you think are wrong. Is chattel slavery wrong? Is sexism wrong? Is beating people with rod wrong? If you answered yes to any of those questions then you are not following what god says is right and wrong. You have decided "what's right and wrong in your eyes."

They only worry about themselves and it makes them self-centered...

If they only worry about themselves they why are there atheist charities? Why do you think atheists spend so much time trying to talk sense into theists? I'll tell you why, because we see all the harm religion has caused throughout the centuries and we want to live in a peaceful world. If you think wanting to live in peace is selfish, then I bet that makes you selfish too.

...basically saying that they're god when they don't want to follow a God because he "doesn't exist".

Do you follow Thor? If not, why not? Oh, could it be because you think he doesn't exist? How selfish of you.

They also have churches that are being established which ultimately is pointless because what are you going to do over there? Nothing really,because there is nothing to worship.

First, they don't actually call themselves churches. Second, only a tiny fraction of atheists actually go to these gatherings. Most of the gatherings are only a few dozen people with some possibly having a few hundred. The Sunday Assembly is the most well known atheist assembly. Their motto is "live better, help often, wonder more." They don't even talk about atheism in their meetings; they talk about living a better life and being a good person. Watch this video to learn more info about The Sunday Assembly.

They also have doctrine which is the Humanist Manifesto.

Again, not all atheists are Humanists. Everyone on the planet has some type of doctrine.

DOCTRINE: "a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group."

Do you believe 2+2=4? If so, then you have "a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group." I guess that means you have multiple religions now. You're god isn't going to be very happy to hear that.

I heard that religion shouldn't be taught in schools when they actually are teaching a religion in school and that's evolution.

You've admitted numerous times that you don't even understand evolution. How can you criticize something you don't even understand?

The only definition of the religion that evolution could even come remotely close to is the 3rd one I listed above, but using that religion every single subject in school is a religion.

There we go atheism is a religion.

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Side: I agree.
1 point

This is why you are my fave debater on here. I wanna be good like you.

Side: I agree.
Cynical(1948) Disputed
1 point

Humanism is not a religion, it's a philosophy. Wait... Whoops, haha, I thought the bold were your main points, not quotes. Disregard.

Side: I disagree.
AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
3 points

To be a religion it must involve some kind of supernatural belief. Atheism is the exact opposite of belief in supernatural things mainly a god. So no, it isn't. At all. It's the opposite.

Their religion is humanism because they ultimately decide what's right and wrong in their eyes.

1) you assume all atheists are humanists and/or that humanism is attached to atheism. Wrong

2) we don't decide what is right and wrong. As a society we decide that ergo laws exist. We simply maintain and constantly perfect those laws. Subjective morality isn't a bad thing. We're held accountable by our fellow man.

They only worry about themselves

Simply false. Absolutely false. I care about my family and my fellow man. My atheism doesn't have anything to do with selfish desires to "sin". Is it so hard to believe atheists can not believe in god and still not want to kill rape and steal? Why would I want to do that?

and it makes them self-centered basically saying that they're god

Except we're not. For the most part I can't say there are no atheists who are selfish dicks but for the most part were just normal people. I don't view myself as god and idk where you people keep getting that idea. But if I was god I'd be doing a damn better job than the asshole you worship.

when they don't want to follow a God because he "doesn't exist".

What we "want" has nothing to do with it. It's what we're convinced is true. What our subconscious obligates us to believe. Also we don't say that god does not exist. He might or might not. We just don't believe he does.

They also have churches that are being established which ultimately is pointless because what are you going to do over there? Nothing really,because there is nothing to worship.

1) they're not churches. That's a label that Christians put on them. They're just gatherings, meetings, assembly's ect.

2) idk what people do at them really. I think people listen to speakers, socialize and just enjoy eachothers company who have the same views as them. They don't worship anything, who says you have to worship something when you gather?

The purpose of these is to give atheists the sense of community that they lose when they leave Christianity or other religions. Some people miss that gathering and so places have these to replace that.

They also have doctrine which is the Humanist Manifesto

Again, you do not have to be a humanist to be an atheist and vice versa. Atheism has no doctrine and I haven't even heard of this manifesto. It's just the disbelief in god. That's IT. Not the belief there is no god, not the belief in evolution, not the belief in humanism.

i heard that religion shouldn't be taught in schools when they actually are teaching a religion in school and that's evolution.

1) you heard wrong. Religion can be tought as a class. Kids can be informed of different beliefs religions and superstitions. There are world religion classes in many schools. It just can't be taught as true and cannot be manditory in public school.

2) evolution is not a religion! Holy shit you people really don't get it do you? Religion = belief in some supernatural. Evolution has ZERO supernatural element. It is purely a scientific theory. And it SHOULD be tought because it has mountains of evidence on par with newtons laws, electromagnetism, light, gravity, ect. It's true so it's taught. End of story.

I challenge you to a formal debate on any religion related topic of your choice. It can involve any of the topics above or a new one.

Side: I agree.
Atrag(5550) Disputed Banned
1 point

They only worry about themselves and it makes them self-centered basically saying that they're god when they don't want to follow a God because he "doesn't exist".

A Christian only worry about what God thinks and about pleasing him. There a countless tales in the Bible of people willing to do immensely evil things just to please God.

Side: I agree.
Srom(12203) Disputed
4 points

Yeah because we are supposed to do things for Him and He wants us to spread the Gospel everywhere, so that everyone knows of Jesus.

Those "tales" you speak of people didn't do evil things to please God. God wouldn't approve of the evil things that people did.

Side: I disagree.
SecuritronX(106) Disputed
1 point

"Atheism is a religion. Their religion is humanism..."

This is like saying "Theism is a religion. Their religion is Islam..."

Theism and Atheism are just categories we use to describe different religious and philosophical systems.

One can be an atheist and live by a completely different philosophical system than Humanism; from Buddhism, to Taoism, Jainism, LaVeyan Satanism, to even Scientology. Just as one can be a theist and live by a completely different philosophical system from Islam.

Side: I agree.
1 point

Wrong. Atheism is not a religion. Honestly, cant you think for yourself? Atheism is the belief that there is no god. Thats it.

Side: I agree.
Srom(12203) Disputed
3 points

Atheism is a religion. If I think for myself then that means that I doing what the worldly people do. God established the rules for everyone to follow and I am simply following it. If I think for myself, it will only distant my relationship with Christ and not bring me any closer to Him.

Side: I disagree.
AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
1 point

No it's the disbelief that gods exist. It's not a positive statement that there is no god.

Side: I disagree.
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

Uhhh... No.

Side: I agree.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

ultimately decide what's right and wrong in their eyes

Just like all Christians. I guess you are a humanist.

Side: I agree.
Srom(12203) Disputed
4 points

No. Christians are following God's rules that He established for everyone to live and abide by. So really, I don't really decide what's right and wrong. God does.

Side: I disagree.
Helix(78) Disputed
1 point

No Shrom. Atheism is lack of belief in magic & gods. Nothing more, nothing else.

Evolution is a hard science, like Chemistry, Physics or Mathematics, arguments like "Papa Smurf never talked about it" can't break it...

Side: I agree.
3 points

Never mind Shrom... he's just on shrooms.

Side: I agree.
Srom(12203) Clarified
1 point

It's Srom first of all. 2nd you're still actively believing that God doesn't exist.

Side: I agree.
SexyBanana(306) Disputed
1 point

Atheism doesn't even claim anything, if atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color.

Side: I agree.

Define 'Religion':

. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

. a particular system of faith and worship.

. a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.

Define 'Atheism':

. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

There you go.

Side: I disagree.
2 points

Well, I disagree because while it might not be a religion in the sense of the word, I do believe it's a faith many people ascribe to in order to deny any supernatural element they hear about (true or not).

It takes a lot of faith to believe in nothing, in my honest opinion. And before you go 'IT'S NOT A FAITH BLARGH', faith is merely a belief. While I'm implying faith here to be something of a religious nature, faith itself does not have to be religious. After all, faith is simply "complete trust or confidence in someone or something", as stated by the dictionary itself. I see nothing of a religious nature in that statement.

Now, having said all that, a lot of Atheists I've argued with online cling to Atheism as if it were a religious institute or faith, claiming to be scientists when they do not even consider their opponent's view. I thought science was a method of observation, not a vehicle for complete denial in anything you dislike.

Side: I disagree.

I agree. .

Side: I disagree.
2 points

By defintion of the word Religion:

3. An interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group.

Anything could be considered a religion. So why do atheists get all bent out of shape when someone says it is? Makes me think of a lyric from a Rush song (FreeWill)... "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

I don't get so frazzled by semantics.

Side: I disagree.
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

That is basically a quick summary of what really qualifies as a religion. What can be considered a religion is limited. Atheism is the opposite of theism. Christians are theists... So do you think that they are involved in two religions? Several Buddhists are atheist... Again, how many religions do you think they are involved in?

Side: I agree.
vadia(48) Disputed
1 point

I am not calling any Atheist a Christian. Nor am I debating the meaning of the word theism. The question at hand is "Atheism is not a religion" so the word we had to look at was RELIGION. And by it's definition, Atheists just like masterbaters are included.

Side: I disagree.
1 point

Atheists believe in science, and modern science has many features which make it similar to religion:

1. Physics introduces several concepts, like wave function or gravity tensor, which are impossible to comprehend on the level of imagination. We can only believe in them.

2. In 1934, Kurt Godel proved his famous Incompleteness Theorems. According to them, mathematics cannot be completely formalized. Therefore, some basic premises of mathematics are things in which we can only believe. Like the ZFC axiomatics on which all of modern maths depends.

Side: I disagree.
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

There needs to be some kind of worship and rituals. Otherwise everything is a religion.

Side: I agree.
BigOats(1423) Disputed
1 point

Well modern physics seems to be worshiping General Relativity, and many of its methods look more like rituals than science.

Side: I disagree.
7thDebater(294) Disputed
1 point

Ya I agree with Cartman on his statement. I think some people are confusing a belief with religion, because there is a big difference.

Side: I agree.
7thDebater(294) Disputed
1 point

Also, the points you bring up are true but I don't see how they really help your case. They are kind of random and don't show how atheism is a religion.

Side: I agree.
BigOats(1423) Disputed
2 points

Science has always been the atheist's main weapon against religion.

I'm just pointing out the science does not rely on logic 100%, so we have one set of beliefs contering another set of beliefs.

Side: I disagree.

Does God exist?

"Any absolutist attitude is always a religious attitude, and in whatever respect a man becomes absolute, there you see his religion." - Carl Jung.

re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj′ən)

4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion

As an atheists are you here for a cause, principle or activity pursued or with conscientious devotion? I believe you have found your religion. If not atheism, Createdebate.

Side: I disagree.
1 point

As far as rights are concerned, atheism should be considered a religion. Can anyone deny that it is at least a religious preference?

Think about the first amendment. What if a government in the future said, "You need to chose a religion, and atheism is not an option. The Bill of Rights says you have free exercise of religion, not the freedom to chose atheism." Would everyone not agree that such a government would be violating the spirit of the first amendment.

By the same token, the government has been guilty of deciding on social issues on the atheists' side, because to chose otherwise, even through inaction would supposedly be establishment of a state religion. The federal government and the supreme court have established a state religion;of atheism. Thus, they have been trampling the rights of Christians to govern themselves a they chose.

All atheists invoke the free exercise clause, but for some reason atheists believe they are superior to the establishment clause.

Side: I disagree.