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Debate Score:72
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Many atheists are intolerant.

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2 points

Hell yes they are, and they make the rest of us look bad. So they should shut the fuck up.

Edit: On hindsight, I should clarify. Many doesn't really mean most. There's a lot of really intolerant atheists out there who incredibly hate the idea of someone having a religion. I can jive to that, but there's a certain point you can go to before enough is enough. It's not like the same can't be said for people with a religion. I mean, there's crazy pissed Christians out there spouting nonsense that nobody really wants to hear, and it's embarrassing for other Christians. Why? Because they're associated with those morons.

Side: True
2 points

many are, but many are not.

if this were titled "most athiests are intolerant" i would disagree.

Side: True
1 point

So, how many are there?

Are there equal number then?-------------------------

Side: True

In general, atheists are intolerant because many have an imperious and impervious attitude of superior intelligence where they are inherently correct, and theists are inherently incorrect.

For the most part, religion has many flaws, but if one wants to believe in a deity, then s/he has every right as I do to be atheist.

However, in all fairness, I may be borderline agnostic/atheist because I grew up in a very religious family, and it follows everywhere I go.

I absolutely don't resent theists.

Lastly, even in today's society, it is rare for children to grow up a completely atheist family. I

Side: True
1 point

True!

However most people of ANY group are intolerant of people not in their group (or in the case of atheists, lack of a group).

See people trying to get you to join a religion.

See YEC (Young Earth Creationists) on OEC (old earth creationism)

See Wannaneses (Want to be Japanese) on things not Japan centered!

See Authoritarians on Libertarians.

ECT...

Side: True

Coming from a former atheist, yes. They are only narrowly intolerant though. Through the preachings of tolerance, they gain a narrow view of faiths in power (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam for example) and are quick to criticize them on their own intolerance, thus leading to the intolerance of. Pick a group, most of them are intolerant people.

Side: True

Hey look everybody, I'm supporting the true side!

Many atheists are intolerant? Good! Many more need to be.

I usually don't do this, but why should I bother typing it all out? With the time I'll save just posting this link, I can put a pot of coffee on and shoot a round of golf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO4duhMRZk

Side: True
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

Many atheists are intolerant? Good! Many more need to be.

Spoken like a true anti-American (or, in your case, Anti-Canadian).

Supporting Evidence: Dawkins (www.individualsovereigntist.com)
Side: True
1 point

Spoken like a true anti-American (or, in your case, Anti-Canadian).

I don't get it. What's anti-American (or in my case, anti-Canadian) about putting on a pot of coffee and shooting a round of golf?

Oh, you mean my intolerance of misogyny, racism, barbarism, ignorance and discrimination of homosexuals. I don't believe any of those things are considered patriotic virtues.

Side: False
0 points

If more atheists were intolerant and took to active protesting of religion on the streets, maybe we would see a healthier society that isn't so enslaved by crooks and liars.

Side: True
3 points

The atheists that I have met in person and on various Q & A sites have been very tolerant, unlike fundies.

Side: False
3 points

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish. You've been making claim after claim, generalization after generalizaton, and reaping praise and anguish from those childish enough to play along. It's time you stop. Your debates use to be interesting. What happened to:

Aliens

Society

Media

Controversy

and notably,

Fetishism

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Come on TERMINATOR, it's getting old.

Side: False
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

It's time you stop.

Look at that, atheists! One of your group (you are an atheist, right?) is attempting to convince me not to use my rights to freedom of speech and freedom of the press!

What happened to:

I'd forgotten about those. They seem so distant now; I've spent so long looking for refutation against these outrageous lies made by the so-called 'New Atheists'.

Aliens

I got one response.

Society

I got a few responses.

Controversy

This was a religious question. Only one user responded.

Come on TERMINATOR, it's getting old.

Who cares how old it is! It gets responses!

Side: True
2 points

So it's about the responses now, the ol' Joecavalry method. So be it. Who am I to expect anything more or less from anyone on the internet anyhow? If I wish for engaging debates, I shall so make them. To each his own.

Side: False
2 points

If atheists are intolerant, then religious people are equally intolerant.

Side: False
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

If atheists are intolerant, then religious people are equally intolerant.

I did not state that they were not. However, for a people who claim to have no purpose to proselytize - to reason to advertise their beliefs - they seem to do a hell of a lot of it.

Side: True

I do not believe this is so. The (last I checked) universal opposition by atheists to the banning of religion (debate) implies a distinct level of tolerance.

Side: False
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

I do not believe this is so. The (last I checked) universal opposition by atheists to the banning of religion (debate) implies a distinct level of tolerance.

Then you must surely have checked long, long ago. For while it is true that I know of none who wish to ban religion outright (though Dawkins is most likely quite close to such an outrageous view), there are those who wish to ban aspects of religion which, in turn, would lead to a decrease in religious followers.

New Atheists, as they are by some known, wish to limit the freedoms of those who are religious. They wish to ban the religious from speaking about their religion - to others or even to their own families! - which, in turn, would lead to a lack of proselytization. After very few generations, religion would be all but forgotten. That is why Zoroastrianism nearly died out some twelve or thirteen centuries ago - a lack of proselytization led to an ever-diminishing number of adherents.

Side: True
2 points

though Dawkins is most likely quite close to such an outrageous view

Not at all actually. He was asked what he would do if his kids wanted to be religious, and he said that he wouldn't try and stop them but he hoped they would be smarter than that.

Maybe you could legitimately argue that he doesn't respect religion as much as he should, but saying that he wants to ban it entirely is a complete misrepresentation of his views.

In fact, as far as being tolerant, how many religious parents would be okay with their children converting to either a different religion or becoming irreligious? A lot less than atheist parents who would oppose their children becoming religious (let me tell from experience, religious parents don't take it well when you tell them your an atheist).

New Atheists, as they are by some known, wish to limit the freedoms of those who are religious. They wish to ban the religious from speaking about their religion - to others or even to their own families!

Who wants this? You are nuts.

I know there are atheists who claim that parents are abusing their children by scaring them with hell, and those who oppose certain types of indoctrination, but none that oppose people speaking about their religion.

Side: False
2 points

Atheists just lack a belief in god, there's really nothing that unifies their behaviour. Maybe if the subject was secular humanists, then one could argue that there is more tolerance within them.

Side: False
2 points

I think a lot of atheists are actually very tolerant. And if you look at it from a historical perspective, the religious are the intolerant ones, starting wars in the name of God and persecuting people for not subjecting to their code of "ethics" or for not subscribing to their religion.

Side: False
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

I think a lot of atheists are actually very tolerant. And if you look at it from a historical perspective, the religious are the intolerant ones, starting wars in the name of God and persecuting people for not subjecting to their code of "ethics" or for not subscribing to their religion.

Atheists do the same thing.

Side: True
MKIced(2511) Disputed
2 points

But surely not as often or as viscously. Look at the past: the Pope himself (I forget which ones), who was supposed to be the "closest" to God, waged the Crusades in the name of God and killed Jews and Muslims just because they were living on the holy land. And in Spain, Catholics tortured and killed innocent people during the Inquisition just because they didn't share a belief in Christ. And when they came to the new world, they either killed the natives through war and disease or tried to convert them in order to "save them" rather than learn about their culture and embrace it. And that's just the Catholics.

The Jews waged war at the holy land after their slavery in Egypt because God "gave them that land"... Who cares? Honestly, if they needed to live there so badly, why couldn't they try to live there through diplomacy instead of war? And the Muslims have modern day radicals who terrorize the rest of the world because of their beliefs. And they are constantly fighting the Jews over the holy land. Frankly, I think the holy land should be a non-denominational nation in which any religion can enter to worship however they need.

Regardless, many atheists are not intolerant. Some are. But I wouldn't say a lot of them are. Especially when you contrast them to the overwhelmingly intolerant past of the religious. =/

Side: False
2 points

they have the right to believe or not believe in what they want to believe. they have that right just as just as religious people have the right to believe or not believe in

Side: False
2 points

No, not necessarily. I myself am an agnostic, which, on MANY levels, can be considered a form of atheist. I am tolerant towards all sorts of religions. Your religion can be based on a God who created the Earth in order to see a Jon Melloncamp concert for all I care! No skin off my nose! It just DEPENDS on what you do with your religion, really.

Side: False
2 points

Atheists are intolerant, this could only have been written by the religious, as they are the most judgmental shower of cunts that exist, its not nice to have your obviously ridiculous beliefs questioned is it?

How about considering the fact that Atheists consist of peoples from every race and color and formerly of every type of religious denomination, most religions occupy their own little niche and are holding on with closed eyes for dear life to a notion created in the simple minds of ancient men with no understanding of the world and the cosmos. This meme ancient and deadly is creating fear and fear is the most dangerous of all emotions. A fear that is causing a new third world war.

Side: Fuck That
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
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Atheists are intolerant, this could only have been written by the religious

I was not making a comparative statement.

as they are the most*

That's a generalization.

judgmental shower of

And you aren't being judgmental?

cunts

Another one like that and you'll be banned.

its not nice to have your obviously ridiculous beliefs questioned is it?

I don't mind it.

How about considering the fact that Atheists consist of peoples from every race and color

As do many religions.

and formerly of every type of religious denomination

As do many religions.

in the simple minds of ancient men

Are you saying that Aristotle and Plato and Socrates were "simple minds"?

with no understanding of the world and the cosmos.

In one thousand years, do you think that future man will view our understanding of the world and the cosmos as "advanced"?

This meme ancient and deadly

Prove it.

is creating fear and fear is the most dangerous of all emotions.

Based on what you are saying, all - or, at the very least, most - religious people should be very violent. I've never known a violent religious person.

A fear that is causing a new third world war.

Prove it.

Side: True
Dandeluxe(79) Disputed
2 points

I was not making a comparative statement.

I never said you were, I made a comparative statement after reading the title.

That's a generalization.

It may be, but in my experience its true.

And you aren't being judgmental?

Yes I am. The topic of the debate although disguised as non judgmental is that in buckets.

Another one like that and you'll be banned.

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOO. Please Masta.

I don't mind it.

Then why the topic?

As do many religions.

Undoubtedly, but from a generally less educated background.

Are you saying that Aristotle and Plato and Socrates were "simple minds"?

No, but you pull up three of the greatest minds of ancient times and some how wish to prove that because they had faith in GODS that this somehow proves what? There was a time when the worlds greatest minds thought the world was flat, this did not stop the rest of the world thereafter from considering them great minds. The world moves on.

In one thousand years, do you think that future man will view our understanding of the world and the cosmos as "advanced"?

Compared to more ancient civilizations, yes. In the last one hundred years man has split the atom, created space travel, automobiles, the telephone, television, the Internet, the home computer, particle physics, genetics, mobile communications, etc,etc.

Prove it.

Not proof but a good argument.

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_dangerous_memes.html

Based on what you are saying, all - or, at the very least, most - religious people should be very violent. I've never known a violent religious person.

Oh I don't know maybe the current situation in the middle east, Israel, the fact that a bible belt president sent America to war.

Prove it

Seriously?.

Side: False

Doubt it. At least those atheists in America have to tolerate Christians everywhere they go. If they were really intolerant they would have to leave the country and go to some island somewhere...but hey, whatever you have to tell yourself to reassure your worldview.

Side: False
orangepeel(190) Disputed
1 point

Try being a christian living with athiests for two and a half years. The worst part was that I didn't try convert them, they tried de-converting me.

Side: True
2 points

I can't speak to your experience, and I'm sorry if they didn't respect your views, but I've never seen atheists stopping people on my way to class and trying to recruit them. To be fair though, I don't actually know all that many atheists personally, nearly everyone around me is Christian, which further goes to my point that it would be almost impossible to be intolerant...if I was, I'd have no friends :(

Side: False
2 points

Try being a christian living with athiests for two and a half years. The worst part was that I didn't try convert them, they tried de-converting me.

To use a prosaic example, imagine that you were a man walking along the streets proclaiming that you have aliens in your teeth and the president is a ghost. People would mock you or ridicule you. The only difference between Christianity and this example is that there are some 2 billion Christians proclaiming that a man rose from the dead who was the son of god, etc. You have immunity from ridicule granted by the herd. That's why atheists who ridicule you seem obnoxious, you've never had to confront your beliefs because everyone around you tends to believe as you do.

Side: True