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Marcus Moon Busted For Lying. Also, It's An Amarel Alt

First this idiot claimed Karl Marx (the most thorough critic of capitalism in recorded history and a research academic who wrote literally dozens of articles and books about capitalism) "didn't understand capitalism".

When I laughed at him for saying something so outrageously stupid he tried to pretend the joke was on me by writing an Amarel-style 10,000 word reply consisting exclusively of straw man argumentation. It began:-

"Part of Marx' misunderstanding is that he conflated capitalism with industrialism"

Except...

The Emergence of Marx’s Critique of Modern Agriculture

Pointing out harmful consequences of capitalist agriculture based on a division of town and country that quickly exhausts the soil in the interest of maximizing profits, Marx warns that the development of productive forces and technology under capitalist relations of production does not automatically prepare the conditions for human emancipation.

https://monthlyreview.org/2014/10/01/the-emergence-of-marxs-critique-of-modern-agriculture/

Be warned. If you see any posts by either Amarel or MarcusMoon, know that you are talking to a liar and a fanatical political zealot.

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Anyone who supports capitalism doesn't understand capitalism, either that or they are a shortsighted sociopath who only cares about themselves. The only reason these ass holes say Marx didn't understand capitalism is because he pointed out how stupid and evil it is. Arguing against socialism and in favour of capitalism is no different than arguing against democracy in favour of monarchy, they are just retarded robots who want to keep things as they are allegedly "supposed to be" rather than improving society.

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Anyone who supports capitalism doesn't understand capitalism, either that or they are a shortsighted sociopath who only cares about themselves.

Absolutely correct and well put. They either don't understand it (hardly surprising given that Americans have few neutral sources on the matter) or they are extremely wealthy and don't give a fuck about anybody else (i.e. "shortsighted sociopaths").

The only reason these ass holes say Marx didn't understand capitalism is because he pointed out how stupid and evil it is.

Again, right on the money. I don't believe that any economic system can be inherently evil in and of itself, but capitalism certainly incentivises and rewards the doing of evil by the very nature of its overemphasis on individual power and wealth.

Arguing against socialism and in favour of capitalism is no different than arguing against democracy in favour of monarchy, they are just retarded robots who want to keep things as they are allegedly "supposed to be" rather than improving society.

In a way I suppose you're absolutely right. These people argue in defence of tyranny because the only definition they have ever been given of freedom was provided by tyrants.

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Again, right on the money.

As in correct about the money when I say it's an anachronistic social construct that causes us to use our planet's resources in unwise ways which only benefit those who play the game of capitalism well (as opposed to those who play the game of actually producing things) or are given wealth by a lucky roll of the dice. We have a system that resembles a type of game that puts all the resources and decision making power in the hands of those who play the made up game well rather than those who actually understand the real world. Business men and politicians generally do not know anything real, everything they have been trained to deal with consists of the workings of a conceptual fabric of ideas which at it's core is designed to impress the values and interests of those who weaved them into society.

I don't believe that any economic system can be inherently evil in and of itself, but capitalism certainly incentivises and rewards the doing of evil by the very nature of its overemphasis on individual power and wealth.

Yes. Capitalism and the monetary system are not some kind of conspiracy or evil scheme, but a natural outgrowth of scarcity and the barter system. They are nonetheless inherently flawed both for the reason you stated and also because they are unscientific and there is often a conflict between what is best for the economy or business and what is best in the real physical world. Not to mention what Jacque Fresco said about his experience during the great depression. We still had all the resources, operational machines in the factory etc. but people where starving and production was halting all because of some conceptual point system that humans made up.

These people argue in defence of tyranny because the only definition they have ever been given of freedom was provided by tyrants.

Yes. I think that the whole idea that authority is necessary in the first place came about for similar reasons, but it is also somewhat of a self fulfilling prophesy because people are not conditioned to come to valid conclusions on their own in many instances. The problem arises from having a society where people make decisions rather than arriving at them through methodology and reason, thus we entrust certain people to make decisions rather than having a society where everyone is trained to be able to arrive at decisions that can be universally agreed on because they are objectively logical.

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