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Marines Army
Debate Score:87
Arguments:36
Total Votes:105
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marines or army

Its simple do you think the Marines have better training or the Army

Marines

Side Score: 65
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Army

Side Score: 22
6 points

the marines are always in the frontlines of every battle. and when they finish the army just decides ok we will take it from here, 1 to 2 weeks later. they lose the city. and the marines have to go and take it back again. that was greatly displayed in somolia. the marines are feared the army is hated. by the enemies of course.

Side: Marines
16RE3Chaffin(2) Disputed
1 point

Lol really...didn't know Somalia put up any fight...at all...lost cities...rofl

Side: Army
5 points

The Marines have way better training than the Army by a mile. Alomost every Army soldier ever been in Marine boot camp says its really hard or they gave up. And every Marine ever been in army boot camp has said Army so easy a caveman can do it.

Side: Marines
Republican2(350) Disputed
1 point

Army training is not really easier, it's just shorter and geared differently. Also, the Marines have a much more specialized scope than the army. Traditionally the Marines are trained to invade an area, and the Army holds and defends it. But now days the Army also has specialized divisions like the Green Berets and Rangers which are arguably harder to get through than the Marine Corps.

Side: Army
au5tinlolol(7) Disputed
6 points

really the green barets. all they do is run around trying to help civilians by teaching them farming and other economic stuff.

Side: Marines
au5tinlolol(7) Disputed
4 points

specialized scope whatever. the army takes all the good stuff they like and keeps it. and then gives all the shit to the marines.

Side: Marines
4 points

marinesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Side: Marines
4 points

most of yall on the army side are still giving out reasons of how the marines are better you just arent admitting it.

Side: Marines
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

You do realize every time you down-vote an argument YOU lose a point, right?

Side: Army
au5tinlolol(7) Disputed
1 point

you are right i will stop but wat is the big deal about the points though

Side: Marines

I have never been part of neither the Marines or Army, but I have met some men from both, and the Marines are hardcore bad asses.

Side: Marines
2 points

marines, hands down. I have a cousin who was in the marines for 6 years and said training was hard but it was well worth it to be able to serve his country.

Side: Marines
2 points

BOOM thats right. my dad was in the marines and he said the exact same thing.

Side: Marines
1 point

Hoorah. The marine Corps was started as a special ops team. The army is so well known in comparison. Every Marine I have meet is playful where the Army men I have meat arnt. Although I have alot of cool Army friends to. HOORAH

Side: Marines

The Army has the widest variety of MOS because they have the widest variety of training programs. While the training of a Marine tends to be longer and more combat intensive, it is much more limited in it's scope. Furthermore, an Army soldier has the opportunity to pursue advanced MOS and combat training after basic if they so choose.

Side: Army
1 point

The Armed forces as well as Marine require excess training. But, the Army is exclusively important since a lot of countries work entirely on Ground Military.

Side: Army
1 point

I'm just tagged as army but tbh i think that they both are good. Each of them have good things about them and bad things. Actually, I don't care :D

Side: Army

Soldiers live longer ;)

Side: Army
1 point

Here we go. First and foremost let me state that the Army outclasses the marines in every kind of warfare EXCLUDING a beach landing/beach assault. Marines are designed to be thrown against the hardest target, take a crazy amount of casualties and that's it. Look at the pacific, look at their branch, look at their training. This isn't because they're more fit, smarter, better shots, better trained, or anything. It's because the US ARMY infantry is designed for full man units. If you have a brigade, or hell even two battalions under strength due to unnecessary losses then it throws of the design. The army has a carefully thought out system that intermeshes infantry, armor, arty, and air support designed to dominate any sustained engagement. That's why we're better equipped, supported, and bigger. We train just as hard, for just as long as they do, just in different areas. Look at the 101st or the 82nd for example there are no airborne units in the marines at all, and the 101 is the only air assault unit in the world...the only thing they know better is water borne operations because that's what they exist for. I mean seriously they're part of the navy..think about that. They're not their own branch they're a SUB branch of the USNAVY. In Afghan, 90% of the time, if you call for a MEDEVAC your getting an army pilot. Yes, the at has its own Close air support; A10s, apaches, kiowas, black hawks, etc. if your looking for badassness look at it like this. Most military jobs are really similar to civilian jobs except infantry (me). That BS of "every marines a rifleman" is recruiting rhetoric used to sucker in wanna-be goner pile mother fuckers. I'll end this argument by simply staying that the army has: ranger tab, ranger batt, sf, and delta force. The marines can only join the NAVY's SEAL program, and even though they're badasses, delta could still kick their ass. That being said, we're all brothers-in-arms, and I thank the marines for their part in any conflict they're involved in. 16Romeo out.

Side: Army
Anthonyhook(178) Disputed
1 point

EVERY Marine is trained Infantry. Marines came up with close air ground support. . We get longer training on the rifle range. Every Marine runs at least 3 miles, not just our special forces. Our Boot Camp is 13 weeks plus infantry school, and then your MOS school.

We are a department of the Navy, the Mens Department. We have Force Recon who can put any, i mean any, other special force team to shame.

Maybe this will help too.

"First training wise, the Corps makes you go through a 13 week bootcamp. After which they go to ITB (Infantry Training Battalion) which is another 9 week long school. After which they go to their respective units (unless recon but they are not considered typical infantry). From there its training day in and day out and playing all of absurd "games" (not the fun kind). The training is extremely difficult and is non-stop as they are always out in the field or going on hikes with all their equipment and weapons (If your a saw gunner you have to carry your saw).

Ok now with the rangers

The easiest comparison would be to USMC recon because they are not considered SF (that would be the Green Berets). The rangers are usually the cream of the crop of the army (and many Green Berets are the best of the best in Ranger Battalions, usually) They go through army basic which I believe is 9 weeks long but it is much easier than USMC bootcamp. From there the go to AIT but I'm not 100% positive on that and after that if they have signed a ranger contract prior to shipping to basic (basically if they were physically fit with a 1st class pft and not a mental case) they go to ranger school which would be equivalent to USMC ITB but is slightly more in depth and emphasizes alot of team building and small team leadership (which is a main stay in the USMC as a whole). Also if you flunk out of ranger school you get recycled into regular army infantry. If you flunk out of ITB you get sent to some other MOS not infantry related (comm, cook, etc.).

Now if you were asking who was better trained I would say a Ranger is about equal to USMC Infantry. Its harder to compare the two because they are trained for two very different missions but either one would be a very formidable opponent when someone in the army completes basic training with a ranger contract they then go to airborne school and after that are brought to RASP, not ranger school. ranger school is to earn a ranger tab, which someone from any unit (or branch) can try to achieve. RASP is to get selected into the 75th Ranger Regiment. which is a special operations group of the U.S. Army. while i will agree that marine boot camp is probably harder then army basic training, it is just that, basic training. the army itself is too large to train everyone to an elite standard, therefore theres groups like SF and rangers to draw out the toughest in mind and body from the regular ranks. unlike basic training and boot camp, RASP can be quit at anytime for any reason, and people are dropped frequently for lacking the substance to be a ranger. anyone can complete training that they are not allowed to quit, but doing something that just downright sucks and sucking up your pain and mental abuse, lack of sleep, blood soaked feet, and still performing to the standards even tho 80% of the class quits in the first few weeks, that takes strength. "

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Whatisthedifferencebetweenarmyrangersandthe_marines

Side: Marines
0 points

Well, of course I'm going to pick the Army. The Army is the backbone of US military forces. Although the marines are much more combat focused than is the army, I don't think that necessarily makes them better.

Side: Army
5 points

"The Army is the backbone of US military forces"

That doesn't make them better by any means, that only means they have greater numbers.

"Although the marines are much more combat focused than is the army, I don't think that necessarily makes them better."

I think the one who's more focused when the bullets fly is by far MUCH better.

Side: Marines
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
0 points

That doesn't make them better by any means, that only means they have greater numbers.

In the capacity to make war it most certainly does.

I think the one who's more focused when the bullets fly is by far MUCH better.

There are just as many if not more soldiers who could say the same thing.

Side: Army