CreateDebate is a social debate community built around ideas, discussion and democracy.
If this is your first time checking out a debate, here are some quick tips to help get you started:
Arguments with the highest score are displayed first.
Argument replies (both in favor and in opposition) are displayed below the original argument.
To follow along, you may find it helpful to show and hide the replies displayed below each argument.
To vote for an argument, use these icons:
You have the power to cast exactly one vote (either up or down) for each argument.
Once you vote, the icon will become grayed out and the argument's score will change.
Yes, you can change your vote.
Debate scores, side scores and tag scores are automatically calculated by an algorithm that primarily takes argument scores into account.
All scores are updated in real-time.
To learn more about the CreateDebate scoring system, check out the FAQ.
When you are ready to voice your opinion, use the Add Argument button to create an argument.
If you would like to address an existing argument, use the Support and Dispute link within that argument to create a new reply.
You can share this debate in three different ways:
#1
#2
#3
Paste this URL into an email or IM:
Click here to send this debate via your default email application.
Click here to login and CreateDebate will send an email for you.
Marriage is about love, not biological sex.
Marriage is about love, not biological sex. Consenting adult same sex couples have the right to get married. They are not hurting anyone. One group does not have the right to force their beliefs on another group against their will, and besides, some religious people including some Christians are progay and probisexual.
Marriage is, above all in the modern world, a legal convention, and not a spiritual or religious one. There is no basis for discriminating against a group of people legally for spiritual or religious reasons.
I agree that Marriage is about love, and not biological sex. I feel that if two people love each other than they have the right to be with one another, which includes being able to get married. I don't understand why some people get so angry at the thought of two people of the same sex being together. We were raised knowing that man is supposed to be with woman. But what if we were raised knowing that woman was supposed to be with woman, and man with man? Then it would be normal, but instead people are narrow-minded and only see it as man and woman. And in truth, same sex couples do no harm. Is it really so wrong that they love someone of the same gender as they are? I don't believe so. But many say otherwise. I think we should just let them be. Same sex marriage, and couples in general deserve the same respect as those of us who are not same-sex couples. They are people, just like us, and therefore should be treated as such.
Marriage is all about social formality, since there are plenty of couple who loved each other, but their love doesn't turn into to marriage due to several castism or family issues. So, according to me, love is different and marriage is different. We don't love our partner but we have to love our partner forcefully.
Marriage has traditionally been about consolidating power and wealth. That is why to this day we have arranged marriages. It has also been about creating heirs to the throne. And even now, gay marriage is about marriage benefits. You don't need a marriage license or a wedding to declare your love for someone. And even if you wanted to have a gay wedding, you can. No one is going to throw you in jail.
Marriage is an illusion created by lawyers in order to support the reality of divorce ;)
Although I am not against bisexuals and gays if they want to have their own family, I think marriage is a different matter. In my religion which is Catholicism, there are only 2 genders created in this world, which is the man and woman. For us, marriage is sacred. And it is done only for the sake of the man and woman. But then, as I've learned also from my religion, I should also respect the beliefs of other people. Even if I am against gay marriage, I think I would just respect their decision, because they have their own outlooks in life. Besides, if they really love each other, then why should we stop them in the first place. For the people who become offended by my little statement here, because they are also Catholics alike, then Im sorry, but this is only my opinion.
You do not have the right to force your bigoted views on other people against their will. Two consenting adults getting married has nothing to do with you. It is none of your business. There is nothing wrong with same sex marriage. 2 Samuel 1:26 is proof of that along with 1 Corinthians 7:9 and Matthew 19:10-12. :because I do not believe in it" is not a valid argument. We do not live in a theocracy.
Your verses are not approving of gay marriage. Please stop twisting the bible's words! I already disproved your interpretation of 2 Samuel in our previous argument. 1 Corinthians is talking about the bond between a man and wife, just read a little further into verses 10-11 and it will prove it to you. Matthew doesn't even talk about gay marriage! It is talking, in chapter 19, about adultery! Jesus used an example of the eunuchs. Eunuchs were not gay people. They were castrated and remained celibate, so they never married.
Look, I wasnt forcing my beliefs on someone. i said that if they choose to get married or not then it's fine. Please read my statement. I said I'd respect i if they want to get married, because from my religion, I was taught how to respect other's beliefs as well. So please, dont be offended.
I'm indifferent, however if the argument is merely love then those under the age of 18 should be allowed to marry, even with people older than 18(currently illegal), incest should be legal (currently illegal) and polyamourous marriages should be allowed (currently illegal). If you wish to move the goalposts in the name of "equality" then you must be consistent.
People seem to have a very narrow-minded view about marriage.
In Asia, Africa, Middle East and some European cultures all practice arranged marriages. That's the majority of the world. Love marriages are a new and seemingly growing tend in modern society, but that does not mean that's the pure definition of marriage. Marriage has and always will be to start and maintain a family. People in India or China get married to start a family.
Gays choose not to have biological families. They have given up their right to a family (biologically) so what is their need to get married?
If you choose to support gay marriage then shouldn't you support incestuous marriage? If it's a choice between two consenting adults, then you guys should be supporting incest. It's completely hypocritical to call homosexuality natural and incest disgusting. They're both as disgusting as each other...
Strawman. Support for same sex marriage does not automatically mean support for incestous marriage. Also, gays have not given up their right to a family. This is a free country, for now.
I am pro gay marriage, by the way. However Ismaila, I take issue with your actions here.
You shouldn't ban someone for having a differing opinion, what you do is totally destroy their arguments to the point that they feel like a fool for ever saying them. Don't you know that?
Why did you open these 20 debates on gay marriage, anyway? Did you just want to hear a bunch of people agreeing with your lifestyle choices? Isn't the point to open up a dialog and have a conversation about the issue? You are really that afraid of what he'll say that you wont let us hear his side? I can think of plenty of responses that would be better than banning him. You basically give his argument validation with that shit.
His argument was, "If it's a choice between two consenting adults, then you guys should be supporting incest".
This is absolutely a valid argument. If the prerequisites for a legit marriage are simply "two consenting adults", then many socially unacceptable relationship become permissible. That is not to say supporting same sex marriage is the same as supporting incestuous marriage or that homosexuality has anything to do with incest. That was not his argument nor is it mine.
A good answer to that would be: There is more to a healthy marriage than just having "two consenting adults". Simple as that. You didn't have to make him into a martyr and validate his bullshit by banning him.
You are wrong. That is not a valid argument to compare homosexuality to incest. Incest is bad, and homosexuality is not. You are parroting antigay propaganda.