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Hulk: Bordering on invincible. If he was actually invincible he would have no conflict, and would not even exist as a comic book character.
Bordering on indestructible. He has bled before. I won't find sources, because he bleeds against pretty much every for, so as to give him a more resounding ending when he does win.
Able to always remain angry? I think not. No canon evidence that that is the way he actually is now, I think it was just a clever thing to have The Hulk say as he was being official introduced in the Avengers movie.
Wolverine: Bordering on invincible. He has been torn in half by The Hulk. Had the metal ripped from his bones by Magneto. Had his claws broken by Sabertooth. Had his skin shredded by Jean Gray or The Phoenix. And loads of other events. I'll give it to you that he's durable, and resilient as hell, but it is incorrect to state he is indestructible. Not to mention that if you cut off his head that is the end.
Thor and Loki: Mortals with great power, strength, and very long lives. Said so by the alleged king of the Gods, Odin. They were only worshiped as gods because they're so spectacular.
Iron Man: Arguably Batman, Lex Luthor, or Braniac could top him. I know the other two are not heroes, but I don't doubt Batman could at least get Lex Luthor to help the side of the heroes.
Magneto: You chose his I.Q. to represent him? That's a laugh. not to mention, he's a villain.
Hulk has instantaneous healing, even if he bleeds he literally can't die.
Wolverine healed form being torn in half.
Thor and Loki are not mortal.
Iron man would murk batman. He has a suit and weapons far above the level of batman's leather. In fact he has remote-controlled suits if you watched iron man 3.
I wouldn't say Hulk's healing is instantaneous, that would mean any damage he takes wouldn't affect him because the exact moment it happens he'd be healed. I'd say it's fast as hell, and saves him from major harm. I mean unless of course you could provide a canon quote, or writer's proof of that statement.
Wolverine did heal from being torn in half, but you said he was invincible, I said that he was not because he can be torn in half. If anything will give you the advantage in a fight, it's slowing a person down to the point that they have to go look for their lower half.
Iron Man's suits are a great advantage but batman, if he should need one, is not with out a suit. Assuming in this mock battle the two universe's elements would also be merged, batman could easily make a suit out of the same stuff (if not tougher) than Iron Man's.
tony Stark is a genius (without trying) bruce wayne merely has a smart butler and in ingenious inventor who happen to be on his side. He, himself is just a man in a suit, iron man is the suit. Iron man doesn't even need to be in the suit anyway.
Tony Stark is a genius (without trying) whereas Bruce Wayne merely has a smart butler and in ingenious inventor who happen to be on his side. He, himself is just a man in a suit, iron man is the suit. Iron man doesn't even need to be in the suit anyway.
I seriously think you're under cutting Bruce's intellect. Not all his comics are about him busting skulls, a few or actually quite a bit of them, focus more on his detective skills.
Iron man, as smart as he is, has only shown his genius in building weapons, batman's knowledge appears to be more versatile.
Iron man knows the entirety of physics, chemistry and biology and on top of this knows maths to a level of Einstein. He can, on the spot, invent a new machine in his head.
As I said before, you are under cutting Bruce Wayne's intellect. I have said nothing of Iron Man's brilliance or lack there of because I am not going to sell him short. I am only stating that you can't sell Batman short because you're over selling Ironman
bat man does not make half his stuff. He owns a military company known as Wayne industry that make most of his stuff from bullet proof armor and even the bat mobile is a military weapon that they never released.
quick note: most of batman's enemies were made by Wayne industry. Clay face was using makeup made by Wayne industry, the vat of chemicals joker fell into was made by Wayne industry's, and the Titan serum given to Bane was Sponsored by the Wayne industry. Most of Batman's enemies could sue the Wayne industries for their problems.
Magneto is not a villain; he is sided with mutants and will fight anyone who stands against his kind regardless of alignment. He will also team with anyone, even his own enemies, just to win a battle. He's a god of chess and a master strategist.
Let me just stop you there and say the marvel universe is not just limited to the Mutants of X-men you know that right? No one would dare say Hob Goblin isn't a villain, and it's pretty well agreed upon that the Avengers is a group of heroes.
Your points on magneto are true, and I guess I can give you that point that if Mutant kind were challenged he would stand against that tyranny, how ever when mutant kind isn't being challenged he's causing some tyranny of his own, and in a mock battle against the heroes of Dc their would be no reason for him to join.
Put the hulk up against Captain Atom or Spectre and they'll drain the gammer radiation out of him making him banner again, whts gonna happen then? Thor would get slapped up by Superman and Loki is just a little bitch, Iron Man and Batman would be the pair to see go at it, that I believe would be quite a fair fight. Magneto and wolverine...I have no argument there.
I think marvel. It is not fair to judge DC or marvel on how strong they are. Or how many people are in it. Marvel in my opinion has a great selection of heroes. My favorite? DEAD POOL
And this is a heroes battle, so Doom, Galactus and Loki wouldn't be there. SS could take down a few of their heavy hitters, but not a legion of Green Lanterns or Spectre if he's at full power. And Hulk's a badass and all, but so are VERY many DC Heroes. He wouldn't get a hand on Flash, but Flash could infinite mass punch him into space...
Hulk can't smash what he can't hit. Half of the JLA can think and move at or near the speed of light, and most of them can fly at said speed. He'd spend spend the whole battle just fuming and punching the ground.
In terms of movies? Marvel. Hands down. They have destroyed the box office with just about every movie out there. In terms of TV shows? DC. Arrow, Flash....AMAZING shows, Agents of Shield is pretty good but the other two over shadow it. In terms of Comics......hm...that's a tough one.
Hulk: Although, as has been mentioned, is not technically "indestructible", has been called unkillable multiple times throughout the movies and comics. He also gets more powerful as he fights, which means he basically has unlimited power,
Vision: As I already said, he is basically Superman. He is as indestructible as any character in Marvel or DC and can become so sparse that nothing can touch him, while still being able to use powers like the Mind Stone.
Scarlet Witch: She's not allowed to be called this in MCU. However, she has telekinesis, which is only limited by how she decides to use it.
Phoenix: Another telekinetic. She's been the center of many scenes of ultimate destruction throughout the history of Marvel, and can disintegrate people instantly. Sorry, DC fans, but that includes those like Superman and Green Lantern.
Quicksilver: Even though he's not as fast as the Flash, he is still faster than any other character, and can run so fast that all other motion is negligible, as demonstrated in both the MCU and modern X-Men films. He's also immune to most things while running because he is moving too quickly for anything to affect him.
Silver Surfer: I don't know much about him, but I know he's indestructible and can fly faster than light.
Doctor Strange: I only know about the MCU version of Doctor Strange. However, in addition to being able to summon just about anything he wants from other-dimensional energy (sounds a lot like Green Lantern), he can fly, manipulate time, and place himself and others in the mirror dimension, which is impossible to get out of without being able to use a sling ring, and make them unable to affect the real world, which includes his fellow Marvel characters.
Professor Xavier: He can read and control other people's minds within his telepathic range, which, if he's in Cerebro, is anywhere on Earth. Enough said.
Wolverine: He actually is indestructible. Adamantium is stronger that MCU's vibranium and is the only indestructible material in either comic universe. His skeleton is made of it, so "ripping him in half" or "cutting off his head" is out of the question. He can heal himself, and he's been both shot in the brain and stabbed in the heart and survived. His claws are only limited by his strength.
Spiderman: He's overlooked a lot, but his spider-sense gives him the ability to avoid most danger. He's stronger than characters like the Winter Soldier, and displayed strength comparable to Iron Man. He also has webs that can restrain an enraged Hulk.
Ghost Rider: He is actually immortal. He can summon and manipulate fire, and demonstrated the ability to wield Mjolnir, raise the dead, and grow in size in the comics. His vehicles can also self-heal, which is pretty cool.
Iron Man: In the comics, he has built armor to beat just about any villain he's faced (including a Galactus [aka evil indestructible god] buster armor). Also, anyone saying that Batman could beat Iron Man doesn't know what they're talking about. Iron Man has faced off against telekinetics, gods, and Hulks, beating all of them. Batman has struggled to beat a clown in a purple suit. Additionally, Batman, as smart as he is, would not be able to hack into Iron Man's operating system. JARVIS was able to outsmart an AI that was derived from the Mind Stone, and Iron Man has operated without an operating system before.
Odin: Basically the only god in MCU, Odin is the most powerful comic book superhero in existence. The full power of his powers has never been explored, but he's never been beaten.
Magneto: Not really a villain or a hero, but has teamed up with both before. He can control metal with his mind.
Loki: He can trick anyone into believing anything and travel between realms. He can conjure weapons and armor from nothing.
These are some of the most powerful characters in Marvel comics and movies. This doesn't include all-powerful villains like Thanos or Ultron, which it really should when comparing the power of the characters.
Can't forget about sentry, basically marvel superman.
Legion: literally one of the most powerful psychic in the Marvel universe. yes even more powerful than jean grey, and professor Xavier. Also has multiple personalities which, have different psychic powers, which basically allows him to have every power ever.
Dead pool: basically nearly indestructible, can only kill him by obliterating every cell in his body
Juggernaut: has a infinity stone in him, which give him his powers plus he virtually unstoppable when he starts moving.
Skaar: Hulks half-alien son. He is physically stronger than hulk, just as fast regeneration, wields a sword, smarter than hulk, and can use some sort of tectonic earth powers. You want evidence that he exists, look him up.
The most powerful character of all time though is the one above all. he is literally god.
There are over 7200 Green Lanterns, each of which has ring that can accomplish nearly anything they can imagine and power with willpower. In addition, most of them are highly elite, selected for courage and willpower. There are other lantern corps as well, and some (the Indigo tribe, Blue Lanterns and possibly the Star Sapphires and even Red Lanterns) would be fighting on the side of heroes.
Any active Kruptonian or Daxamite is as powerful as a major god. Superman, Supergirl, Mon-El
The Spectre, if at full power is virtually omnipotent and acts with the power and authority of God.
Several heroes are empowered by the Lords of Order and are extremely high level powers (Captain Marvel, Dr. Fate and others); or are avatars of universal power (Swamp Thing, Firestorm, Animal Man)
Martian Manhunter and Miss Martian are both arguably more powerful than Kryptonians. So on and so on...
Exactly! He has been my main argument for saying that is an all out battle Dr. Manhattan would just out power everyone... People think Superman is strong, nahhh, he can't even compare to Dr. Manhattan. If you search or have read comics about/with Dr. Manhattan his powers might seem limited, but he can create anything, he can virtually make his own super powers... He controls matter on a sub-atomic level, so when Dr. Manhattan disintegrates the Hulk, what happens to the Avengers? xD
DC's gods tend to prefer granting their powers to others like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel rather than actively getting involved. This should mean that such characters should be able to stand up reasonably well to folks like Thor and Hercules, and even if not, they can get back-up from the New Gods, or whoever is bonded to the Ion entity presently.
You can't say DC is better because superman...... If marvel wanted to they too would make someone as strong as him. And DC could make a new heroe as well. Don't judge because of how much power they have.
BTW superman is not invinceable. A regular everyday person could kill him with a green rock at night. However deadpool and wolverine literally cannot die.
The two major characters that are considered rough parallels for Superman are Thor and Silver Surfer. Further there have been several characters (Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry) that are obvious attempts to emulate Superman.
All of the Earth-Bound Eternals are around Superman's power levels and capabilities, Captain Britain is somewhat similar at peak power, Nova (the Nova Corp member, although the female Nova and all other of Galactus' Heralds could be said to be at least equal if not superior to Superman) is a world-breaker at full power. Beta Ray Thor is just like Thor but an alien. The Blue Marvel is kind of a black human Superman. Even Namor is arguably similar.
Well, I had meant to start it all off responding to this:
But they don't have anyone like Superman, do they?
but apparently forgot to include that. My bad.
But, in my opinion...
Thor and Beta Ray should because, aside from being pretty close in the raw power depatment, they are both fueled by magical energy/weaponry, and Superman has no special defense against mystical attacks. Also, both are superior combatants.
Surfer should if being written up to his actual power level (although neither he or Superman really ever are)...
Sentry could, although since he is often a villain he might be left off the list, but he was literally created to be a Marvel Superman who was more Superman than Superman.
Gladiator and Hyperion would be about equal to ol' Supes.
Not so sure about the Eternals, though most of them should at least keep it interesting, and I'd put Nova and Blue Marvel in that category. Captain Britain alone wouldn't have what it takes, but the entire CB Corps might be able to do so. Namor, though...no definitely not.
Thor and Beta Ray should because, aside from being pretty close in the raw power depatment, they are both fueled by magical energy/weaponry, and Superman has no special defense against mystical attacks.
I have no idea who Beta Ray is... But I'll take your word for it.
Captain Britain alone wouldn't have what it takes, but the entire CB Corps might be able to do so.
I bet when an enemy is too difficult, Captain Britain calls Captain America for help lol.
Actually, I totally made Captain France up. His closest equivalent though, is super lame. He is called le Peregrine, and...yeah, his costume makes him fly and look a little like a falcon.
Meanwhile, the list of international superheroes is vast. But as far as the decisively nationalistic heroes/heroes who like to wear their flags into battle:
Major Mapleleaf (a humorous spoof on Cap, but canonical)
Guardian/Vindicator- The founder of Alpha Flight, former boss of Wolverine and usually considered the top Canadian Hero, and like most members of Alpha Flight his costume is based on the Canadian Flag.
Captain Forsa- Brazil's national hero, very short track record before he got killed by Everyman.
Aside from Captain Britain, the UK has also been represented by various incarnations of Union Jack since WWII
Hauptmann Deutschland of, well, I'm sure you can figure it out.
Numerous Red Guardians from Russia
Black Panther is both the leader and spiritual representation of the fictional African Nation of Wakanda and their ruling Panther Cult
Collective Man was China's original hero, but his name actually comes from his mutant power of creating duplicates, not just his political preference.
Sunfire's name and costume were based on the Japanese flag, and he sometimes was government sponsored.
I feel like I'm forgetting a few, and remember these are only the ones who are like Captain America for their country, still dozens of other international heroes.
And this was JUST Marvel.
DC probably has even more international heroes. Typically the ones in DC aren't intended to be explicity nationalistic, but the majority of them are based around stereotype and American perceptions of the country or its history.
Actually, I totally made Captain France up. His closest equivalent though, is super lame. He is called le Peregrine, and...yeah, his costume makes him fly and look a little like a falcon.
Lol. Well that's a new one to me. To be fair though, I only specialize in Earth 616. Ultimate Marvel is a whole other continuity. Although I will grant that certain moments and lines in the Ultimates were epic and/or hilarious, and Ultimate Fantastic Four gave us the badass Marvel Zombies scenario, the line is otherwise a disgrace to Marvel proper.
In the old Batmen of All Nations stories, the was a character named Knight. he had a sidekick, his son, Squire. It was later revealed that knight himself was the first Squire, sidekick to the Shining Knight. Anyway Kinight I died, Squire II eventually became Knight II and took on his own Squire.
Meanwhile, there was character called Hood, who became the first official English representative of Batman, Inc. I believe Knight and Squire are also officially part of that now. Unlike some other characters, they don't generally call themselves Batman, but they basically are the Batmen of Britain.
Hmm, that's pretty impressive, as they are fairly obscure. They did have their own miniseries a few years back though, and guest appearances in various books in and out of the Batman franchiser. Cool enough characters.
Batman's one of my favorites out of the big name superstars. The whole franchise, from batman and his supporting cast, to his villains, to Gotham itself is very stylish and intriguing and layered. Most Batman stories in comics and all the other mediums are great examples of why I like comic book heroes (definitely some exceptions though).
The Punisher I liked a hell of a lot as a kid. These days I'm not as into him, but he is a very unique and distinctive character.
My favorites for DC include Martian Manhunter, some of the Green Lanterns, Flash (II & III mostly), some of the New Gods characters, Black Canary, Zatana and Batman and some of his characters.
For Marvel I tend to go with Black Panther, Iron Man, Silver Surfer and various X-Men and X-Women. Hulk used to be up there, but not so much anymore.
One would think he would be a fairly easy character to get right, and for cheap compared to other comic movies, but the theatrical releases seem to fuck it up pretty fierce. Or so I've heard. I've never actually seen any of the Punisher movies all the way though, but I'm willing to trust word of mouth on them.
Have you heard of Vision? Other than superhuman senses, Vision has the exact same powers as Superman. He's also connected to the entire Internet and can manipulate the density of his body, enabling him to walk through walls. He also possesses one of the six most powerful items in the universe.
superman's weakness also is magic and anything that can mentally affect him. Some one like Dr. Strange can actually stand a chance. Also Ghost Rider is magical so superman is beat by him. Legion can make superman a living vegetable. Any one with psionics, yes even the heavens gate looking guy in a wheel chair, can mess with all of the Dc's characters mind making them basically useless.
"You can't say DC is better because superman...... If marvel wanted to they too would make someone as strong as him."
That has to be the single weakest argument in support of comics ever. The obvious answer is that none of this matters, because writers hold the real power, but the fun in these arguments is in imagining that they stand alone with no one controlling their existence.
You also said:
"BTW superman is not invinceable. A regular everyday person could kill him with a green rock at night."
Agreed.
" However deadpool and wolverine literally cannot die."
Silver Surfer will curb stomp him. And Superman isn't invincible. In the Death Of Superman comic, Doomsday beat Superman so bad, Supes died from his injuries.
Silver Surfer is virtually indestructable, can travel faster than the speed of light, is stronger than virtually any hero aside from Hulk, can turn intangible, speak any language,can channel enough energy to shatter a planet or trigger a supernova, can manipulate virtually any energy around himself for any imaginable feat and can completely transmute any substance into any other.
He has never been just a hero with a surfboard. He is the most impressive surfer in the Universe :P
Take away the surfers board and what are you left with? A grey little faggot that needs to be carried around? Superman would be able to have batman create a disruption field that would disconnect the surfer from his board, and then Supes would pummel him to the ground, you're all quick to jump to the single hero but pay no attention to the fact that most if not all are actually part of a team, Batman and Superman tend to help each other in most situations, what makes you think that if the world was in danger from the silver surfer and his master like it was in Fantastic Four, that Bats and Supes wouldnt come crashing down on him with the Justice League? I believe Surfer is out of the equation.
And i made a Superhero named Axle Hauk. An Intergalactic Canadian Vigilante. He first had Superhuman abilities and Teleportation. But, withhis abilities with magic,he turned himself into a Powerhouse.
Yeah, yeah, we get it. Wolverine and Hulk are tough. And Hulk is very strong. And Wolverine can cut through anything (as long as its less than a few feet thick). Whoop de doo.
Neither character can fly. Neither have long range attacks (unless you count Hulk's "clap attack", which anyone else in his general strength range can pull off). Neither can do jack nothing to anyone who can move at or near the speed of light (which is a LOT of DC heroes). If you are going to pick powerful heroes from Marvel, why not go with the versatile ones? Silver Surfer, Thor, Dr. Strange, maybe a Captain Universe here, a Phoenix there...
Yeah except there's an entire array of mind-attack characters (most powerful being phoenix/jean-gray) that can mind control your entire fucking DC army and disintegrate them in a millisecond.
Phoenix would be the only one that could offer a proper challenge to Spectre. And not as Jean Grey but as the Phoenix Force. Only the problem there is if you let the Phoenix go Phoenix, she's just as likely to destroy the Marvel folk as the DC.
I like Marvel more than Dc, BUT if i have to be totally honest. How does Marvel put up a fight that compares to Dc? I know that Marvel has strong character, but Dc has Gods... Not as in Thor god, but more like god like powers... Take a look at Dr. Manhattan and Superman... I know people say that hulk is strong and all, but he is only physically strong... Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter. What will hulk do about that? People say that Dr. Manhattans weakness is that he don't give a fuck, which is true, why should he care for insignificant mortal creates as humans. But if we say that for some weird reason they had to fight each other no matter what, then he could probably kill (Destroy) the Marvel universe... I mean the only weakness that people can point out on Dr. Manhattan is that he don't care for earth... Is that really a weakness? Well ya, if he has to protect earth, but if he for some reason HAD to fight, he'd wreck Marvel... Also i know that he hasn't done anything really, BUT we still know the limit to his power, there is none... Sorry to say it... And once again, I'll state: I AM A MARVEL FAN, but a realistic one that is. ;P
I'm a bigger fan of Dc's heroes as a whole, because Dc's heroes are more commonly fighting super villains in stead of super powered organizations, or their very own government.