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there are even singer that are muslims that are americans but if you hate them for their whole country your just racest i mean racist dont come from color you hate them from what they are and that is wrong i mean in muslims life jesus exist to but they dont take him as someone bad they cant hate jesus, christians take jesus as the god and for muslims he is a prophet of godbut even if you believe in jesus, jesus never said hate muslims i mean me i love jesus and i dont think on voting for any of these debates this is just what i know and what is wrong for americans to do, i mean dont yall think its time to give people chances if you learn a muslim its really good because like that other commented theres good and bad people but dont go around calling them terrorists and i watched this mean video some show that was mean about muslim and selling something like a pork spray that is really mean dont yall think they are humans too and have hearts wether they are good or bad but pork spray thats really mean and the same show on youtube saying that muslims should carry something that they are muslims so that they would know that terrorist is coming come on guys dont yall think of how people are feeling.....i mean there are lots of americans that are really nice and dont talk about people like that but if you hate a person keep it to yourself and dont get near them i even relized that at this website theres more muslims talked about and this is not cool at all either your trying to be a bully in the computer or just plain mean but they have heart and dont think all are terrorists i mean do you think alot of muslims did that disaster at 9/11 do you think all muslims did that when your saying MUSLIMS are terrorist there were few mean muslims but not all muslims i mean some muslims are on the americans side for what happen on that day i herd that muslims can fight for their religion but not just destroy other people country and kill lots of people muslims werent told that at all and those muslim that made 9/11 happen they knew that they didnt care and the other ones didnt many live in the U.S they are not terrorists you never blame on the whole muslims for what happened just like back then there used to be slave owners and not all americans were slave owners were they? no many hated that i would love some respond thank u
look idk what this arguements about but not all muslim are arabians theres muslim around the world like there is some muslim in the united states there are white people and black people that are muslims, there are some poor people in africa that are muslims just cuz arabics speak the muslim language dont mean they are all muslims
the pronoucing have nothing to do with hate i mean be honest not a single muslim came to your face and said something hateful you just see that on t.v or internet then you spread it like a rumors and they hate that if you actually live next to them they are nice and peaceful and plus they think americans are the haters cuz they are in a new world where their country are talked about, some of them are scared of americans because they came here to make a good likfe and it got worst for them the languages, the foods, the places are wierd for them
im not trying to make a big problem bout this but doesnt some of the amendments of america has something called freedom of religion? i think so, i wanna know why some of you people trying so hard to make a big arguement in the internet when muslims dont give a damn about what you post in the computer you people (who hate the muslim) need to know that they are not gonna leave the united of state just becuase of stupid comments, really they dont they will not waste their time reading lame stupid comments about how much you guys want muslims out seriously you really got nothing to do with your life.
Lol....yeah, all our conflicts with the middle east have to do with mispronunciation. Let's forget that the vast majority of the people over there who attack us don't even speak english as their first language, and thus wouldn't be able to recognize any of these mispronunciations, and that in reality only the minority of Americans pronounce those words the way you describe... yeah that's totally why they hate us.
Mesopotamia has always been called "the land of Iraq" in Arabic.
The word 'Mesopotamia' is in origin a Greek name (mesos `middle' and 'potamos' - 'river' so `land between the rivers').
Mesopotamia' translated from Old Persian Miyanrudan means "the fertile cresent".
The Aramaic name is Beth-Nahrain meaning "House of Two Rivers" and is a region of Southwest Asia.
The Arabic name العراق al-ʿIrāq has been in use since before the 6th century.
Reason i suggested it was because then , the Americans can just call them Mesopotamians instead of pissing you off with there bad pronunciations.. and they can call the muslims " those mesopotamian muslims" instead of w/e the fuck they call them.
BTW-The Middle East has long been the story of the rise and fall of universal empires and, no less importantly, of imperial dreams. This has been so from the ancient empires of Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent (for example, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Carthage, Persia, Assyria, Babylon, and so on), through the early Muslim states and the Ottoman Empire.
Lol no need for a history session.. especially from YOU.
Why would the Americans call them mesopotomians when they're iraqis? They're two different civilisations, cultures and peoples. You want to start calling all Australians aboriginalese or w/e the fuck they were called before?
Ohhh.... Iraq's 'original name' is mesopotamia? Really? So you're saying that there was nothing on that piece of land and suddenly there was a civilisation called mesopotamia and from then on all civilisations on that piece of land regardless of any variables should be called mesopotamia?
Do you listen to yourself? lmao!
Explain what an 'original name' is.
Explain what the original names of Britain, France, Spain, USA, India, China, Mongolia, Russia etc. are?
Explain how they're the original names.
Next you'll be arguing the earth is flat or some shit.
P.S. I haven't given an opinion on the sound of the name.
P.S.S. How does it feel to be wrong every time with me?
"Explain what the original names of Britain, France, Spain, USA, India, China, Mongolia, Russia etc. are?"
Again i have to laugh .
Seriously , you want me display more of all you request to start on all those contries too?
Remember im not the one who has an issue with the mispronunciation of names.
I am an arsehole Kinda . Just like you.
I like talking in inconclusive riddles.
But at least im honest about my bias racial dysfunctions.
Unlike me , you try to hide your bias racial dysfunctions behind a cloak of bullshit.
Sorry jerk but , your cloak is lucid.
(consider this last bit my final response ALSO to your other arsehole post in the "Do we need meat" debate as i cant be fucked waiting for your "educated intelligence" to advance to a broader horizon.
PS the earth is neither flat nor round , Its wonky!
Just cause your life may be fantastic doesnt mean you're not stupid, trampy and white trashy.
What about those in Haiti? you want me to make a debate about wether we should help them or not? Or wether their story 'cuts me up'. No. This is one of those things where shit needs to get done and not talked about. Unfortunately I can't do much about it.
I'm sorry but are you of all people called amy winehouse a skank? YOU??
When there is all these billions upon billions of people out there in this world , do you really expect me to care seriously what someone as meager as you thinks.
You are nothing more than degenerate scum.
"This is one of those things where shit needs to get done and not talked about."
Yes so true.
Where i think your being a cunt is how your constantly bagging out Americans when they are the first to assist in cases like this. etc.
"Unfortunately I can't do much about it."
Neither can i and ,yes it does cut me up .
But there is ways we can all do our bit to help, if we want to .
Good. I make you sick. Well atleast you seriously DO care about what I say. lol.
Trust me. You're not who you think you are. Not as big as you think you are. Not smart. Maybe you've had all these experiences but you haven't bettered yourself. You're still trash.
And you will always fail to prove me wrong. Every single time. You haven't ever been able to truly argue anything I've said. Ever.
Please don't tell me that story cuts you up. It doesn't. Don't lie to me... you're insulting your own intelligence.
Trust me. You're not who you think you are. Not as big as you think you are. Not smart. Maybe you've had all these experiences but you haven't bettered yourself. You're still trash.
AGAIN !, GEE YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
your mother should have swallowed or aborted you , you are such a vile thing.
get over yourself you gross vile excuse for a man.
Even if you swapped sex you would still be no more than a vile thing.
I dont speak to anyone else here like how i speak to you.
AND I CANT BE FUCKED TRYING TO EARN YOUR RESPECT
YOU DONT DESERVE IT.
You are such a gross being , no wonder i mistake you for a turd.
Just want you to know that as your posts manage to get stupider each time, my love for them won't stop. I can't help but reply to every stupid thing you save the fact that I'd prefer it in one debate than every single one you post on.
this has nothing to do with how to say the words proper muslim is a peaceful religion they are not the haters they think americans are the hater because you americans make fun of them ( americans make fun of the way the women dress) americans say the womens are owned by their men but apparently they are just normal the men love their wife the women love her husband and the love its just like anyother love they are not forced to wear their head scarf they do it because they want to STOP THE HATRED PEOPLE BECAUSE ARE NOT ANYWHERE SOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually women are forced to wear head scarfs in some Muslim countries. Women are buried up to their necks in Iran and stoned to death... Are you okay with that? In Afghanistan under the Taliban women were forced to wear burkas... after the fall of the Taliban many women chose not to wear them any more so they weren't wearing them because they wanted to... Women aren't even allowed to be educated in many Muslim nations so stop being a الكلب القذر
How did i know you'd single out Iran you biased american apologist. Iran is far far far far far far far far better than Saudi Arabia (you that brtual country your country funds, aids and supports but economically and militarily and provided the weapons currently being used on the people of Bahrain) and it will reform eventually if your brutal empire stops threatnening to bomb them back to the stone age, dont you realise that breeds and re-inforces extremism and anti-american feeling in that country. Women are allowed in government in Iran (and there are many,look it up), the freedoms women have in Iran as compared to Saudi Arabia are incomaprable. Have you ever looked into the Saudi Regime, its as brutal as it gets, far worse than Sadam or any other puppet dictator you had in your pockets. You need to stop being so selective and hypocritical, you can call me an extremist if you like but you know full well i have point.
What, what exactly have i said that was bullshit, Iran is a far more feree and liberal society than Saudi Arabia, ive been to Iran, im speaking from personal experience. You can chose not to beleive my opinions but if you take the time to investigate both regimes you'll quickly realise which one is more repressive and authoritarian.
Blah, blah, blah.... Gary, bullshit just ooozes out of your mouth... I agree Iran is more secular, and allows more freedoms with technology etc.... but they are far from little angels. Iran is much more destabilizing for the region than Saudi Arabia.
Yes they are more destabilising fir the region, your entirely correct, but destabilising for who?????? Oh yeah, YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, who cares what Saudi Arabia does, as long as they are playing by your rules, right!!!! I mean Saddam was gasing Kurds with full US knowledge but hes was your dictator back then, si it didnt matter, please dont try and disagree with this (even though i know you will, you have to, cause it flys in the face of everything you beleive, even though its true).
You see you think you have some god given right to control the affairs of the peoples of the middle east and hijack THEIR most preciouas resource to suit your own self interested ends. I think t he revolutions have shown that US backed tyranny in the that part if the world is no longer wanted.
Iran is no fuckin utopia, stop trying to twist my words. You exactly the piont im trying to make here. Iran doesnt play by American rules, therefore they're part of the axis of evil. Saudia Arabia does, therefore you are allies (no matter what they do to their people with your backing). Pakistan, another fine example of a completely corrupt country (again your country played a massive part in making it that way), they have nucs (supplied by the west), and in my opinion the probability of them using them against india is just as high as iran using them against isreal.
Iran is in the news because they are threatening your empire, not because they are evil or more dangerous than anyone else. They have rocket systems position all along the gulf, they can take out the worlds oil supply, thats power. America fears this, and the possibilty of them gaining the bomb will further strengthen their position (i.e. weaken the US positon in the middle east). This is unacceptable for Washington so they are made to look like the new Nazi Germany despite the fact that there are countries just as bad in region who are your close allies.
Its all geopolitics, the sooner you give up on your fantasy of america being for the greater good (or whatever other bullshit you americans like to beleive when its force fed to you from your corporate controlled media), the sooner you'll begin to realise how much your being lied to.
Again, i dont support the Iranian regime, its existence is the results of the overthrow of the brutal dictator your country installed (i.e. the Sha). You created the theocracy (after the revolution) by installing a brutal dictator and you fuel the extremism in that country through your hostility towards it.
Gary, I know what the fuck you are trying to say... I have said many times that America and most countries in the west, I'm sure Ireland included, support less than desirable countries. Just because I'm not in love with the Iranian regime like you, doesn't mean that I think Saudi Arabia is perfect either. Even though the Saudis don't like Israel, I don't think they will drop a nuke on them either like Iran would if they could. And, they drop one on us too if they could.... not directly from them but by handing it off to some terrorist outfit so why in the hell would I or any sane person be in love with a regime that wants to kill me? I wouldn't.
I think your impression of Iran is far too extreme. Also, i dont think think your hostility towards them is justified in the least. Your the ones who installed a brutal dictator that repressed his people at the behest of the cia. Now you think you have the right to invade, you can demonise that country all you want, the world is waking up to american's hypocracy, even the Western world.
Your losing the information war as the internet is refuting all the propaganda being spewed out by your media. Your cherished belief that somehow your country is a force for good will come tumbling down around like a house of cards. You Americans want to beleive this delusion, but you will be forced to give it up, dont worry, i have no doubt you see it be destroyed in your lifetime.
Tell me Gary... is ignorance bliss? LOL! Just joking but you are blind in my opinion but hey... this Iran debate has played itself out already and we're not getting anywhere...
Yes ignorance is bliss, and your a perfect demonstration of why thats true. In my opinion you are blind, you are blind because you want to be blind.Ive already admitted Iran are dangerous but you seem to think there fuckin idiots, these people are far more cultured than you americans, they understand that what dropping a nuclear bomb on antoerh country means.
Bwhahahaha! Yeah, right. You continue to act as if I am referring to the Iranian people... Of course I'm not and I've said so to you numerous times... I'm talking about the Iranian regime that you worship. You are the blind one...
Now, let's move on.... I'll say a color and you tell me why I an wrong and how America is to blame.... Okay?
I only continue as if your talking about Iranian people because if you do invade that country it will be them who suffer.
If this conversaton was about Iraq and you said, you continue to act as if im referring to the Iraqis people, i would have said the same, and i would have been correct as 1 million people have died as a direct result of the invasion.
Now you continue to think i hate the west and everyuthing western (which means the people), nothing could be further from the truth, i hate the governments, i hate the economic model, and i hate the wasteful egocentric consumer culture it has produced, i do not hate the people for being products of the culture.I do not hate the secular freedoms we enjoy, there are many things i love about the West.
Ask the Kurds of they'd like America to leave THEIR country, ask the Kurds if they like the puppet government america has installed, ask the Kurds if they like the fact their infrostructure has gone from being the best in the middle east (pre gulf 1 ) to one of the worst. Ask the Kurds if they like the fact that 1 million of their country have died, ask the Kurds if they like the fact that american has built bases all over their country and show no sign of ever taking them down, ask the Kurds if they like how there countless billions of dollars worth of the Iraqi peoples oil was effectively stolen after the invasion.Ask the Kurds if they trust america given that it was them who installed Saddam in the first place, and supported him for two decades and only turned against him when he stopped playing by US rules, ask the Kurds what they think about the fact that american was supporting Saddam when he was gasing hundreds of thousands of them, with america having full knowledge of it, in fact they probably supplied the gas, they supplied most of his arsenal.
Im not saying the Kurds won't agree that their glad to see the back of Saddam but thats only because they were so brutally repressed under his regime, it doent vindicate in any way what your country has done to Iraq.
No, it doesn't and if you think the Kurdish infrastructure was better than Dubai or Kuwait City or Riyadh then you're an even bigger nutcase then I originally thought.
Here's a link to Iraq's reconstruction facility fund, it states that the country had one of the most modern infrostructures in the middle east prior to the first gulf war.
Oh! I see... so now you're changing you tune to one of the most modern infrostructures in the middle east (infrastructures) from the most modern.... you're a slippery one aren't there Gary.
Yes i admit i made a mistake, i am human human. Look if you think about for one second you'll realise that its quite hard to determine exactly which country has the best infrostructure(without conducting some extremely detalied technical study), so that the original comment was just wrong, i acknowledge that, i didn't realise it when i wrote it, i assure you.
idk wat yhu talking bout but i myself am a muslim that is married i am not killed to death by my husband his not my master okay he dont take adventage of me because he married me becuase he love me and plus our parents are the one who decides if they want the girl to be married with a man and our parents love us they would not make us get married to someone that would kill us so FYI stop using arabic word if your not it okay i am a muslim and i know how it feels, have 2 kids and a wonderful hard working husband so stf up you know nothing الكلب القذرand you are this
Bullshit! I never said that all Muslims treat women like that but are you denying that women in Iran have been stoned to death? Are you denying that women in Afghanistan weren't allowed to be educated and were forced to wear burkas??? Get a grip dude... you know that Muslim women are treated like property in many countries and if you say otherwise then you are either lying or your a dumbass.
muslim people i mean not all bad there’s good people and bad people but you can’t blame it on every muslims , see i don’t hate muslim because is if muslims said something bad on americans like all of you are terrorists that would make all americans mad because now yall are mad because muslims are everywhere what if muslims said something bad about people that hate muslim that will get yall mad, people say muslims hating us they are terrorists to our country’s, the girls wear some kind of towel thing their heads, i just feel like grabbing it off their heads and lots of more mean words to muslims then you say why are they being bad i mean i even seen on google if you just type terrorist the first thing is muslims people wrapped in something that covers all their face you know what i think you guys are being bully’s making pictures, videos, and comments about how much you hate muslims deal with it because were not going anywhere soon.
i even seen Obama picture wrapped in muslim clothes because he didn’t said what you americans think he would say so suddenly Obama is a muslim dont you guys get tired and keep your comments to yourself instead of spreading everywhere because muslims dont care because they living their life and you guys wasting your time thinking they give a damn THEY ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE
now this is the truth be honest guys dont be a jerk just because your on the internet dont mean you should say what everyone else thik thats true i mean the user faida spoke the truth not all muslims americans there are muslims everywhere and dont hate them because they dont believe i n what you believe in
maybe thar could be the reason but still we dont know wat caused it maybe this will go on till forever but you cant hate all muslims theres good and bad people
Well i personally think they would stop hating america if the US government stopped commiting gross acts of terrorism against countries predominantly populated by muslims. Also supporting ISreals slow and steady genocide of the palestian people doesnt help either.
No... It is not if Muslims stop hating west. It's different that they aren't the only one's with issues. It's about how the Muslims and the Americans stop hating each other for Lord's sake! Lets pen down an answer to when and why did Muslim terrorism begin? Is the problem with the bible? Is it with Koran? What? Is it with the laws in Koran? The freedom in Bible? Why would you hate each other? What is the possible reason? You wont stop hating each other unless you bring your initial issues down.. So do it..
Why should we respect them when they, without a doubt, show almost no respect towards us. You gain respect by giving respect back....and their usual "it is because I am a muslim" is getting really old and incorrect....remove political correctness and I am sure that the show of respect will be on a more equal level. This goes for all the muslim world, not just those in the Middle East.
No respect towards you? what about the crusades when our general sent Richard the first, fruits and a personal doctor when he was sick. You seem to put all Muslims in a box when you ignore the fact that the majority of Muslims are against war, extremism and the Taliban.
Just whatever happened to your strange little American thing called 'Freedom of Speech' or, 'Freedom of the Press'? I would be the first person to pronounce a name correctly, whatever the language (i.e. Volf-gank for Wolfgang, 'Lood-vish' for Lidwig, 'EE-rahn' for Iran, etc.) However, I must think this: If you Americans so greatly care about your constitutional rights to say whatever is on your mind (which I happen to know as a fact you said about G.W. Bush), than what does it matter if you say the exact same things about the Muslims. What about the Israelis? What would you say about them? Or the British, for that matter, just what would you say about me and my fellow Canadians (NOT the Quebecois)? Most of what you would say are insults - so why hold your tongue when talking about Muslims but not when talking about the rest of the world?
Uhhhh... this isn't an issue of "Freedom of press," the Gov't isn't forcing people to properly/improperly pronounce names, this is a matter of personal methods of pronunciation.
As for insulting them, it's just like any social situation. If there's someone you don't want to offend (for whatever reason), you don't insult them.
Lets show respect to the people who killed 3,000 americans on 9/11 or have you all forgotten. Show some respect for the dead before the freaking muslims.
Again you seem to blame terrorists who claimed to be Muslims when the majority of Muslims are against Osama bin laden and the Taliban. And you put muslims in one box labeled: murderers.
We should speak right, but do we honestly care if they hate us? Ramming a building with a plane is a different matter, but I don't give a damn if someone simply hates me.
They stopped being muslim. Hate comes from within. If you don't take responsibility for your own emotions then you will just continue to find outside sources to blame them on forever.
Others can't bring out in you what isn't already there =/
Individual Rights? Hmmmmm.. And America? Okay.. Guess that's only until your walking inside America.. After that.. It's only what America thinks.. And they will find an influencing way to get things done.