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Meat is murder.
The moral point: Every animal, caught to be turned into food, runs for it's life if it is given the oppurtunity. It expresses agony, pain and emotions that are irrefutably similar to humans. Anyone who thinks animals are vegetables, should immediately be beheaded.
The logical point: If you say plants have life too, I'd say yes, we kill plants too. But we ourselves will not survive if we don't kill plants. Every human in this world takes in plants. We kill mosquitoes, bugs, bacterias, fungi, rodents and blah. We kill humans too in cases of self defense - all of this for our own survival and security. Do we need to kill innocent animals for our survival? NO WE DON'T. If we really needed animals for our survival, we would ALL be eating meat.
All life is one. We all bleed red. Would you eat your pet, Rover. If you saw what goes on to get the meat you buy packaged and in the store, we would all be vegetarians. We are supposed to be above the animals who eat each other.
False dichotomy. You don't have to like murder to eat meat.
You do realise that eating meat is nothing special. Every omnivore and carnivore in the animal kingdom does it. Are you gonna tell the lions to stop eating zebras and have a tofu cube instead?
"Intestinal tract length. Carnivorous animals have intestinal tracts that are 3-6x their body length, while herbivores have intestinal tracts 10-12x their body length. Human beings have the same intestinal tract ratio as herbivores.
Stomach acidity. Carnivores’ stomachs are 20x more acidic than the stomachs of herbivores. Human stomach acidity matches that of herbivores.
Saliva. The saliva of carnivores is acidic. The saliva of herbivores is alkaline, which helps pre-digest plant foods. Human saliva is alkaline.
Shape of intestines. Carnivore bowels are smooth, shaped like a pipe, so meat passes through quickly — they don’t have bumps or pockets. Herbivore bowels are bumpy and pouch-like with lots of pockets, like a windy mountain road, so plant foods pass through slowly for optimal nutrient absorption. Human bowels have the same characteristics as those of herbivores.
Fiber. Carnivores don’t require fiber to help move food through their short and smooth digestive tracts. Herbivores require dietary fiber to move food through their long and bumpy digestive tracts, to prevent the bowels from becoming clogged with rotting food. Humans have the same requirement as herbivores.
Cholesterol. Cholesterol is not a problem for a carnivore’s digestive system. A carnivore such as a cat can handle a high-cholesterol diet without negative health consequences. A human cannot. Humans have zero dietary need for cholesterol because our bodies manufacture all we need. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods, never in plant foods. A plant-based diet is by definition cholesterol-free.
Claws and teeth. Carnivores have claws, sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, and no flat molars for chewing. Herbivores have no claws or sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, but they have flat molars for chewing. Humans have the same characteristics as herbivores.
But aren’t humans anatomically suited to be omnivores?
Nope. We don’t anatomically match up with omnivorous animals anymore than we do with carnivorous ones. Omnivores are more similar to carnivores than they are to herbivores. For a more detailed summary table that compares the properties of carnivores, herbivores, and omnivores side by side, see this page:
Comparative Anatomy & Taxonomy
The link above also debunks the opportunistic feeder theory, which states that because humans can eat like omnivores, that we must therefore be omnivores. And this is of course false because mere behavior doesn’t indicate suitability. There are plenty of things we can do as a species that would threaten our survival if we all considered them suitable default behavior, such as shooting each other, lobbing hand grenades, or sending spam."
Simply because our bodies are designed to be able to consume meat does not mean that we are perfectly adapted to it, in order to have and system be multifunctional inevitably requires compromise between the two. The fact that the human digestive system is more optimized for plant matter means that the ratio of meat to plant matter that is consumed is tipped in favour of the latter, but does not mean that the former is not meant to be ingested. In the early days of man meat was hard to come by, but was desired, while meanwhile fruits and vegetables and grains were much more plentiful and easier to acquire so the digestive tract developed to accomadate meat while still being suited to plant matter. Your entire argument hinges on all omnivores preferring meat but most omnivores in fact prefer plant matter, but bolster this with meat
Simply because our bodies are designed to be able to consume meat
They are not. Learn how to read.
does not mean that we are perfectly adapted to it
We are not. Why are you disputing me?
in order to have and system be multifunctional inevitably requires compromise between the two
Are you talking about between meat and plant matter? In which case you are 100% wrong. Vegans/vegetarians are on average much healthier than their meat-eating counterparts.
The fact that the human digestive system is more optimized for plant matter means that the ratio of meat to plant matter that is consumed is tipped in favour of the latter
No, it was evolved for plant matter exclusively. None of our ancestors ate meat, thus, there was no biological necessity for eating meat, which renders your statement false.
does not mean that the former is not meant to be ingested.
That's exactly what it means.
but was desired
Meat is an addiction. Just like cocaine. People crave both: that doesn't make consumption of them healthy or natural.
while meanwhile fruits and vegetables and grains were much more plentiful and easier to acquire so the digestive tract developed to accomadate meat while still being suited to plant matter.
It's somewhat clear to me now that you don't understand how evolution works. You don't transition from herbivore to carnivore as a species in 20,000 years.
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Our digestive track isn't meant for meat. How did you get that idea?
Your entire argument hinges on all omnivores preferring meat but most omnivores in fact prefer plant matter, but bolster this with meat
I'm not even talking about omnivores. I'm talking about what makes humans herbivores.
The moral point: Every animal, caught to be turned into food, runs for it's life if it is given the oppurtunity. It expresses agony, pain and emotions that are irrefutably similar to humans. Anyone who thinks animals are vegetables, should immediately be beheaded.
Jellyfish do not process pain. They're a big bag of nerves. And they're an animal. Most insects and many invertebrate also do not feel pain. And not all animals run for their life either.
The logical point: If you say plants have life too, I'd say yes, we kill plants too. But we ourselves will not survive if we don't kill plants.
The same argument could be said for animals. Unless you're an intellectual human who does research to replace supplements provided by meats, then you'll probably die off early.
Every human in this world takes in plants. We kill mosquitoes, bugs, bacterias, fungi, rodents and blah.
None of those that you just listed are plants at all. Mosquitoes, bugs and rodents are animals. Bacteria and Fungi are their own classification.
We kill humans too in cases of self defense - all of this for our own survival and security. Do we need to kill innocent animals for our survival? NO WE DON'T. If we really needed animals for our survival, we would ALL be eating meat.
We all did at one point.
Why not let them LIVE, then?
You do realize, we're animals too, right? If given the chance, carnivores will hunt and kill us too, we're food. Hell, humans can eat humans as food, we as humans find it absolutely disturbing and disgusting, but it nevertheless can be done because we are a source of meat; we are food too. Animals kill other animals, should you tell them to stop too? Why not force every carnivore or omnivore to only be a herbivore, since animals in the wild are murdering other animals too? They're making those poor, innocent animals suffer as well. Some are just easy prey, some animals play with their food, making that animal suffer a long, painful death. Should we punish them and force them to only eat plants?
Dog eat dog world. We're doing what we do, other animals do what they do.
OBVIOUSLY, I do not encourage those who kill our food to make the animals suffer, because I am very empathetic to animals and pain. In fact, I get more upset about an animal suffering than a human. But at least I'm still realistic about the vicious animal world.
Just because you are eating the meat doesn't mean that you killed the animal. If, for example, you found a dead turkey by the side of the road ( I don't know why you would eat some random dead turkey, but maybe it was fresh) and ate it, would you of killed that animal? No, because it was already dead. Also, what if the animal was going to die anyways? Or what if the animal was hurt and you were putting it out of it's misery? You can't say eating meat is murdering animals, because the two are very different.
Also, giving Yes, it is. vs. No/I like being a murderer is very immature. You're saying everyone who isn't a vegan is a murderer. What if a vegetarian is eating at someone else's house. The person that's house they are at spends hours and lots of money into making a beautiful dish for them. If it had meat in it, would you not eat it and make them make you something else? Is ti just me, or would that be kind of rude?
Or what if the animal was hurt and you were putting it out of it's misery? You can't say eating meat is murdering animals, because the two are very different.
That's a very funny reply. Please go to a slaughterhouse and see for yourself what happens inside.
Veggies are healthy, and I love salad. But for 10000+ years, we had been hunter-gatherers. I think that is a personal decision, and I could never give up meat, since I am a fatass.
