Women are not equal to men; their representation in government, economic institutions, and social institutions (as leaders) are not prominent given their numerical parity with their opposite gender.

Women are underpaid, overworked, and are rarely in positions of power and authority. This, though changing, still leaves them at a disadvantage to men.

The reason for this; though, is not any biological differences (by all accounts women are actually stronger and healthier than men). The difference is accounted for in the women's perceptions of themselves, what they feel their place is, their unwillingness to engage in economic, social, or even violent conflict. This stems from social indoctrination, familial indoctrination, and their own inability to break free from these influences and knock down the structures that oppress them.

If women are going to become equal to men they are first going to have to become as ruthless, cutthroat, strong, courageous, and aggressive as men. Women are going to have to show themselves to be the strong creatures that they are; women are going to have to take their rightful place as masters of their own destiny, by any means necessary.

Women can't be victims anymore; they must train themselves to fight, they must teach their daughters to fight (not just with Karate classes but showing them to stand up for themselves in a number of ways). Every woman should know how to defend herself; legally, physically, economically, socially; they must make men know they cannot be taken advantage of.

Every culture, every nation, every class, every religion, every ethnicity, each gender; sexuality; the only way they achieved equality, dominion, freedom, and security is through their ability to defend themselves and maintain their status as free and independent beings. If women are to break free of their chains they must do so in kind.

Men and woman aren't equal and never will be. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have equal rights under the law. At the moment they have an equal opportunity (to be politicians/lawyers/doctors/house wives) and they, if motivated, can and wlll do anything a man does.

The question must therefore be, if they have (basically) the same potential as men in the work place, why then are the discrepencies still so large in terms of percentage? I think it comes down to too factors. First, many women are culturally predisposed to different occupations (nurse, secretary, so on) and will train for those jobs with less anxiety as if they were (say) wanting to become a lumberjack. Another factor is biology. Humans have evolved such that men did the hunting and women the child rearing and "gathering". This has effected men in a number of ways, from sense of humor, to upper strength, to male voice depth, pain tollerance, mental directness, and more. Similarily, it has made (most) women smaller, less cardio-efficient (hemoglobins), more meticulous and creative (including the apparent ability to think more abstractly about spatial language), and much more sensitive. These are all very actual traits that manifest in a macro scale and divide men and women. It is not possible that these traits haven't predisposed men and women to certain careers (or lack thereof) that makes "gender engenderment" much less offences. So, with these two factors in mind, the descrepencies in the workplace are much less important with the knowledge that a 50/50 male/female doctor ratio is probably unnatural (at least) and a false equality. We should anticipate the differences in stead of trying artificially deflate them.

Women are not exactly treated the same in todays soicety. Though i must admit, it is alot better then the earlier days though. there are still some jobs that women get a less pay rate as men. this also happens in car shops, i.e. mechanics give women a dearer price to fix their car as they believe that women are stupid in the knowledge of cars etc.

therefore making no, women are not treated equally.

the same goes for men. you dont see men hairdressers very often or men cosmetic people do you. goes both ways here...

I say that men and women are not equal because it is not about equality in the first place. What we, as humans, do not realize is that men have their roles, and women have their roles in society. Is one persons' role greater than the others? I would wager to say no. Men tend not to be nurturing beings. Nonetheless, does that make them the lesser of the two sexes? Women tend to be the weaker (physically) of the two sexes. Yet again, are they any less of a people than men are? I think that men and women's roles should be saved for a different debate. Then the argument must be made as to what standard is used to measure equality. I say all of this to say that men and women are not equal, because their roles are different, not because one sex is better or worse than the other. Much respect!

A recent Supreme Court ruling shows that women in the United States are treated unfairly on the basis of pay. If a woman wishes to file Title XII on the basis of not being paid the same as a man in the same position, she must do so within 180 days of the beginning of her employment with that particular employer. In other words, you only have six months and then you can't do a thing about it. Apparently, you have to investigate your company for unfair wage practices the moment you start working for them. The Republicans overwhelmingly did nothing about it, McCain going so far as to say that it would create 'unnecessary' lawsuits. So, Mr. McCain, wanting equal pay is 'unnecessary'?

'...a Title VII complaint must be filed within 180 days of the specific action that sets discriminatory pay, regardless of its ongoing and continuing discriminatory impact on the employee.' - from www.now.org

It's all a function of geography. In North America, and for the most part in South America, Europe and Oceania and a few scattered places in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, women are equal.

They are not equal everywhere, so woman are not treated equally yet.

Please note that equality does not mean sameness. Looking at wage statistics doesn't make sense when we're biologically different. It's quite possible to be different, but be morally equivalent, and that is the case.

Different chromosomes mean different tendencies. For example, there was a lot of concern about the lack of women in technical fields in the 70's. When all the data came back in, girls were not "deficient" in mathematics, it turned out they all just went into medicine, or non-technical fields as a choice.

Not equal mentally and biologically... i know this. main reason why they do different shit in modern society. if you look at the animal kingdom, most animals set up certain roles for the male and female, and we've been like that for probably thousands of years.

i have no problem with women being treated the same as men... i really couldn't give a shit. but it's not like it's a big deal if more men hold power than women... that's actually natural (nature wise). now, if you're one of those people who believe "God made us equal" well, then you have a point that really can't be rebuttled (since others don't believe in moral authority).

I don't think that men and women are equal at all. Women are far superior to men. Especially in debating. I don't think one man could outlast a woman in a debate. Lol. [-:0

In my world there are no men and women. There are humans, no sexism, just people. All humans should be regarded as equal. Beyond differences of physical capabilities or reproductive assignment. To say that men should act a certain way and women should be doing certain things just isn't valid anymore. I was fortunate enough to grow up in a genderless house meaning simply this, we all worked together. It didn't matter who did the dishes, my brother and I both did them. Some nights Mom cooked dinner and some nights Dad cooked dinner or Mom cut the lawn and Dad did gardening. Whatever needed done, it got done and it didn't matter who did it. There were no defined roles of who should be doing what. To my parents, I thank you for that. I have transferred that way of living into my daily life were my partner and I share responsibilities equally and we accomplish them together. I have encountered a lot of sexism, outside, at school, through jobs, on the internet and it's just not acceptable or even correct! I'm not a feminist because I say these things, I'm a humanist. For one to say men have it easier than women, just simply isn't true. For every one thing a man is criticized for or worries about there is one for women too. To say all men are like this and all women are like that is also false. Everyone is unique and has there own way of living. To be sexist is to be critical and frankly I think we should stop that and work together.

No they aren't. Who pays for the dates? Men. Who pushes the carts at the supermarket? Boys and men. Who fight the wars? Boys and men. Who loses every child custody battle in court? Men. Who is demonized by the left? Men. And if you are a white man, oh god... if you're a Christian white man find a bunker.

People aren't born equal. Either you have money, you're poor, or you're middle class. I am stuck in the latter.

Average IQ scores for both genders are equal, though men's high scores are higher, and their lower scores are lower.

I think the fact that men compete for mates is conducive to the development of greater rates of mutation in males. This would mean more agile and efficient evolution for humanity-- and despite the popular soundbyte that it has halted in humans, it is still happening.

This Debate is getting too emotional,a debate should be a two sided chain of rational thoughts that lead to a conclusion(or not)

I personally think that women have the same capacity as men but because of how society has evolved(generally of course) trough out the world women do not currently have the same power.It is getting better however and will only be better in the future unless off course society returns to its primitive roots.

Nothing is ever equal anywhere. It balances out though. Example, here in Vegas the average female high school drop-out can make more than me, a highly educated drop out (joke, I graduated college.) They just need a boob job and know how to smile. I'd love to make 100k a year working 3 days a week in a club, not gonna happen for me. I'm not very pretty and have no idea where to begin with the make-up and girdles.

I know I know, that's sexist. Whatever. I think it's sexist I can't get hired for cocktails. What do you think of that? You know what they'll say, "we only hire girls for that position." Now walk onto a construction site ladies. Bet they won't say, "we only hire guys for that position." No, 'cause you'll cry and no one wants to see that.

I'm not saying it's easy for a girl to become CEO. It's not easy for me either though. My point is it's not equal, but it balances out.

argue for or against the that says EDUCATION IS better THAN MONEY

The truth is that if ladies are not educated they don't always end up well

I think the title of this argument is misleading. Women are not treated the same as men, nor should they be. What it ought to say is "Are women and men treated equally?" Two people can be treated equally without being treated the same and it's often better that way. As an example, men don't need maternity leave from work, so they don't get it. Women do need it, but if they were treated the same as men they wouldn't get it.

With that being said, I understand that this argument is about equality even if it isn't in the title. Women are most certainly not treated equally. The best reports say that women earn seventy-nine cents to every dollar a man makes. The Bush administration continues to make it difficult for women to get access to birth control and abortion. And if you're a woman in the armed services, your chances are one in three that you will be sexually harassed or raped by your male colleagues. I don't know how anyone can acknowledge these facts and think that women are treated equally in our society. I also don't know how a white man can feel comfortable lamenting the lack of an organization to protect the rights of white men, (other than white supremacists, of course).

Men and Women are not equal in the simple fact that men are physically stronger than women there is one reason and there is a list where women beat men and men beat women. There are more men in the government, more male doctors, more male police officers. Women can reproduce =\

Like my mother always said, "Women are not the same as men...we have babies for goodness sake. Now i'd love to see a man do that."

how can anyone say what roles are superior in todays society. one without the other would just not work. yes its true that men and women (in majority) fall into different roles in life, society and the workplace but who's to say for example; a nurse is any less important than a doctor. if nurses didn't do the job they did, it would not enable the doctors to further the process of treatment. we each play a vital role in society, which role is first or last in the process is irrelevant, the world would not work as well as it does without both sexes.

on the other hand; we have been divided in our roles since the start of mankind, the male was the hunter protector, the woman was the maternal caring creative one, males have had it bred into them from the start that they are the only strong hard working providers in the equation, and woman have had it bred into them that they are the weak maternal passive ones who need protecting but the sheer fact women are now actively changing that internal conclusion and seeking to become more shows that women are striving to evolve and are trying to break free from the natural bonds holding them to traditional roles. we therefore must be appreciated for being stronger willed and more intelligent than males perceive, as to fight the internal pull towards our primitive roles takes alot of self driven effort and thought. and for us to try to take on roles that we are not accustomed to and still strive to be the best we can be within them then we must have the upper hand in a way as males have not yet had to evolve from the primitive thinking that the are the strong workers who will fight to protect and be the best, the only thing that has changed so far is the times we live in, men have since the beginning of time gone out to work women have not, but now as i said the times have changed and we are also providing and learning and becoming stronger. Competition and agression and the strength to work is natural to men. just as the maternal instict is natural to us women but the differnce is; women have taught themselves to want more than just housewife and mother. we have broken the thousands of years of these roles being all we know and we have made ourselves now expect and want more from ourselves, life and each other. we have the maternal caring sides yet we now possess the want for strength success, self reliance and status, but naturally until men evolve and accept we could actually share the roles they have then we will never win the dominance war. we do the best in the roles we can claim for ourselves. its through pure strength we have got this far. until we can detach ourselves of the want to bear children or more importantly the bond we have with our children and families, and the arrogance and stubbornness (actually no, the opposite biological primitive pull men have towards being the sole provider) then we can never fully break free from the expectation of us being the weak maternal and emotional sex in the equation and therefor men will always feel dominant in their roles and will defend themselves from anyone that questions it. but remember this; we thought outside of the box and of ourselves and wanted more and got it... just think what the future holds

I don't think we're equal in society....I mean, it DOES even out overall, but the way we treat each other just shows that we love to treat each other like crap to show that we're at a bigger disadvantage. Technically, we're equal (definition being "balanced"), but apparently nobody's happy with all the little imbalances that make up the large balance. Women are often abused, but men can also be judged as guilty of abuse just as a result of the woman's word with no trial. I know that'll be debated as to whether that makes us "equal" or not, but it's just an example. There's a counter to everything.

Women should be treated equal to men. now lets ask our selves this question; (if you disagree) why shouldn't they be treated equal? Lets think of a scientist for example, what is the first thing you think of, a man in a white lab coat with circle glasses and a clip board. why don't you think of a women? Simple. They are mis treated. Speaking of science, science proves that women put in a leadership role they do significantly better than men do. AND STILL people don't do a think a bit about it. with the economy this low, putting a women in charge would be a smart move, right? Even women who do achieve a high role they are still payed 100 US dollars less. Pathetic, right? Stand up for your selves woman, we are strong and powerful lets take charge!!!! Now you might say who I am to do anything, well I am here to tell you that who are you not to! so lets make a difference!!!!!!!! Please there are thousands of little girls around the world who will never have there dreams come true because of this, maybe even me, so come on. Have a heart. You can change that. Please.

-Ishani, age 11

womens are not paid properly for the same work what men do,they are not treated properly in some places and they are not treated properly in some families when their ill,they have to send them for work.Even women can do what men do.women are very important in life in different ways,i.e they cook,wash ,take care,some go for work.

So many valid points on both sides of the fence, in my opinion was married for 17 years to a woman that has been very observant of the differences that men and women get treated in society. Not only has she been very observant she has become a master at manipulating every small crack that was initially there to help people. Unfortunately she isn't the only one that has watched and learned how to...work...the system so to speak. Our system has made it very easy for women to take advantage of whole dictionary of loopholes that condemn a man before he can even say a word...women aren't as naive or non knowing how the world works at this point. It is beneficial for men now a days to have a very tall wall to look over when it comes to woman vs. man. If there is even the smallest fracture in that wall you can bank that a woman will slither into that crack and wait like a cat waiting for a mouse to peak it's cautious head out of its hole. The man will always end up on the losing end of the stick. The movement was created to help women and men, unfortunately it has been compromised and manipulated and such ruined for those that would honor and appreciate the movement. Sad but true in my opinion, there is always hope tho. I am still in hopes to see equal rights in my lifetime but will surely die disappointed. Bend over men and quit fighting it, we are screwed no matter what we do. At work we are finger prints and numbers, at home we are a pool boy or a phone call away from our lives changing. For all of you women that actually are a truly good person, I am sorry that so many out there have ruined an honest effort for your equality. There is alot to the sayings: the woman wears the pants in the family...happy wife happy life...have to check with the boss...instead of using the effort to work for women too many have used it against men...the effort has become a weapon ;(

No They r NOT at all treated equally !! Women aren't given at least 10% of the rights men get . People judge women when they work as engineers , doctors etc ,but why aren't men Judged !!!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?..MEN ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE DISCRIMINATED THAN WOMEN.THERE ARE 100S OF ORGANISATIONS TO PROTECT WOMEN BUT NONE FOR MEN.THERE TOOK PLACE AN INCIDENT IN WHICH AN EIGTH GRADER STRIPPED A FIFTH GRADER AND POSTED IT ON INSTRAGRAM.THE POLICE LABELLED IT AS A" HARMFUL PRANK".JUST IMAGINE IF THIS HAD HAPPENED THE OTHER WAY AROUND

of course they aren't equal WOMEN in the western world are so INCREDIBLY PRIVILIDGED having superior rights to men!!!!

Whereas women in the third world are oppressed there's no place on the planet where the human genders are equal nor is there going to be anytime soon women in the western world are achieving a supremacy whereas women in the third world are suffering against one.

A supremacy here doesn't make up for an oppression there get your head out of your aes women!!

of course they aren't equal WOMEN in the western world are so INCREDIBLY PRIVILIDGED having superior rights to men!!!!

Whereas women in the third world are oppressed there's no place on the planet where the human genders are equal nor is there going to be anytime soon women in the western world are achieving a supremacy whereas women in the third world are suffering against one.

A supremacy here doesn't make up for an oppression there get your head out of your aes women!!

I don't think there's any place in the world where women and men are equal. Not even in the discrimination aspect now. It's hard to admit but men are naturally stronger than women. But I can only find that honestly. The rest on the women part lies in the rights they have, how equally their paid and other factors.

So they're not equal. They're not even meant to be. And even though women try to eliminate this barrier, it will still remain.

P.S. not being discriminatory..looking at this from a logical angle.

Women's inferiority is clearly illustrated by the fact that they cannot urinate out the back window of a speeding vehicle.

A women will surely get married...even if she isn't doing a job, however a boy if not working, he would never get married, and also he wont be respected.

There is not that much pressure on girls that boys feel, during there career, because, a girl knows that he'll surely get married.

A boy faces more challenges and more pressure than girls...but he hides it, and makes other feel that he isn't taking a single tension, he has to do it because he can't ever feel his relatives, or girlfriend he is of no use, because she will leave him, he does everything to just get love in return from his gf, nothing else.

As a boy becomes a teenager, he starts feeling less loved, more ignored, however, a girl owns more attention, more love. The boy if not exceptional can't have his love. If a boy cant find love till age 25 , u can't imagine how hungry he would be of being loved, but he stills keeps himself calm, and confident, because he knows that confidence is something which can give him a love. He knows no she will never come on her own , to get him out of this pain. Every 8 out of 10 men are suffering from this. Try to make a boy love you which is much lower than your level, and get ignored by him, remembering his birthday, every important date, give him roses, propose him laying on ur knees, spend for him, get him for dinner, and sacrifice everything just for his love, run behind him. A girl will not do these things, Ohhh her ego comes into picture, but a boy never has that ego. He can do everything just for love. CAN YOU? Please respect boys, because u can't ever be equal to them, u never have to sacrifice that much.

Nope.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hazine/WAC.html

http://www.care.org/newsroom/specialreports/women/womens_facts.asp

As long as women are sometimes blamed for being raped, as long as abortions are not always safe and legal, as long as there is a soul-crushing amount of pressure on women to be flawlessly beautiful, as long as women are beaten and traded as property in other countries, as long as women are disproportionately represented in movies, books, and television shows, as long as women are denied promotions and positions they deserve, and as long as little girls are brought up to believe their body is the most important thing about them.

"Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud."

-Rush Limbaugh

"I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."

-Ann Coulter

"Sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for virtuous women."

-Phyllis Schafly

Equality between genders will never happen.

Although I am a strong believer in equality, I believe that whilst we still have emotions, women will never be fully equal. Females have children and want to stay with their children and this is a mutual agreement in most relationships. This however leads to the "lack of employment" at the upper end of the scale. You will usually find women who have put their personal lives aside to do this and they will always be at the top of the food chain.

Females possess many aspiring qualities which men do not have, but the ability not to take maternity leave really does put them on an uneven ground. Add this onto the extra sick leave taken for their children, and you have an employee headed fo the tip.

The simple fact is that you cannot be working 4 days a week for a company and expect to get anywhere.

You will also find that men are acred of hurting womens feeling and are scared of relaxing and telling the occasional (in jest of course) joke which the woman may find offensive. This adds tension in the workplace, of which many of the younger staff will drop out because of this.

The feminist movement is a waste of time in the long run, until women have little fotesus which they can store their baby in and have no emotional connection to such child, men wil always reign supreme in the workplace.

Men were built to pound women and women were built to take the pounding. And when the man rolls off and falls asleep, the woman is still capable of some more pounding. It's all about this evolutionary thing.

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MEN WILL ALWAYS BE SUPERIOR!!!!!!!!!!