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Debate Score:12
Arguments:8
Total Votes:12
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Messages attributed to god(s) indeed do originate from (a) conscious being(s).

I was thinking that atheists and theists should be able to agree that this statement is true.

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Of course they do something unconscious couldn't send complicated religious messages. Even if it could it would have to be translated by a conscious being and in that case its still true because this one conscious being is telling every other conscious being, the message is still originating from a conscious being.

Side: true
2 points

Literally speaking, yes.

Even if it is simply a delusion or misunderstanding, it still originated with the person having the delusion or misunderstanding.

Side: true
2 points

Yeah, when the guys who wrote the Bible were tripping balls, their own brains created those messages.

Side: true
2 points

Yes but it is circular reasoning. A message is something that a conscious being sends. Therefore, if I receive a message a conscious being must have created it. A message is information. If a 'message' comes from a non-concious being then it is not a message but rather some information we have gathered from something.

Side: true
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I don't believe that the universe is conscious so, I disagree.

Side: false
atypican(4875) Disputed
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The debate has nothing to do with whether you think any supposed universes are conscious. Do you know of any universes that send messages? I don't.

I think: "only conscious agents can send messages." Do you disagree with that?

Side: true
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
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The question asked "do I believe messages attributed to God originate from a conscious being" So I asked myself.... what are these messages attributed to god? A burnt waffle with Jesus' face on it? Clouds forming the shape of an eye? A lucky coincidence where a robber is stopped and their victim is saved?

These, if they are the signs you speak of, are actually things that happen naturally in our universe, or so I believe. Therefore these signs attributed to God, actually originate from our universe. Bringing me back to the question, do I believe the messages attributed to God originate from a conscious being. Seeing as they originate from the universe, that I do not believe to be conscious my answer is no.

Side: false

Hmm... I remember learning about how in the old days, people would say lightning was a message from the god Zeus. Now does lightning come from a conscious being? No.

Side: false