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Middle East Readies for Sunni-Shiite war

Sunni and Shiite Muslims have been at each other’s throats since Muhammad died in the year 632 AD.  85 to 90% of the world’s Muslims are Sunni.  But radical Shiites run Iran, a nation that has grown significantly more powerful since the nuclear deal
 
One rarely discussed side-effect of the Iran nuclear deal has been an exacerbation of the volatile relationship between Sunnis and Shiites.  After the agreement, both factions ratcheted up the belligerence.  Sunni-led Saudi Arabia did everything it could to crash world oil prices just as Iran prepared to re-enter the global market again after years of sanctions.  Saudis and Iranians have been fighting through proxies in several countries, including Syria, and have fought directly in Yemen.  
 
Tensions rose to a whole new level late last week when Saudi Arabia executed Nimr Baqr al-Nimr a Shiite cleric, along with 47 other prisoners.  After Iranian protesters attacked the Saudi embassy in Tehran, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic relations with Iran.  The Saudis also suspended airline flights between the two nations.
 
The conflict then spilled over to other countries.   Russia and China, both of whom are allies of Iran, have entered the fray offering their services as peacemakers.
 
There’s no clear cut “good guy” in this fight.  Iran seems willing to blow the world into chaos believing it will bring back their Muslim messiah, the “Mahdi.”  They promise to wipe Israel from the earth.  They fund terrorism.  They have a history of providing a safe haven for terrorists.  They love to shout “Death to America.” And, yes, they are still developing nuclear weapons, and the intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICMBs) to carry them.
 
On the other side, Saudi Arabia’s whole existence is based on a movement within Sunni Islam called “Wahhabism.”  It was named after an eighteenth century Sunni preacher named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab.  He preached a severe, fundamentalist form of Islam, urging practitioners of the religion to get back to its basic tenets.
 
In 1744, al-Wahhab converted Muhammad bin Saud, founder of the Saud dynasty and the first Saudi State.  The Sauds were later defeated by the Ottomans, but the Saud dynasty did not go away, and remained a power in the region.  Modern Saudi Arabia was founded in 1932.
 
Wahhabism remains the basis of the laws and governing philosophy of the nation.  That’s why Saudi punishments include beheading, stoning, amputation and lashing, often in public.  It is a place where rape victims can be treated worse than their attackers. 

      At one time, the U.S. probably could have talked Riyadh out of executing the Shiite cleric.  But the Iran nuclear deal changed that.  Saudi Arabia no longer trusts the United
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Cuaroc(8829) Banned
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If you have the right to exist outside of Hell, why are you not burning in it now?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed Banned
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It's a privilege, not a right. For me, a forgiven; pardoned sinner, the privilege is eternal. For those who are lost, unforgiven, unrepentant sinners, the privilege is temporary. Can't you answer your own questions?

Cuaroc(8829) Banned
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Where do you get this garbage, and why do you believe it? Oh yeah, you can't believe Jesus because according to His word you are on your way to Hell and you can't handle the truth.

jolie(9810) Banned
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Those little Shiites!

jolie(9810) Banned
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“Wahhabism?”

Are you sure it's not "wasabiism?" I love that stuff on my sushi.

jolie(9810) Banned
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I have a sister named, "Mahdi" except she spells it "Madi." Is that who they are waiting for?

jolie(9810) Banned
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Wait..., isn't this whole thing in the book of revelations?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed Banned
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I have never read the book of revelations. I have read The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ many times. The Book is about Jesus revealed in His glory and the finalization of the redemption of His creation when all sin and sinners will forever be separated from the living in the Lake of Fire where the smoke of their torments rising forever will be the only reminder of them.

Muslims fighting against Muslims was foretold after Abraham's first son, Ishmael was born. God said Ishmael's descendants would always be fighting. Muhammed brought nothing new to the picture, just more of the same.

How old are you? 12?

Atrag(5666) Disputed Banned
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I have never read the book of revelations.

Saying you haven't read any part of God's word is pretty disgraceful to be honest. Maybe you are spending a bit too much time telling everyone what a great Christian you are and not enough time reading the word of God? It is all academic though really.. if someone truly loved God then they would want to read and study the Bible. I guess you arent a true Christian. Quick question... are you Catholic?

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Hi, jolie here,your mama didn't ask me if I was 12 when I did her last night ;)