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Moderates are no different from fundamentalists/extremists.

(This is not meant to inflame. I'm interested in refutations to this idea)

I posit that the only fundamental difference between moderates and fundamentalists and extremists is the specific ideas within their ideology that they accept or reject, which affect and condition their rationale, and, in turn, their actions.

By that same reasoning, a moderate is a potential extremist, if exposed long enough to a smart enough preacher, since the basic common premises are already accepted by the moderate.

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Moderates are the OPPOSITE of Extremists. It's in their NAMES. Moderate Moderates, Extreme Extremists.

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Skaruts(195) Disputed
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The names merely specify the difference in their actions, as I mentioned. Moderates may not draw swords, but they still populate the same figurative ship of those who do, and are just as unwilling to betray it.

That doesn't sound like opposites, but as variations of the same thing, like points in the same scale.

The amount of discrepancy in that variation seems largely up to subjective interpretation, and depending on where in the scale you are, the change in perspective may be significant. Moderates don't all share the same point in that scale. They do not all agree on what is and isn't extreme.

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Moderates merely are open to hearing all sides and then making a good decision. There are times as a moderate I agree with the tight budget controls of ultraconservatives and there are times I agree with the social program spending of the ultraliberals. Spending should vary from year to year, program to program, budget to budget, not simply be all in or all out. Furthermore moderates do not turn to any ideology in making their decision whereas on the far right and left there is practically a script for what they believe and why.

Moderates are absolutely different from fundamentalists/extremists.

Furthermore, I submit the observation that moderates are pretty much universally rejected by the extremists on either sides of the political spectrum, so if the extremists themselves don't want to claim us then that's very strong evidence moderates are quite different. It has long amazed me that they don't instead see us as an opportunity to boost their position by winning over the middle road public. But frankly the extremists could care less about persuading us or getting our support. We get ridiculed for being anything short of 100% on the extremists sides on all issues.

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Skaruts(195) Disputed
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Yes moderate do tend to be more open minded, but not necessarily, and maybe not even that often. At least regarding topics for which they are ideologically or emotionally attached to, in which case they will often resort to their favored ideologies and/or emotions for decision making (I am referring to not only politics, but also every other type of ideologies).

However, you didn't give an unambiguous reason to accept that moderates and extremists are absolutely different. Simple disagreement and segregation doesn't make people different, just makes them potential opponents regarding a specific subject, and only for the time being.

More often than not, the more noticeable opponents are not fundamentally different (compare the far left and the far right, or any two opposing middle eastern extremist groups).

It still seems to me that moderates and extremists of a given ideology, are merely points in the same scale that do not seem to come close - but are not set in stone.

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Grenache(6058) Clarified
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All of politics is a sliding scale from one extreme to the other extreme. Moderates fall somewhere in the middle of the scale depending on topic. Now it's true some are further to one side of the scale than the other. But that doesn't make them cease to be moderates. By your definition there literally could not be a moderate, it would be on a 100 point scale if you're 1-50 you have to be conservative and if you're 51-100 you have to be liberal. That's pretty bogus.

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FromWithin(8242) Disputed
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What's so sick about moderates is that they are not hot or cold. They have no strong moral foundation to shape their opinions and positions. They drift with the political correct wind.

A perfect example of their lack of moral convictions is the fact they still will vote for an extremist Democrat politician even when he supports allowing viable Babies born alive from botched late term abortions to die.

Moderates vote for people who force all Americans to pay for abortions!

Moderates are the ones who want to allow extremist Democrats to keep raising our debt limit!

They like to compromise on very important issues, that should not be compromised on, while our nation goes bankrupt.

They take few strong stands.

This luke warm, no right or wrong, grey area moderate mindset is what has allowed extremist's on the Left to ruin this nation. Our children are abandoned, our families broken,our welfare roles swollen and our courts forcing political correctness on all states.

Conservatives have done nothing to create all these problems. They are the only ones trying to fix our problems.

When our nation defaults on it's debt, and there are riots in the streets when the welfare checks stop, the moderates will be scratching their heads and wonder what happened?

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Never miss an opportunity to try to hijack the conversation, eh?

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What's so sick about moderates is that they are not hot or cold. They have no strong moral foundation to shape their opinions and positions.

A perfect example of their lack of moral convictions is the fact they still will vote for an extremist Democrat politician even when he supports allowing viable Babies born alive from botched late term abortions to die.

Moderates vote for people who force all Americans to pay for abortions!

Moderates are the ones who want to allow extremist Democrats to keep raising our debt limit!

They like to compromise on very important issues, that should not be compromised on, while our nation goes bankrupt.

They take few strong stands.

This luke warm, no right or wrong, grey area moderate mindset is what has allowed extremist's on the Left to ruin this nation. Our children are abandoned, our families broken,our welfare roles swollen and our courts forcing political correctness on all states.

Conservatives have done nothing to create all these problems. They are the only ones trying to fix our problems.

When our nation defaults on it's debt, and there are riots in the streets when the welfare checks stop, the moderates will be scratching their heads and wonder what happened?

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Perhaps some moderates could in time be convinced of a certain political ideology, or maybe even change to one on their own. Like a guy who is not racist could begin as a tolerant moderate and then after some black criminal case his wife he would become a exremist rascist and even join the Aryan Brotherhood.

But this fact means almost nothing. All it says is that sometimes, SOME people might change their minds about some stuff. Big deal!

You are wrong in claiming that moderates always hold the same kernels of ideology as do extremists.

For example, here on CD, FromWithin is an Extremist Pro Lifer.

I am a moderate Independent.

I hold NONE of his pro life tenets. I am pro choice.

A moderate can usually see both sides of any given issue.

Whereas an Extremist is blind to the views and feelings of those who oppose him.

The very words, moderate.....extremist.....tell you they do not ascribe to the same philosophies. The moderate is closer to the center of the political spectrum. While the Extremist sitfs further out to the edge. Which of course can be either left or right.

Most moderates will never be swayed to Extremist views. Much less come to agree with them on their own.

Hope this helps. As your political science sounds a bit confused.

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Skaruts(195) Disputed
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Your two first paragraphs agree with the important notion that I mentioned: anyone can become blinded and go to extremes. You successfully illustrated the alarmingly short distance one needs to travel to get there, given enough emotional incentive.

Your post does, however, neglect to keep that in mind henceforward. It is a big deal, in fact, that it can be that easy, and it can be disastrous even if extremist are a minority (they always are), given that most moderates have already accepted to climb the few first steps of the same ideological ladder.

The term "extremist" only denounces someone who took actions that we perceive as extreme. Maybe the day before they seemed rather reasonable, even if deeply emotional in their convictions. Many moderates are just as emotional in their convictions. Some are even fanatical.

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FromWithin(8242) Disputed
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LOL, do you see how blind you are to what you support? IT IS MIND BLOWING!

You just said.... "A moderate can usually see both sides of any given issue."

You are COMPLETELY BLIND to that viable baby's life even after being born alive and then allowed to die! You absolutely can not see the Baby's side of the issue!

You should change the name from moderate to INHUMAN!

You just said..... "Whereas an Extremist is blind to the views and feelings of those who oppose him"

We compassionate people(you call extremist) who possess humanity are NOT blind to the feelings of the viable baby that you spit on.

I am no way blind to the feelings of pro abortion people. Their feelings are SELF! SELF LOVE to such an extreme they sacrifice viable children! But you of course are just too moderate to even care. I hope and pray I never become as dead inside as what you call a moderate!

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Skaruts(195) Disputed
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You sound rather radical.

People being in favor of abortion does not equate to lack of compassion. At least not by default.

I don't know of the abortion case you're alluding to, but I'm not willing to accept that it's a reason to consider people to be extremists.

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