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Debate Score:133
Arguments:90
Total Votes:139
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Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.

I was flipping through channels on my TV and I saw the Teen Choice Music Awards 2010. It was just sad.

I was watching it and I was disgusted by what I heard. Not once did I hear anything by Beethoven or Bach or Duke Elligton or Benny Goodman or Mozart etc. No tributes to real musicians or real music. Nothing. What I heard was noise.

These so called musicians have no talent. They can't sing an opera or play a concerto. The only reason people like them is because they have a pretty face and tons of cash.

 

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Side Score: 68
2 points

Rap Music is loud, stupid, and just plain bad music. The reason? Computer-generated drumbeats. Without a human heart to guide the rhythm of everything else, the music is nothing but a machine, a tool of the Devil, and is doomed to extinction and non-recognition in the fullness of time.

Side: yes
2 points

Some of the greatest songs I have ever had the pleasure of hearing have used synthesisers or backing tracks. Viva la Vida, for example.

Side: No
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

Computer-generated drumbeats. Without a human heart to guide the rhythm of everything else, the music is nothing but a machine, a tool of the Devil

How then do you have internet access?

Side: No
2 points

I agree with you to a certain extent. I mean yes,music is definitely contributing to the downfall of society. However,I won't go as far as to say that we need to return to the days of Beethoven. I think that music needs more truly talented people. Not people who go through desperate measures just to get 1 million album sales. The 90's had the most talented artist in history. Michael Jackson and Kurt Cobain are only two of the fantastic artist of the 90's. The main thing our industry needs today is some truly talented artist that have morals.

Side: yes
Spoonerism(831) Disputed
0 points

You think Kurt Cobain and Michael Jackson were exceptionally moral?

Musicians don't need morals. They NEED struggle, desperate measures, etc. That's what makes good music.

Side: No
2 points

Alas, yes. But not even that it's terrible, but that young people are spending their lives addicted to this stuff.

Side: yes

What I said above sums up how I feel about it.

Side: yes
1 point

Of course! Rappers are constantly in jail, mostly because of drug possession and crime. Rappers generally have explicit lyrics, encouraging listeners to do the same. I assume, however, that when you mention 'Modern music', you are referring to rap. If not, please notify me and I will change my argument as required.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree in the sense that when you turned on the Teen Choice Awards, you saw godawful music played by godawful musicians. And yes, the popular music of an era almost always has some effect on the mass culture to an extent, in our case probably a negative one. (One of the songs that my pop loving friends always blast is "Pretty Boy Swag." If you've never heard it, you're lucky.) However, there are still many great musicians in the world to enjoy if you look beyond the Billboard 100 and FM radio. With bands like Radiohead, The Strokes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Arctic Monkeys, etc etc rock music is as good as it's ever been. Young jazz and soul musicians today are extremely talented also. There's actually some decent hip-hop if you look up underground artists. Plus, in Beethoven's time they were taking humans off their continent en masse against their will and forcing them into lives of servitude. Society's always been a little effed up ;)

Side: yes
1 point

It's certainly adding to the stagnation of society and culture.

Side: yes
1 point

Many modern songs support rankism (the idea that not all men are equal to each other). These songs make people screwed up for no good reason. In the songs - they spell out horrifying doom sentences to completely innocent victims. They victimize innocent people for no apparent reason. Sure we know we have to distinguish fantasy from reality, but we subconsciously relate to songs as if they were real. I will not give the example song - for I will make it more popular if I do.

Side: yes
1 point

As you can see through various forms of media, such as newspapers or television, even all over the Internet, music has become an integral part of most cultures. It assists many people in understanding other people, the world around them, or simply themselves. However, things have changed since the good old days of the 1700's - 1980's. Music has become a back-alley for people with no real talent to convey messages of violence, bloodshed, sexual intercourse (hardly befitting of such an art) or simply as a means to gain monetary worth. Of course, the latter reason is a part of all musicians, or at least what passes for one these days. However, there is also the lack of caring in work from people such as Eminem or Justin Bieber, who purposefully flaunt their appearance as a means of persuading pre-teen youngsters into believing that their music is valuable. Gone are the days of Mozart, Beethoven, Bach or Chopin, just to name a few. We now have a society filled with violence, addiction, childish behaviour and a heavy promotion on a lack of respect. There is no music that exists today that allows us to calmly think through our lives, or allows us to understand the troubles of society. Proof of society's lack of music tastes and also of their lack of understanding of what music should be about is in the following link:

Supporting Evidence: 10 Disappointing Facts About Popular Music (www.ultimate-guitar.com)
Side: Yes
5 points

Title should be:

Downfall of society is contributing to modern music.

Think about it and you'll know I'm right.

Side: other way round
2 points

Brilliant.....................................................................................................................................................................

Side: No
1 point

Seconded, .

Side: No

I imagine Comptine d’un autre été après-midi was quite scandalous when first it was played publicly. There is a common misconception that any evolution in society is for the worse. This confuses me, as those adults who now condemn such deviancies are themselves products of the Disco generation. Their parents before them were raised on Rock and Roll, their parents on Jazz and so on and so on ad infinitum. Another point is that Music is a product of societal evolution, not the cause of it.

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
3 points

Comptine d’un autre été après-midi

Not familiar with it.

There is a common misconception that any evolution in society is for the worse.

No, not any; however, most is detrimental.

This confuses me, as those adults who now condemn such deviancies are themselves products of the Disco generation.

Disco was, whilst I still rather dislike it, far superior to that rap crap.

Their parents before them were raised on Rock and Roll

Is Rock 'n' Roll not still alive?

their parents on Jazz

Great music; however, my predilections have always been centred on the pop music of the 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.

and so on and so on ad infinitum.

Not entirely true.

From about 1800-1900 the music was nearly all in a similar style. Again, there was similar style from about 1650-1800.

Nearly all music before then is now lost; however, the evolution was not quite so drastic as has it been in the past half-century.

Side: yes
3 points

You criticize rap music, but I'm guessing that you know little about the genre. In my own opinion, the good rappers of the past couple years are some of the best lyricists in all of music. Music has gotten a lot better since 200 years ago, not worse.

Side: No
2 points

Not familiar with it.

Now you are.

No, not any; however, most is detrimental.

Those sentiments were no doubt echoed by past generations. From what I see, however, we are swiftly rising from a cesspit of repression and decay.

Disco was, whilst I still rather dislike it, far superior to that rap crap.

Thus your personal feelings for the music are not grounds for its detrimental effect (though I do agree with you).

Is Rock 'n' Roll not still alive?

It is, no thanks to the people who's opinions of it were not dissimilar to yours of rap.

Great music; however, my predilections have always been centred on the pop music of the 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.

Which would explain your conservative opinion of new music. However, if all evolution was fought so bitterly as "R'n'B", then there would be no Rock 'n' Roll.

Not entirely true.

From about 1800-1900 the music was nearly all in a similar style. Again, there was similar style from about 1650-1800.

Nearly all music before then is now lost; however, the evolution was not quite so drastic as has it been in the past half-century.

Whether it was drastic or not, it was.

Side: No
2 points

Great music; however, my predilections have always been centred on the pop music of the 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.

Have you ever listened to the old cylinder recordings of the late 19th century? Some are pretty good.

Side: No

Depending on whether if one is a teen, the Teen Music Awards are targeted for teens.

Modern music is blamed for the downfall of society since Rock and Roll was wrongly accused in the 1970's. Since then, nothing has changed.

It is just the evolution of music. Each generation creates a new type of music.

Side: No
trumpeter93(999) Disputed
2 points

I am a teen, and this music does nothing for me.

It is just the evolution of music. Each generation creates a new type of music.

I agree with you there, but with each new generation, the music seems to be getting worse.

Side: yes
JayAr(182) Disputed
2 points

I agree with you there, but with each new generation, the music seems to be getting worse.

Ahem two things...

1.) It is less like what you are used to, it's a simple thing, like eating a new style of food for the first time.

2.) In the extreme situation of what you are describing, or in the more understandable version of this situation both similar.

My personal taste in music is post-rock or instrumental electronica. I loathe words in music...

Side: No
Warlin(1212) Disputed
2 points

With each new generation, the music seems to be getting worse.

I disagree. Every generation there's a really annoying and somehow popular breed of music(Now it's apparently auto-tune 'rap,' if you could even label that drivel as rap.) that people just love to get in to, but what's on the surface doesn't reflect the rest of the culture and music. I'm no expert, but I think my musical tastes are varied enough to have a somewhat decent opinion on the matter. In my personal opinion, you can always find something new and intriguing if you look hard enough.(Although, I definitely couldn't uh, guess anything for you.)

Side: No
2 points

Not once did I hear anything by Beethoven or Bach or Duke Elligton or Benny Goodman or Mozart etc.

LOL! Only faggot teens listen to that shit.

Side: No
3 points

LOL! Only faggot teens listen to that shit.

You seek ever to paint a portrait of ignorance and decay. You are an uncultured fool.

Side: yes
2 points

You seek ever to paint a portrait of ignorance and decay. You are an uncultured fool.

Indeed, he lacks appreciation of culture. Did you also note the closeted usage of the pejorative "fagot?"

Side: No
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

Uncultured fool? Lmao.

1% of my culture is worth more than 100% of your culture.

But being smarter and not as hypocritical as you and just better in nearly every single way I'm not sitting here calling you an uncultured fool for not listening to Lata Mangeshkar now am I?

Side: No
trumpeter93(999) Disputed
2 points

Only faggot teens listen to that shit.

So no homosexuals listen to Justin Beiber or any modern musicians?Listening to good music does not implement homosexuality.

There is a reason modern music is not taught at conservatories.

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
2 points

You're right. Homosexuals do listen to Justin Beiber and wish they could impale him with their little sticks. Same to other modern musicians.

However in this insistance - or a better word is context - it's for lamos unsociables shitheads etc. etc.

Side: No
1 point

Excellent. .

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

Excellent. .

We've another faggot over here!

Side: yes
laurjohn(97) Disputed
1 point

"LOL! Only faggot teens listen to that shit."

You just offended me very deeply with that 'argument'.

I would demand that you apologise, but you don't deserve the free point.

That was a very mean thing for you to say. Now, I happen to think that modern music (anything after the 60's) is shit, but that doesn't mean I think everyone who listens to it is a faggot. What you said is just as stupid as calling someone a faggot because he prefers football over soccer.

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

How can you prefer football over soccer when they're the same thing??

Also shut the fuck up you gay cunt.

Side: No
1 point

My evidence (I hope you enjoy math rock):

Emilie Sagée's secret; from Giraffes? Giraffes!
Side: No
1 point

Of course it isn't, but it sure is pretty good at painting a picture of it.

Side: No
1 point

Not at all.

What you experienced with modern music is just a symptom of a greater problem, it is not the cause.

The problem is the over marketing of music. It used to be that the best music became the most popular with the biggest fanbase. Now it's the best marketed music.

Side: No
1 point

Modern music can never contribute to the downfall of society.

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Side: No
1 point

Modern music can never contribute to the downfall of society.

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Side: No

The older generation is always going to put down the younger generation. The older generation should listen to Rap music and learn to appreciate it.

Side: No