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Most mature people who are able to take care of themselves would rather be free of gov.

Most imature people, who cannot take care of themselves, but who are too old to have mommy and daddy take care of them, look for a surrogate parent (like the government) to take care of them and offer security.

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I don't want, nor do I need, the government to take care of me. When I was going to school I was more liberal but I'm a man now ;)

Side: True
PungSviti(552) Disputed
2 points

It is amazing to me how immature the discussion about this matter is in The US. There has never been a pure capitalist or pure social/ist system. every country in the world has had a mixed system, alot of different mixes though.

In the US you have had an ideology of cutting down government as much as possible but that is just a subterfuge. In reality the government has only been cut down for the average joe (health care and such). On the other hand there have been more government subsidies to corporations than in many european countrys who are now called socialist countrys in the general media in the US.

You have always been somewhat a socialist country - only socialism for the rich though. And what is amazing to me is that the president that gave the most to corporations never got criticized for it by conservatives (George W)

Side: Wait..., what? No!

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson

BTW, the reason every country in the world has had a mixed system is because there is always a group of people within every country doing their best to subvert the system. We should deport every Socialist here to the E.U. ;)

Side: True
1 point

I look at examples. I know that sharing stories of specific examples doesn't encompass everyone, but this is interesting.

My mom works (for the moment) in a poor, Hispanic town in the school district. She is a social worker/crisis counselor and is currently working in the high school, where she has to try and keep 18-year-old freshmen (in high school) from dropping out and where she deals with a lot of what goes on in special ed. One thing she's noticed is the family situation in that town. Many of the parents aren't there for their children and that's why they end up insane and my mom has to take care of them. They are in a hole, living in poor neighborhoods and living below the poverty line, but they don't try to get jobs (not all of them). Many of the parents just accept government assistance in a town without taxes even! And the students try to drop out because they'd rather have an easy life in a gang than think logically in school. But this demographic isn't the only one that uses the government.

My brother has a friend in my town. My town is not a poor town; there are some poorer sections of town, but on the whole, it's a nice town. His friend lives in a moderately sized home with his parents. But he's my brother's age, right around 26. I could understand if he had graduated from an expensive college and couldn't find a job, but that's not the case. He went to community college and isn't actively searching for a job. But he doesn't need to! That's because his mother and father receive assistance from the government. Nobody in the family works, but they have enough money to buy a nice home and stock it with an entire wall of DVDs, a basement of memorabilia, and video games! People who need the government should be buying these things. And the funny thing is, his next door neighbors are also all on disability and don't work. I bet the parents in the other family could go back to work in an office or something, but for some reason (laziness of immaturity, I'm sure), they don't.

Side: True
2 points

Man, wouldn't that be great to have no government... wait.... but will happen to the roads... my water... who's going to stop all of these shoplifters... crap we're being invaded by Mexico... sure wish we had an army... great now a giant monopoly is charging me exuberant prices...sure wish there was some sort of organization to stop this from happening.

Let's put it this way... there is a reason that governments exist... it's because they are beneficial to mankind... they give us structure, justice, and order.

Side: Wait..., what? No!
2 points

1. There should be government.

2. Only limited government

3. Police and Military and some public institutions

Side: True

I feel that I can take care of myself, but I still want the government. Sure, anybody can look after themselves, but when they go to work they expect that the police will protect their homes, cars, belongings, etc. Everyone can't take on every position the government provides. If my house catches on fire, I have a normal garden hose, that's not really going to work. I count on the fire department to come and help.

Side: Wait..., what? No!
1 point

This topic title sounds like the title of a survey, but here's my 2 cents:

I'd love to be free of a government, but then we'd need to enforce that anarchy somehow, so then we'd still governed... doh!

Side: Wait..., what? No!