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Obviously. Not necessarily.
Debate Score:8
Arguments:10
Total Votes:8
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Must all of one's beliefs be based off of reason?

Obviously.

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Not necessarily.

Side Score: 5
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I think to a certain degree, yes. Whether it just makes sense to someone, or if it's reason based off of experience, in some way there is reason for our beliefs.

The only problem is that people reason differently. So we believe differently too.

Side: Obviously.
pancake(143) Clarified
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So since people reason differently, would you say that there is no sort of "base reason" that should be accepted by all people?

Side: Obviously.
Saurbaby(5581) Clarified
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I wouldn't believe so. But we do things by majority, and so that doesn't really matter.

Side: Obviously.

I feel Ayn Rand got it right:

"Reason is man’s only means of grasping reality and of acquiring knowledge—and, therefore, the rejection of reason means that men should act regardless of and/or in contradiction to the facts of reality."

Side: Obviously.

It was the great philosopher Plato who once said, "A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool because he has to say something."

Anyone who has any form of intellect would realise that they are accountable for the views that they express, be it privately or publicly. If you express a judgement or view, you should be expected to defend it when challenged. One must have some basis for believing in something. Whether or not that reason is valid is an entirely separate debate.

Side: Obviously.
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If all beliefs were based off reason, than we would be a lot better than we usually are. By this I mean, genuine, intellectual reasoning, not trying to convince yourself that your way may be right. Take for example, a person on a diet who might actively be avoiding sweets. If they eat a piece of chocolate just one day- after months of dieting successfully- than the part of their brain that reacts to pleasure will tempt to override the logic of not eating and make them believe in the "what-the-hell" mentality. In brief, I've already had one so why not have a couple more? Then said dieter will most likely go on a chocolate binge that will result in a depression-like guilt afterward.

Side: Not necessarily.

Reason is the product of emotion and belief, we first believe then rationalize that belief.

Reasons works off of assumptions, in order for it to be useful we must first have a series of beliefs or at least statements to apply reason to.

For example, without the two premises I can not use rationality to arrive at my conclusion.

A->B

~B

Thus ~A

The premises are justified by something other than reason, the most common other thing and the best is common experience. While we can have most of our beliefs have a reason, we will eventually come to our premises and find them unjustified.

Side: Not necessarily.

(Disclaimer: I chose to "support" as a default position because I need to clarify your statements before making a decision)

You have said that

A -> B

~B

Ergo ~A

Wouldn't you be guilty of affirming the consequent if you were to posit such an argument?

Side: Not necessarily.

Experience should form beliefs as well. Otherwise, how are you going to grow as a person?

Side: Not necessarily.

Someone's faith can be based not on reason. A person can believe that a lucky rabbit's foot brought him good luck without any reasoning.

Side: Not necessarily.