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Mistake Not a mistake
Debate Score:26
Arguments:31
Total Votes:26
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NASCAR Driver Tony Stewart hits and kills a fellow driver.

Did Tony gas the engine knowing the back end would strike or come close to hiting Ward? What are your thoughts below is one of many videos of this tragic death. Sound of below... Should stewart be drug tested? Should he face any criminal charges? Or was this just a horribe mistake? 

 

 

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Mistake

Side Score: 19
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Not a mistake

Side Score: 7

Below is a link To ESPN Video There are many online. Very graphic

Supporting Evidence: ESPN video (m.espn.go.com)
Side: Mistake
1 point

ugh. Tony can be ....competitive... at times. Peoples emotions can run hot especially when a crash happens and you think the other guy caused it like Kevin thought. In situations like that people can do stupid things. Even if Tony caused the accident that put Kevin out of the win he is not responsible for Kevin's actions after.

Kevin Ward put himself in harms way when he started walking down the track when the race was still going. He left the safety of his vehicle to confront another driver who was still driving. It is unlikely that Tony noticed a person walking onto the track as that is very unusual during a race. Kevin appeared to try to put himself in the vision of Tony as he was driving and it was just too close.

Can Tony be a dick? Yes. Was this intentional? I doubt it.

I do not think criminal charges should be brought against Tony as Kevin put himself in an odd and dangerous position. I am sure there are rules for safety against going out on the track like Kevin did during the race.

Tony should get drug tested though, as I think that is standard practice when there is an accident on jobs.

This was a tragic and totally avoidable situation.

Side: Mistake
Coldfire(1014) Clarified
1 point

Just a little off topic:

This was a tragic and totally avoidable situation.

If it was totally avoidable, why wasn’t it avoided? Doesn’t this imply culpability?

Side: Mistake
1 point

The guy who was struck by the car walked into a speeding car. He is culpable for his own death. Not Stewart.

Side: Mistake
J-Roc77(70) Clarified
1 point

Avoidable as in there are very likely to be rules that disallow people on the track when vehicles are racing. The incident wasn't avoided because Kevin took it on himself to go on the track in a dangerous situation.

Other drivers wouldn't likely be thinking of avoiding such obstacles as people in the race track. This isn't some intersection out in town.

I do not see how Tony can be responsible for Kevin's unfortunate actions of putting himself in harms way.He took it upon himself to confront a driver while the race was still live. Kevin had more reasonable routes of discourse for the incident, like appealing to the racing committee.

Side: Mistake
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
1 point

If it was totally avoidable, why wasn’t it avoided? Doesn’t this imply culpability?

Number #1 Rule of Racing:

Never get out of your car after you wreck unless it's on fire and when you do get out of your car don't walk into cars that are slowing down because of a caution.

Side: Mistake
DevinSeay(1120) Clarified
1 point

Kevin knew the dangers of getting out of his sprint and walking up into traffic. Grant it, Tony did that in NASCAR where the cars can go up to 200 MPH. But they both knew they could have gotten killed much so in the cars themselves.

Tony will most likely be drug tested as not only as it is the procedure in NASCAR but also the procedure in any fatal accident. Since this isn't a NASCAR sponsored event, he will be most likely drug tested by the police.

I highly doubt Tony Stewart is on drugs. As I said before, NASCAR keeps an eye on their drivers and Tony has probably the most diverse racing experiences. Hell, he could have gone to Formula 1 if he wanted to.

Side: Mistake
1 point

Kevin Ward made a mistake and got what he fucking deserved. The world is a better place without dumb fucks who walk in front of speeding race cars.

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Side: Mistake
1 point

Media portrays Tony as a monster, displaying pictures of him either smiling without contempt or snarling like a malicious demon. They misquote him and present headlines to entice the audience.

This was a tragic accident but the media has no qualms about being deceitful in order to spark controversy and garner ratings.

Side: Mistake
1 point

...Media have caused more deaths than Tony Stewart...

Side: Mistake
2 points

Yes, I agree.

Although I do consider it a viable solution to the same problem it currently creates. If there were a complete change in paradigm where media did a 180 flip, we could see it for its true potential in the betterment of the species.

Imagine a media which actually informs instead of obfuscates relevant details,

which emphasizes positive interactions with others instead of negative ones,

which teaches about and identifies flawed reasoning and rhetoric instead of perpetuating it,

which connects people across diverse planes instead of dividing them,

which focuses on and investigates important issues instead of distracting people from them,

which promotes happiness through contentment instead of through exponential consumption and waste

Side: Mistake

1) that asshole got out of his vehicle on an active racetrack. An action that should be punishable by fine or barring from future races just as football players who remove their helmets on the field.

2) it was a dirt track and Tony seemed to steer left sharply, however due to lack of traction ok the dirt his back end swung and clipped the other driver.

3) I don't think Tony Stewart is the type of guy to willfully murder a guy he just clipped.

Side: Mistake

Very graphic Link Below but there are many inline and here is one from ESPN. SOUND OF NOW ON WHAT YOU THINK..

Supporting Evidence: ESPN video (m.espn.go.com)
Side: Not a mistake
1 point

It wasn't a mistake. From what I've been hearing he pressed on the gas in anger.

Side: Not a mistake
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
2 points

When racing on a wet, dirt surface you never ever hit the brakes in order to avoid a crash. These cars can exceed 140 MPH and their cruising speed is at 45MPH. I don't know if you have ever been in a car on a circuit but it is completely different going around in circles at 140MPH then going on the highway and doing it. And these sprint cars drift. As soon as you come out of a corner you got a very short time to correct your car to go straight and then sling down into the corner again trying to sling out gaining maximum speed.

Tony tried to avoid him. If you slow down the video you can see him turning and accelerating in order to miss Kevin.

Side: Mistake
1 point

I agree that there was anger involved but I do not believe this was done on purpose. Tony ( HOTHEADED) as he can be, didn't hit Ward out of anger. Like the person said before me, dirt tracks are way different. I have been around dirt track racing since before I could sit up, my uncles and dad and both my brothers raced as a hobby. Both dirt and pavement. Watch Disneys Pixar "Cars" the first one. Dirt is way different.. As I am female most do not know that I can corner like no other on both dirt and pavement. But again I had 5 uncles teaching me to drive.

Side: Mistake
1 point

How come other drivers were able to slow down and avoid a collision and he wasn't?

Side: Not a mistake
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
1 point

They weren't avoiding a collusion because he wasn't in front of them. He only got in front of Tony when he ran in front of Tony. As you can see if you slow the video down, Tony accelerates and breaks hard left to avoid him, but Kevin ran into his sprint car.

Side: Mistake
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

I don't think you can actually tell from the video to be honest. I think you're giving Stewart the benefit of the doubt.

Many drivers have done exactly what Ward did. I could do the same thing and say that Ward stayed at a safe distance from Stewart's path, but Stewart altered his course.

I just think this is a case where any scenario almost seems unlikely. I definitely hesitate to accuse Stewart of intentionally killing Ward, but I also find it hard to believe that Ward (assuming he is sane) would intentionally run right in front of a car going 140+ mph.

Side: Not a mistake
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Ward wasn't standing still. If ward was standing still near his car you could use that excuse. Ward got hit by the only driver whose car he walked into.

Side: Mistake
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

How is it not valid if he wasn't standing still? He was moving when the 45 car swerved out of the way. Plus, it really is hard to tell from the video, as it isn't focused on Ward until the last moment.

Side: Not a mistake
IHateObummer(217) Clarified
1 point

I'm not disagreeing with you or agreeing because nobody knows for sure what Tony was thinking or if he could even see ward. My problem is that every video I have seen, you can clearly see and hear Tony but the gas has he went by ward. For this reason I could say he didn't mean to hit him but was trying to spin dirt on him because ward was clearly upset for being spun out. I have been a nascar can for many years. And I know Tony is a hot head. But I honesty don't think he meant to kill anyone.

Side: Mistake
1 point

you can clearly see and hear Tony

That isn't true at all. The only thing that is clear from the videos is Ward moving himself in front of Tony's car. You have no idea what you heard because that sound could have come from any of the cars.

Side: Mistake