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Nevermind Con. It took me two minutes to refute your claim. Going after someone who happens to be a Jew isn't antisemitism. Going after "The Jews" as a group because they are "the Jews" is antisemtism.
There's a difference between someone saying "Bernie Sanders is a dumbass" and someone saying "The Jews are vile trash". See the difference? Me too.
Explain to us why numerous Holocaust survivors have accused the Israeli state of mimicking Nazi Germany.
That will be your answer, you evil scumbag.
You are -- as per usual -- purposefully trying to mislead people into falling for the absurd falsehood that fascism and anti-Semitism are the same thing. Clearly, they are not the same thing. Anti-Semitism is/was but a single, solitary component of certain fascist regimes. Mussolini's chief propagandist (and later his mistress) was Jewish for heaven's sake.
You are a lying fascist piglet and that is the absolute truth of the matter.
So Israel literally doesn't put people in furnaces, doesn't invade other countries, and treats its minorities well, making your piss poor attempt a....
Piss poor attempt.
Meanwhile, you literally are in a movement that is antisemitic, defends Islam, demonizes Jews, and goes after the church, demonizes capitalism, etc, just like the group you claim to hate, and I'm in a group that literally takes the opposite of those positions.
A swastika wearer like you is a swastika wearer even by any other name.
So was the omnipotent state. Again, the Socialist position
You have been proven wrong about this twice already so once again you are DELIBERATELY turning reality upside down -- a familiar fascist trick:-
Under socialism or communism—Marx and Engels drew no clear or consistent distinction between the two—government itself will eventually wither away as people gradually lose the selfish attitudes inculcated by private ownership of the means of production.
Hence, you are telling people the precise opposite of the truth.
Because you are a fascist who is being paid by some equally corrupt corporate entity to tell lies on the internet. You are very literally a pathetic, disgusting little piece of shit and -- frankly -- it is little surprise that even your own children cannot stand to be around you. In layman's terms, you are about as low as it is possible for our species to get.
The Nazis claimed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations because of its intention to dissolve private property, its support of class conflict, its aggression against the middle class, its hostility towards small business and its atheism.[247]
The Communist Party of Germany (KPD) was the largest Communist Party in the world outside of the Soviet Union, until it was destroyed by the Nazis in 1933.[257] In the 1920s and early 30s, Communists and Nazis often fought each other directly in street violence, with the Nazi paramilitary organizations being opposed by the Communist Red Front and Anti-Fascist Action
Already debunked. Same and similar ideologies have competed and went to war hundreds, perhaps thousands of times throughout history.
This also contradicts your claim that Hitler pandered to Communists because he was a liar attempting to get them on his side. So per deductive logic, you were wrong then, or you are wrong now.
ROFLMAO. What do you think you have debunked, you deranged halfwit?
Same and similar ideologies have competed and went to war hundreds, perhaps thousands of times throughout history.
So people who agree with each other are the ones who go to war? ROFLMAO. You laughably stupid little runt.
Your repeated abuse of logical fallacy in the quest to sell us your vile brand of fascism is almost directly out of a textbook (i.e. Many apples are red, therefore this apple is red) And that's just the beginning of your absurdity because your initial assertion is false in the first fucking place! No, people who agree with each other do not go to war. People who DISAGREE with each other go to war. Understand how that works, you absurdly stupid little corporate Judas prick?
So people who agree with each other are the ones who go to war? ROFLMAO. You laughably stupid little runt.
Pretty stupid Nom. People who generally agree or mostly agree on basic ideology but not on which faction should rule have fought each other a thousand times. Would you be interested in a history book?
Your repeated abuse of logical fallacy in the quest to sell us your vile brand of fascism
I support legal immigration of black and brown people and gay marriage being legal. Doesn't do much for your fake narrative does it buddy?
You on the other hand want the population disarmed to give the state power to enforce its agenda and are fine with violence and censorship toward speakers and anyone not in your leftist supremacist group. That's literally fascism and tyrannical authoritarianism.
No, people who agree with each other do not go to war.
Stupid in context, because people who agree with each other on many things disagree on some things. In this case they disagreed on who was the boss and nothing else.
So the anti-fascists are the fascists, socialists and Communists are fascists. In fact, pretty much everybody except the American alt-right are fascists, right buddy?
Only the strange thing is this:-
The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely-connected and somewhat ill-defined[1] grouping of white supremacists/white nationalists, neo-Nazis, neo-fascists, neo-Confederates, Holocaust deniers, and other far-right[2][3][4] fringe hate groups.[5][6]
Alt-right beliefs have been described as isolationist, protectionist, antisemitic and white supremacist,[7][8][9] frequently overlapping with neo-Nazism,[10][11][12][13] identitarianism,[14] nativism and Islamophobia,[15][16][17][18][19] antifeminism, misogyny and homophobia,[10][20][21][22][13] right-wing populism[23][24] and the neoreactionary movement.[7][25] The concept has further been associated with several groups such as American nationalists, paleoconservatives, anarcho-capitalists, national-anarchists,[26] paleolibertarians, Christian fundamentalists, neo-monarchists, men's rights advocates and the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump.[15][24][25][27][28][14]
According to a Southern Poverty Law Center report published in February 2018, over 100 people have been killed and injured in 13 attacks by alt-right influenced perpetrators since 2014. Political scientists and leaders have argued it should be classified as a terrorist or extremist movement.
Sue Gardner is just one example. She is the former executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation and served in that role from December 2007 to May 2014. Her influence on Wikipedia is substantial and unquestioned. She was even named one of the 100 most powerful women in the world by Forbes in 2012.
In addition to serving on Wikimedia’s Board of Trustees, Gardner has held a leadership position with the “nonpartisan” Sunlight Foundation (SF). SF has been funded by numerous left-wing organizations, such as the George Soros-funded Open Society Foundation and the Knight Foundation. SF even received $1 million in 2010 from the left-leaning Rockefeller Family Fund.
Also connected to SF is Wikipedia founder and Wikimedia Board of Trustees member Jimmy Wales, who serves on the SF Advisory Board. Wales is not only connected to leftist groups through his role at the Sunlight Foundation, he also has close personal ties to multiple left-wing bigshots. Wales even attended one of George Soros’ birthday parties, according to The New York Times.
Other Wikimedia Board of Trustees members have less extravagant ties to leftist causes but still openly admit they support such causes and politicians. Guy Kawasaki, Wikipedia’s “internet evangelist,” announced his support of Barack Obama on Election Day in 2012.
In one of her blog posts, Wikipedia board member Phoebe Ayers lamented that she had “white privilege” and reminisced about rifle-carrying “rednecks,” to whom she referred as “drunken yokel[s],” whose proximity she had to endure while growing up in the South. In another post, she applauded Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) for her “stands on the environment … and women’s issues” and worried someday the “unthinkable” might happen in California: A Republican could get elected.
And again you link us extreme far right blogs while you simultaneously call other people fascists!!!! You are just literally fucking ridiculous. Shut your stupid, fucking retarded mouth you wholesale idiot:-
In review, The Heartland Institute’s primary mission is to advocate for corporations.
The Heartland Institute is a leading supporter in climate change denial and when it comes to climate change information, they have made numerous false or misleading claims. They have also made false claims when it comes to other political issues.
Overall, we rate the Heartland Institute Right Biased and Questionable based on promotion of anti-science propaganda, lack of transparency with funding, and more than 5 failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers.
You are mentally unwell. You cut and pasted a political attack against Wikipedia by the Heartland Institute, which is a confirmed far right fake news website:-
The Heartland Institute is a leading supporter in climate change denial and when it comes to climate change information, they have made numerous false or misleading claims. They have also made false claims when it comes to other political issues.
Overall, we rate the Heartland Institute Right Biased and Questionable based on promotion of anti-science propaganda, lack of transparency with funding, and more than 5 failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers.
Overall, we rate Wikipedia Least Biased based on a wide variety of content and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and several studies that reveal acceptable accuracy of information
Your problem being that you have already been a cheerleader for the state taking guns and controlling healthcare, aka the omnipotent state. Marx doesn't erase your past positions on the site.
Your problem being that you hate Marxists like all fascists do, and it is very apparent given the fact that you sit on the internet lying about them all day and night.
you have already been a cheerleader for the state taking guns
Your problem being that Hitler did the exact opposite of that, and dramatically loosened gun restrictions in Germany:-
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
You are mentally unwell. Your sources are literally flagged as fake news websites by Media-Bias-Fact-Check.Com. Both the Heartland Institute and The Daily Caller are confirmed far right fake news websites.
It doesn't really help your case that you aren't a fascist when you claim to have "debunked" things based on cut and pasting information from confirmed fascist websites:-
The Daily Caller has failed numerous fact checks, however they post a significant amount of articles each day. Based on the volume of articles published, versus failed fact checks, they do not fall into the Questionable category, though they are close.
Overall, we rate the Daily Caller strongly right biased based on story selection that almost always favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks.
So let me get this straight buddy. I link evidence that Donald Trump keeps a book of Hitler speeches next to his pillow when he sleeps at night, and you interpret that as me taking "the position of Goebells"?
ROFLMAO.
How are you just such a laughably stupid cunt? You're literally linking extreme right websites and claiming they debunk politically neutral ones. And you're accusing other people of being on the extreme far right for linking the neutral ones instead of the batshit ones!!!
You're a laughably stupid cunt Bronto. Just laughably stupid.
Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight.
LMFAO.
So, just to clarify this a second, you are trying to use literal Nazi propaganda (designed to pull in voters from the German left, since the Communist Party in Germany was Europe's second largest), in order to "evidence" that Communists (i.e. the people who invaded Germany and killed everybody in their way) are Nazis?
Am I understanding this correctly? You are genuinely stupid enough to use Nazi propaganda in a conversation about how you aren't a Nazi?
Goebbels, aware of the value of publicity (both positive and negative), deliberately provoked beer-hall battles and street brawls, including violent attacks on the Communist Party of Germany.[78] He used the death of Horst Wessel who was killed in 1930 by two members of the Communist Party of Germany as a propaganda tool against "Communist subhumans".[79]
The spectre of Communism was used to win dictatorial powers.[80] The Reichstag fire was presented by Nazi newspaper as the first step in a Communist seizure of power.[81] Hitler made use of it to portray Nazis as the only alternative to the Communists, fears of which he whipped up.[82] This propaganda resulted in an acceptance of anti-Communist violence at the time, though antisemitic violence was less approved of.[83]
After the Nazis came to power in 1933, Communists were among the first people that were sent to concentration camps.[85] They were sent because of their ties with the Soviet Union and because Nazism greatly opposed Communism.[86]
Isn't it strange how facts change when you don't get them from the literal Nazi Minister of Propaganda? Hey buddy?
Soros still isn't a source buddy. Isn't it weird that historians from the 1940s said you are full of shit, and in real time, as opposed to during the time of Soros funded progressive mass propaganda on a site that blocks conservative additions and content?
For example, it gave two bad reviews of Mark Levin's book "Unfreedom of the Press", yet it won't let anyone post the good reviews. You are welcome to try to add a positive review. Go ahead.
designed to pull in voters from the German left, since the Communist Party in Germany was Europe's second largest
Got caught in your own web of bullshit, eh nom? Just moments ago you claimed and sourced that the Nazis destroyed the German Communists in 1933. And even better, you make the same claim in your next post. Maybe you should take lying classes.
You are a lying fascist piglet and that is the absolute truth of the matter.
Cool. So explain to us why you take so many Fascist positions.
Fascism
-a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts group identity above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Cool. So explain to us why you take so many Fascist positions.
Certainly. I don't support any fascist positions because I am a Marxist. A Marxist is the political opposite of a fascist. Your question is loaded with an intentional (and absurd) false positive which is both:-
A) Intended to deflect your own genuine agreement with the classic fascist positions (i.e. nationalism, populism, authoritarianism, reactionism, militarism, nepotism, racism, corporatism, isolationism) and use of classic fascist propaganda (i.e. meme/pamphlet spam, big lies, false flag attacks, deflection, distortion, omission, Freudian projection etc...) as a means to promote fascist ideology.
B) So hilariously ironic given that you have also been accusing Jeremy Corbyn (another borderline Marxist) of being a fascist all night:-
Jeremy Corbyn has a long and honourable record of opposing fascism, racism and anti-semitism
Corbyn is a left wing, borderline Marxist who was literally in an anti-fascist campaign group. And here you are accusing him of being a far right fascist extremist.
Your corporate fascist propaganda is stupid, and you are a subhuman, worthless little failure who has sold his conscience to the highest bidder.
Please please and quadruple please, try hard, very hard to understand that your standard diversionary tactic of introducing straw man type arguments into genuine topics of real interest doesn't fool anyone.
No one was arguing whether or not the Holocaust survivors accused the Israeli state of mimicking Nazi Germany''.
Introduce this argument under separate cover and display the source of your claim.
Either address Bronto's question directly or stay under your rock.
Lmfao. The third time is triple, dopey. Struggle with maths, did you? Ahaha!
straw man type arguments
Interesting that you somehow have failed to grasp this debate is a straw man argument.
No one was arguing whether or not the Holocaust survivors accused the Israeli state of mimicking Nazi Germany''
Ah, I see now. You are too stupid to grasp the relevance of my comment. Would a diagram help you, perhaps?
Republicans have become a fascist party, and the reason they aren't openly anti-Semitic is because the very fascists who are running the Republican Party, and who fund and finance it (i.e. Sheldon Adelson etc...) are pro-Israeli Jewish fascists.
Would you still like that diagram? Or are you simply content to reinforce Bronto's deliberate attempt to mislead people into believing fascism and anti-Semitism are the same thing?
In fact, don't bother answering. Just shut the fuck up. You're a moron.
The introduction of your straw man into the thread is totally irrelevant within the context of the question which, predictably you have failed to answer.
Your additional failure to provide the source of the allegation made in your tangential remark establishes further the enormity of the cavity between your ears.
Do get out more into the real world and try interacting with actual, walking talking human beings.
Your devotion to cyber life has been the cause of your psychosis and has undoubtedly exacerbated your Tourette Syndrome.
The introduction of your straw man into the thread
Apparently you are having trouble reading what other people write. You tend to just pick a lie and keep repeating it. Pretty much exactly like the Nazis did, in fact. A coincidence?
Your additional failure to provide the source of the allegation made in your tangential remark
So let me just get this straight, dopey. You fail to provide the source of your allegation against me, during the same sentence you are accusing me of failing to provide sources? Did I read that correctly?
You see buddy, the problem is that your neurosis/narcissistic personality disorder is preventing you from comprehending how stupid that is. Somebody appears to have taught you that if you swap all the words in your stupid sentences with synonyms you pull from the online thesaurus, it makes your stupid sentences intelligent.
Only here's the thing: they lied to you!!!
Do get out more into the real world and try interacting with actual, walking talking human beings.
Has anybody ever told you that you're boring?
You sir, are a boring fascist troll. It must suck to not even be talented at the one thing you think you're talented at.