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New game: If it were a Democratic President would you?

Let's play a game.  Since our current President is Republican let's go ahead and see how his supporters would react if the current President were actually Democratic.  Or, since they like to bring him up so much, we could also name this game "If Obama did it"
Would you support our President if he were Democrat or Obama and he:
Boasted about molesting women?
Supported tear-gassing peaceful protesters so he could get a photo-op in front of a church?
Used the bible as a prop for political gain while other's suffered around him?
Possibly commit felony voter fraud by registering to vote in a state he doesn't live in or have primary residence in?
Encourages his followers to commit assault on protesters while running for President?
Is a raging hypocrite who doesn't follow his own rules or statements?
Downplayed a virus that has caused the death of thousands of american citizens, which could have been reduced if it had been taken seriously?
ADAMANTLY and with fervor responds to any form of mocking faster than responding to ANY actual matters of importance?
I know if it had been a Democratic president **I** wouldn't support that crap.  
So go on, ask yourself.....If you support this from our current leader, would you support him if he were democrat?  If he were still Obama?

Heck yeah I'd support them

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Why is this even a thing?

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Boasted about molesting women?

Actually he said "they'll let you grab them by the pu----, which technically means they welcomed or consented to the grab. I don't have a problem with a guy telling a story where he tells you what a woman will allow. So, we'll label this one as "SPIN" on your part.

Supported tear-gassing peaceful protesters so he could get a photo-op in front of a church?

The park police in D.C., a 97% liberal city, say they don't possess tear gas, nor did they use any, so I'll just label this one as "FAKE NEWS".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/us-park-police-chief-says-no-tear-gas-was-used-washington-dc-protesters-before-trumps-church-1508239?amp=1

Used the bible as a prop for political gain while other's suffered around him?

Democrats have done the same thing with the Bible, and the left cared not, so I'll give you two possible ratings. "YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT or "HYPOCRISY". I'll assume you just didn't know and give you the benefit of the doubt.

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/06/clinton-bible.jpg

Possibly commit felony voter fraud by registering to vote in a state he doesn't live in or have primary residence in?

A lot of Democrats have done this, so I'll hold the left to its own lack of outrage. And, technically, in some states it's not even illegal. The left also doesn't care about Biden's scandal concerning Burisma and Ukraine, so the right can't deal with the left in good faith, so they don't hold Trump to any higher standard than the left did with Hillary or now with Biden. We know the left is used to us trying to take the moral highground, but we only continue that tradition with a Democratic Party that deals in good faith and holds itself to similar standards. That Democratic Party no longer exists.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/double-voting.aspx

Encourages his followers to commit assault on protesters while running for President?

Democrats have told their supporters to use violence on Republicans more times than I can count, so again, I'll hold the left to its own lack of outrage standards.

https://youtu.be/RVyZxUDnbfs

https://youtu.be/ZzXS8r4SpnQ

Is a raging hypocrite who doesn't follow his own rules or statements?

That described almost all Democrats in government and the media, and talk show hosts. If rabid, rank hypocrisy were an impeachable offense, there would be almost no one left in the Democratic Party in Congress.

Downplayed a virus that has caused the death of thousands of american citizens, which could have been reduced if it had been taken seriously?ci

He put the China ban into action in January. The WHO and Dr. Fauci said that it couldn't be transmitted human to human and that it wasn't any serious threat in January. Biden and the left called the ban racist, and he said he wouldn't have put it in place. That means an unknowable amount of people from the Coronavirus hotspot of the world, would have flown and walked right into America during the early stages of the known pandemic. If you think the pandemic numbers are bad now, imagine if Biden had been President...

https://youtu.be/ooZdq9qHNg8

ADAMANTLY and with fervor responds to any form of mocking faster than responding to ANY actual matters of importance?

You just described Barack Obama from the right wing perspective.

https://youtu.be/4Zyrz7udnLE

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blogs/ticket/obama-admin-spied-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-134204299.html

I know if it had been a Democratic president I wouldn't support that crap.

You are supporting that crap if you don't condemn Biden and then vote for him. The list of things the left says it hates about Trump reside in Joe Biden, and some insidious, vile characteristics that Biden possesses, are not present in Trump. From a strictly ethics based assessment based on facts and evidence, Trump is way "less bad" than Biden according to at least half of the country and according to me.

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REALITY SANDWICH FOR MINTTEA

I attack Democrats on their ideas mainly and sometimes returnfire on insults, but mainly just the ideological perspective of the left, and the ANTIFA and Alinsky tactics it uses, while expecting the right never to return fire, and being outraged when we do.

WHY TRUMP??

We see Trump as nothing other than a political power tool to oppose being censored by social media, being called racists, etc nonstop despite most of us having no ill will based solely on race, to prevent a Communist attempt at a takeover of the school system, media, Hollywood, our scientific discoveries militarily and in the pharmaceutical arena, and a power tool to take down the leftist breaking of the seperation of church and state in which they said the Bible shouldn't be taught in schools, then when they took over the schools they force fed our kids an ideology that acts as a religion, preaches many anti Christian sentiments, teaches kids you can choose your gender as a kid and even get a sex change that you may resent and regret later when you old enough to make up your mind, and has taught kids to hate America, the flag, the National Anthem, etc, and teaches kids to embrace radical, pseudo Communist ideas.

So to be specific, we will treat Trump with the same morality and ethics kid gloves that the left is using with Biden and past Democrats as we speak. The reason being is the same as why the left has suddenly turned off the #believeallwomen hashtag on Biden. We don't see our candidate as some moral agent of philosophy and some esoteric symbol of virtue and unbridled honor, but as a political agent who hits back against the very institutions who declared war on us before we even realized we were in a serious ideological war where the left would suddenly refuse to condemn any bad leftist behavior, insults, tactics, etc, regardless of the insidiousness of the behavior, insults, or tactics.

We simply decided that if the left wasn't going to hold itself to the old rules, standards, and principles that had united us as a country in the past, we had one of two choices. Surrender or fight back under this new set of a lack of rules. I never surrender. I always fight back, and people like Trump, myself, Michelle Malkin, Dinesh Dsouza, Dan Bongino, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Allen West, Herman Cain, Nigel Farage, Ronald Reagan's old videos, etc have taught the right how to fight back.

The right hasn't really changed in any substantive way in my lifetime. If anything, it's moved slightly left and semi resembles the Democratic Party of the 1990s and early 2000s.

What has changed, is the left has decided to censor, attack, and use devisive language against anyone not them, or who doesn't conform to their line, concerning the use of identity politics as a weapon rather than as a uniting force, to attack the right, which has moved left on several issues, as "Nazis, "racists", "white supremacists", "Islamophobes", "bigots", homophobes", etc, despite the overwhelming majority of us having none of those traits in any substantive level, and the left attacking anyone of those exact same demographic groups that vote Republican as coons, race traitors, uncle toms, etc while not seeing those attacks as phobias, supremacy, or bigotry in the same manner.

If you are none of those things as a collective, and get called those things nonstop, constantly, simply for disagreeing or stating a counter opinion, or for being cautios in a situation rather than liberal in a given situation, it builds up a massive resentment towards the other party. That resentment from the right was building up well before Donald Trump.

Donald Trump was fully created by the left. In 1980, he could not have won the Republican nomination. In 1990, he could not have won the Republican nomination. Why? Because the right had set a very high standard for itself concerning how it holds itself, how it speaks to others, and the like.

As the American left barreled quickly towards identity politics, violent activism, Alinsky tactics, the demonizing of what used to be America not that long ago, and a media who fully ran cover for the left and fully declared war on the right, the right realized there were very few old rules or standards that the left lived by anymore. So we responded by electing someone who uses the same standards as the modern, current left to win. That is to say, NONE. If you want to stop the Sherman Tank brigade of the modern left, which more and more resembles Mao's China, Just win. No rules. Victory and nothing less. Win or be destroyed. We chose win. And we are going to choose just win again in November. And if the left doesn't change and adjust more back to the middle, where sanity resides, we will use the exact same logic in 2024. Win. Just win.

If we want to beat down the political force that applauded arresting mothers for taking their kid to the park, barbers for cutting hair to survive, and surfers alone in the ocean, just to turn around and applaud riots, looting, and burning down neighborhoods as if the virus suddenly disappeared, defeat is no longer an option. We see the ugly trith presented to us. We cannot lose.

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6 points

Actually he said "they'll let you grab them by the pu----

No he didn't you ridiculously stupid liar. You are merging two separate sentences together because you're a fucking liar. He said, "You just walk right over and grab them by the pussy", which is sexual assault. After that he said, "And they'll just let you do it if you're a star". That's Jimmy Saville talk and you are defending sex abuse. Not just defending it, but LYING to defend it. That's how sick in the head you are.

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For God's sake will you stop upvoting your own posts you fucking silly Nazi cunt.

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He put the China ban into action in January.

Another complete and total lie which you keep repeating in the full knowledge that it is not true. Trump placed ZERO travel restrictions on Americans flying back from China, and ZERO travel restrictions on Americans flying OUT to China.

There was no "China ban". You just keep repeating the same lies over and over because you're a worthless little Nazi hated by his own children.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/

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The park police in D.C., a 97% liberal city, say they don't possess tear gas

No, YOU say that. And you are a complete and total fucking liar.

A US Park Police spokesperson said Friday in an interview it was a “mistake” to insist in a statement on Tuesday that it didn’t use tear gas

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21281604/lafayette-square-white-house-tear-gas-protest

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We see the ugly trith presented to us. We cannot lose.

I see the madness which motivates you. You're completely, irreconcilably mad. You have put your Nazi ideology before truth, honor and even your own children. Cannot lose? You've already lost you worthless bastard and you're too stupid to even know it.

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BRONT(430) Disputed
3 points

You've already lost you worthless bastard and you're too stupid to even know it.

Or, China is the radical left's strongest nation. It can't go toe to toe with us yet, and it knows it. In 20 years? Maybe, but not today. And? The Labour Party got destroyed in Britain, and I can see that your ideology is in full retreat in the parts of the West with any substantive power. And if we win again in November in the United States, we're going for the knockout, so get ready for it Nom. The second term of every President is more offensive in terms of creating radical change than the first term by far. We aren't "Nazis", and anyone claiming such is a slanderer and a liar. Thus, your ideology called down the thunder. Well now you got it.

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Mint_tea(4439) Disputed
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Honestly you want to talk about spinning you should re-read your entire debate.

Molesting

His boast about molesting women was EXACTLY that.

Bush: It better not be the publicist. No, it’s, it’s her, it’s —

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

If you can try to defend that then you are why we still need women's rights groups in this country.

Tear gas

Yeah there's enough articles out there saying it was a mistake to deny tear gas was used. Even fox news covered that so I'm sure you are aware of that by now.

Ban

No. He did NOT put forth a ban. He put forth a restriction that did NOTHING to restrict US citizen's from entering or leaving the country nor did he restrict import. WHO declared a global health emergency after the first documented case of person to person in the US on January 30th. Before then they warned of it.

I notice all of the others you sure didn't have a problem defending him so again I ask, if Obama did all of this, would you have been ok with it?

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If you can try to defend that then you are why we still need women's rights groups in this country.

Bronto will defend anything his fuhrer does. That's how Nazism works.

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BRONT(430) Disputed
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Molesting

His boast about molesting women was EXACTLY that.

Here's the comment.

"And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

If a woman let's you touch them, that's literally not "molesting", so you've been caught lying once again. Being a star doesn't magically mean that consent, "due to your being a star", is "molestation". Accusing someone of molestation when that literally wasn't the claim is libel and slander. You've clearly intentionally butchered the definition of molestation. Good job on that.

molestation

n. the crime of sexual acts with children up to the age of 18, including touching of private parts, exposure of genitalia, taking of pornographic pictures, rape, inducement of sexual acts with the molester or with other children and variations of these acts by pedophiles. Molestation also applies to incest by a relative with a minor family member and any unwanted sexual acts with adults short of rape.

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1274

Bush: It better not be the publicist. No, it’s, it’s her, it’s —

Bush has the brains of a peanut and is a part of the greedy establishment...or so Democrats used to tell us. Now that he's against Trump, the left is bending the knee to someone they told us was a greedy, stupid war mongering elitist Nazi.

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BRONT(430) Disputed
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Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

That's alot of context you have ommitted. Nevertheless, "they let you do it" literally implies consent. Otherwise they "don't let you do it". So you have defined consent as nonconsent here in Orwellian fashion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/election-us-2016-37595321

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BRONT(430) Disputed
1 point

Tear gas

Yeah there's enough articles out there saying it was a mistake to deny tear gas was used. Even fox news covered that so I'm sure you are aware of that by now.

Bill Barr's testimony and the testimony of many others, contradicts your narrative of orange man bad, seeing Trump had nothing to do with it, so you skipped over that part and skipped to the part you are pretending you can whack Trump with when you can't.

https://youtu.be/DG2s9GEQrk

You've also left out that Obama used tear gas once a month at the southern border. The left tells us acts of that sort are Nazism, so take it however you wish.

-SNOPES

Did the Obama Administration Use Tear Gas Once a Month at the Border?

Conservative web sites accurately presented the frequency of tear gas use during the final five years of Barack Obama's presidency, from 2012 to 2016.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-tear-gas-border-migrants/

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BRONT(430) Disputed
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No. He did NOT put forth a ban. He put forth a restriction that did NOTHING to restrict US citizen's from entering or leaving the country nor did he restrict import.

Because that would be unconstitutional, and the left would have been on him like ants on a hotdog if he had tried. And, China said everything was contained, and the left took China's word as gospel well after this point on the timeline, so according to the left itself, these people would hardly pose any threat. And furthermore, blocking Americans from coming home despite having done anything wrong is very anti liberal. The leftist media would have run nonstop stories about how mean Trump is for not letting Americans come home.

Also, the left now suddenly, after saying right wing protesters "weren't wearing masks", takes the position that protesters are exempt from prosecution during a pandemic after arresting or ticketing mothers in parks, barbers, a surfer, and people who chose to go to church and stay in their vehicles. Let that sink in.

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2020/06/05/manhattan-da-vance-says-low-level-arrests-of-protesters-will-not-be-prosecuted/

WHO declared a global health emergency after the first documented case of person to person in the US on January 30th.

The travel ban on non US citizens was January 31st.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

WHO declared a global health emergency after the first documented case of person to person in the US on January 30th. Before then they warned of it.

The WHO denied human to human contact was possible until January 22nd.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

I notice all of the others you sure didn't have a problem defending him so again I ask, if Obama did all of this, would you have been ok with it?

He did do that. He literally did no travel ban when swine flu infected the populace. Over 60 million Americans were infected. I never made a comment.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/05/04/joe-biden-contain-h1n1-virus-232992

Biden's accuser came out, and I said that he was innocent until proven guilty on this very site.

And concerning sexual misconduct allegations and defenses, I don't think we need to have a debate about the Clintons and the fact the left was dead certain the woman for the job was a woman who viciously attacked Bill's accusers, which completely contradicts the left's new position of #believeallwomen and #metoo, which they seem to have scrapped since Biden has been accused.

When the left point that self righteous finger at Trump while winking at Biden's accusers, civil rights record, Burisma, the unmasking of General Flynn, and the"you aint black" comment, I must say I am fully amused. The left wouldn't care about any of this if Trump were a Democrat. I know this because I just watched them defend equal to worse with Joe Biden and never miss a step.

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Boasted about molesting women?

Supported tear-gassing peaceful protesters so he could get a photo-op in front of a church?

Used the bible as a prop for political gain while other's suffered around him?

Possibly commit felony voter fraud by registering to vote in a state he doesn't live in or have primary residence in?

Encourages his followers to commit assault on protesters while running for President?

Is a raging hypocrite who doesn't follow his own rules or statements?

Downplayed a virus that has caused the death of thousands of american citizens, which could have been reduced if it had been taken seriously?

ADAMANTLY and with fervor responds to any form of mocking faster than responding to ANY actual matters of importance?

We'd takr you position on Biden because none of that has anything to do with fiscal position. And the tear gas is fake news.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/us-park-police-chief-says-no-tear-gas-was-used-washington-dc-protesters-before-trumps-church-1508239?amp=1

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Mint_tea(4439) Disputed
1 point

So.....what I getting from this is you didn't understand the game? You never answered the questions.

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4 points

It stuns me. It's amazing how quickly his supporters are willing to completely overlook ANYTHING they would have bashed someone else for doing.

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I think you could remove the words "would have" in your sentence. This, I assume is your "shortlist". I wouldn't push you for more, it should be enough.

If I may add some of my own I would include broken promises like playing MUCH more golf than his predecessor after he said he would be "To busy in the White House", promising to protect DACA's, promising to protect LGBTQ's, promising to give U.S. a MUCH better, cheaper health care plan (he hasn't even suggested one), Protect the environment (he's KILLING IT!), protect the citizens of the USA, (He's recommended killing THEM), and he DOES bash his predecessor for DOING what HE promised to do!

Then again, he and his followers get all upset when they feel Obama has said "bad thing" about him. I don't THINK Obama has mentioned his NAME once, in his remarks, while HE mentions Obama, derogatively, almost every day. No, NO conservative would put up with a Democrat that did ANY of those things (while he lied, and lied, and lied ..........! :-)

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BurritoLunch(5923) Clarified
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Then again, he and his followers get all upset when they feel Obama has said "bad thing" about him. I don't THINK Obama has mentioned his NAME once, in his remarks, while HE mentions Obama, derogatively, almost every day.

Old Nazi trick. Attack your enemies while you play the victim.

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Mint_tea(4439) Clarified
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I really didn't think CD would have the ability for me to do anything other than a short list. My fav is "draining" the swamp....by filling it up with more crap.

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I blame Obama for everything. Including the current administration and their mistakes ;)

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Nicephorus(49) Disputed
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It stuns me. It's amazing how quickly his supporters are willing to completely overlook ANYTHING they would have bashed someone else for doing

It stuns me that you've never looked in a mirror.

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/New gameIfitwereTrumpwouldyougo_bananas

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When this subject comes up I always think of how THE DONALD used to attack attack attack Obama whenever Obama went golfing. Of course the LIAR in Chief golfs far more than Obama ever did and at MUCH greater expense than Obama ever incurred. Not even close. Anybody who doesn't acknowledge the blatant hypocrisy is a turd.

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This is the same guy that blasted Obama stating it was "weak leadership" for the riots when Obama was President.

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BRONT(430) Disputed
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This is the same guy that blasted Obama stating it was "weak leadership" for the riots when Obama was President.

These are the same Democrats who said cages at the border and using tear gas was Fascism, yet Obama literally built the cages, and used them, and used tear gas over 100 times. See how that bs argument works as if anyone is politically persuaded by it?

SNOPES

Did the Obama Administration Use Tear Gas Once a Month at the Border?

Conservative web sites accurately presented the frequency of tear gas use during the final five years of Barack Obama's presidency, from 2012 to 2016.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-tear-gas-border-migrants/

SNOPES

Did Obama Admin Build Cages That House Immigrant Children at U.S.-Mexico Border?

True

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/

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BRONT(430) Disputed
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Anybody who doesn't acknowledge the blatant hypocrisy is a turd.

Two things are true at once. Trump has said hypocritical things. The left says rallies are coronavirus spreaders while endorsing protests with far more people than any rally.

So what was your point again? That nobody cares about your spitballs? You're correct. Nobody cares. People almost always vote based on fiscal policy and don't vote on hypocrisy. If they did, third party would have won in modern times. They haven't.

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Hamburger(37) Disputed
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When this subject comes up I always think of how THE DONALD used to attack attack attack Obama whenever Obama went golfing. Of course the LIAR in Chief golfs far more than Obama ever did and at MUCH greater expense than Obama ever incurred. Not even close. Anybody who doesn't acknowledge the blatant hypocrisy is a turd.

Ooooooo. You convinced me. Trump has been a hypocrite at some point in his entire life. Let's scrap Capitalism and become a Communist nation tomorrow.

Not gonna happen dude. No one votes because a politician somewhere lied or was a hypocrite somewhere. They vote based on policies, and the left's policies are objectively trash created by the minds of mental midgets. Who wants to vote for a party willing to sacrifice their own cities to mindless nutjobs while arresting mothers for the cardinal sin of taking their kid to the god damned park?

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Trump has been a hypocrite at some point in his entire life.

Trump has been a hypocrite his entire life and you are raping language again.

Not gonna happen dude.

What the fuck do you know about what's going to happen? Shut your fat idiot mouth buddy. I can pretty much guarantee that nobody on this planet gives a rat's ass what you say or think. Not even Trump. He'd discard your stupid ass at a moment's notice.

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Mint_tea(4439) Disputed
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At some point?

No he's been a hypocrite just about every where that matters. Removing an inept man from the Office of President doesn't spiral us into Communism. Those that voted for Trump didn't do it because they liked his policies and he was what was best for the country, they did it because they wanted to hurt those they disagree with, usually Liberals.

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