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The Genesis Account is not told in a literal way
Brontoraptor:
Compare the Adam and Eve story to this seperate dialogue in the Bible:
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Consider Assyria, once a cedar in Lebanon, with beautiful branches overshadowing the forest; it towered on high, its top above the thick foliage.
Ezekiel 31:3
The waters nourished it, deep springs made it grow tall; their streams flowed all around its base and sent their channels to all the trees of the field.
Ezekiel 31:4
So it towered higher than all the trees of the field; its boughs increased and its branches grew long, spreading because of abundant waters.
Ezekiel 31:5
All the birds of the sky nested in its boughs, all the animals of the wild gave birth under its branches; all the great nations lived in its shade.
Ezekiel 31:6
It was majestic in beauty, with its spreading boughs, for its roots went down to abundant waters.
Ezekiel 31:7
The cedars in the garden of God could not rival it, nor could the junipers equal its boughs, nor could the plane trees compare with its branches-- no tree in the garden of God could match its beauty.
Ezekiel 31:8
I made it beautiful with abundant branches, the envy of all the trees of Eden in the garden of God.
It fascinates me how people can point to most any major modern news source and say it's bunk, and can point to any scientists' conclusions and say they're bunk, but then can blindly accept anonymous writing from the Bronze Age as the perfect undeniable truth.
Perhaps, but what amazes us is how a group can think religion is the problem, but want more Muslims here... Which is worse, to have faith in God or to hate faith in God, unless the person is the right liberal skin color?
When you define anyone who doesn't agree with your politics or your vote as partisan you accuse half the world of being your polar opposite on politics.
1) Is abortion wrong? - No. US law allows it, and I agree with the mother's right to choose regarding her own body. Although I would not personally exercise that right to get one.
2) Should we be able to have guns? - Yes. In fact I hold a permit to carry in a state with the 2nd most restrictive laws on it. But I also believe efforts for public safety are not an automatic violation of the 2nd Amendment. We also have safety limits on free speech. We have libel and slander laws and we prosecute people who cause panic and injury by falsely yelling fire in crowded theatres. I think efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals or the mentally ill or children are philosophically and legally justifiable even if the current set of laws or enforcement of those laws aren't perfect.
3) Are white people the problem in the world? - Sometimes, but the problems in the world are too complex to blame them all on one group of people.
4) Are Christianity and Islam the same? - No. If they were the same thing they wouldn't have different names and different followers. They are, however, both Abrahamic in origin.
5) Can Atheists be dogmatic? - Of course. Anyone can be dogmatic. However, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are automatically dogmatic. They could just disagree with you.
6) How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? - Probably just one piece. They've got little arms and they'd get tired. They're more likely to just run away.
How did I do?
I think the only answer that is 100% opposite a mainstream conservative is on #1. All the others are conservative friendly - provided the conservative isn't an absolute my way or the highway kind of conservative. And frankly if someone is my way or the highway I'm going to choose the highway almost every time regardless of their political affiliations.
Nope. These are true answers and they're consistent with past arguments I've made on this site.
But it is true if I was standing at the pearly gates on judgment day I'd rather be in the line diverse with women and minorities and people of every kind of belief than be standing in the other line with white Evangelical Republican men. Some of you would call that getting in line for hell, but to me it's that other line which would be hell.
After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Do you reject Christianity from a lack of knowledge about it Grenache? Have you been listening to NowASaint and dogmatic atheist hacks too long? Don't listen to maniacs from the Theist or Atheist side. Listen to the truth and decide based on the truth.
I embrace all manner of thinking and learning, and the independent free speech that flows from it. Which is why when anyone, from any religion, starts saying their way or the highway, I reject them and choose the highway. And I do not fear one iota that a god worth getting his ass kissed is going to smite me for that, because if he's that type of smiting god then I don't trust the petty bully anyway.
So I embrace the Christians and the Christianity which says love your neighbor, do good things, turn the other cheek, and I proudly stand up and say no of those who say none of that matters.
And I do not fear one iota that a god worth getting his ass kissed is going to smite me for that, because if he's that type of smiting god then I don't trust the petty bully anyway.
As I have said before, these concepts and claims tend to stem from nothing. Christ taught to love everyone and judge no one.
I like both of those. And I don't particularly consider myself a judgmental person - other than the fact that debating on a website most people are going to say some of that by nature of the fact it's competitive debating.
I don't consider most debate in the same category as normal conversation because debaters have openly accepted that they may hear things that they don't like or accept. In real life you have the right to not be engaged in hardcore debate.
that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
I like the first two about loving your neighor. The third really has no connection to that topic. It could have been any quote from elsewhere in the Bible. If that's supposed to mean loving your neighbor isn't enough unless you also believe this other thing then I'm not buying it.
Two trains set out for Albuquerque. The first, from Seattle, is traveling 35 miles an hour and carrying Bibles. The second, from St Louis, is traveling 42 miles an hour and carrying holy water. Which train will get to Abuquerque first? And more importantly why does Albuquerque need entire train loads of Bibles and holy water delivered in a hurry?
You call that an argument? All you did was smear, you did't answer or negate any of my actual agruments.
Do you not, often, reject mainstraim news based on credibility?
Do you not, often, reject science based on credibility?
And do you not, often, side 100% with the Bronze Age "Bible" despite having no real personal way to confirm identities of who said what or the many thousands of stories contained within?
And pointing this out is not liberal. And it's not bigotry. It's argument. It's debate. Get familiar with it, because you're on a debate website Einstein.
Absurd. My direct argument clash with you is five fold what you answer toward my actual arguments. My positions are consistent, not tricks, and not flowing from multiple puppet avatars. I often add links when needed, you only do in your debate launch. You've banned me at least once a week for over a year whereas I've banned you never. And my peers on this site often compliment me for my posts, yet you claim they're nothing but disruptions.
No one, not even you, believe your last post is true.
The fact that all the Liberals on this site try to chase my every debate, and dispute my every word, says it all. They obviously fear my words because my words are obvious truth shining a light on the sick hypocrisy and fanaticism of Liberal agendas.
Liberals would never waste their time stalking obvious lies and deception. They ignore those people.
The truth in my words is showcased a thousnds times when your insecure hatred and fear of my opinions says it all.
There is no need to ban me because I don't stalk your every word with deception and rhetoric. I speak to the facts with many examples proving my points.
I have yet to hear your response to the hypocrisy and double standards of banning the Confederate Flag off pubic land, but allowing Trump's severed head. SILENCE, CRICKETS!
Tell us all how a Southern Flag standing for many things beyond slavery is hate speech, but a severed head of President Trump is not.
Nope. We respond to you vigilantly because you're a dangerous ideologist and we won't let you get away with it.
And I actually did respond on a separate thread about the Trump head. Remember, you have the habit of making the same argument in 3 or 4 different threads. The head was an art project by a faculty member expressing them self. That is not the same as a university commissioning it. And it's completely different from a public servant employee using their city access to on their own display something religious on public land or resources. This is not hypocrisy, it's apples vs oranges. And as for the confederate flag, on separate threads I said it's appropriate on history relevant properties like museums, but it's inappropriate at contemporary government operation sites because it has no legal entity to represent.
Thanks for once again showing why i ban you. You are a hypocrite who will always twist things to try and defend the indefencible.
A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY CHOSE TO DISPLAY THAT SEVERED HEAD OF TRUMP ON THEIR WALLS AND IT MATTERS NOT WHO PAINTED IT!!!!!!!!
Do you actually thinks it matters who made the Confederare Flag or the nativity scene? It matters where they displayed it which in all cases was public land.
It's not apples and oranges and you have once again shown why you are a total waste of time to debate.
I give example after example of the double standards and hypocrisy from the Left, and you sit there spewing complete hogwash denying it.
I'm through here. I can only watse my time talking to deceptive liars just so long.
Let me repeat, you are a complete hypocritical fool lacking the most basic sense of your hideous double standards and hypocrisy! There will never be a painting of Obama's severed head on these Liberal College walls.
Their freedom of expression allows only the art they deem political correct on our tax payer funded public walls.
If it's a Confederate flag, you will never see it on the walls of their pubic buildings. The Liberal Left would riot in the streets, damaging property, burning buildings, at such a thing.
People of all kinds make art, and sell art, and have things to say with their art, and where an audience is interested in seeing it or the community is interested in buying it then you will find it. That includes universities. And NOT just liberal art at liberal universities.
Again I've proven I am not the hypocrite. Again - YOU are.
If the Genesis story is literal, then we have two almost independent creation stories in the first two chapters. Of course this can be explained away through Saints narrow interpretation.
But he also believes in an all powerful god who wants everyone to be in heaven with him, but has paved the way with a book that is so incoherent that you have to be "special" like Saint in order know the actual really really true truth that is undeniable if you are Saint, but not anyone else.
He doesn't preach from a place of reason, thus he can't be reasoned with. You can show him a mirror but he won't see his reflection. Moreover, he isn't here to debate the Bible or its message. He is here to preach his message using the Bible. My advice for a Christian would be to not bother too long with Saint.
ohhhh mercy, I just had a genuine shudder at the sentence but has paved the way with a book that is so incoherent that you have to be "special" like Saint .
I don't think anyone can be "special" like him.
I also don't believe the Bible should be taken literally. I think it's a collection of amazing stories and history with it's core being that of teaching Christian life and belief.
Here we have the friend of witches chiming in. The Bible is against witchcraft in any form. This friend of witches is a deceiver unqualified to speak of the Bible.
Pagans. I have a few friends who are Pagans. Not all Pagans are witches, though one is but that would be singular witch and not plural.
But hey, I don't believe a person bloated on their own ego and pride is qualified to speak of the Bible so forgive me if I don't care what you think is qualified or not.
You have a right to your beliefs as do we all. When people start insulting other's religious beliefs (as if the bigoted Left has the answers to life) is when those intolerant closed minded non inclusive Leftists become idiots.
You have a right to your beliefs as well. BUT, and I say this while shaking my head and laughing a little........ I mean seriously....if you don't like people insulting you for your religious beliefs why do you then go about insulting them for their political beliefs? How is THAT not intolerant, closed minded, non-inclusive and idiotic of you? You certainly don't have all the answers either my friend.
The things I speak to are manifesting themselves before our eyes in the here and now.
I do not make up the inhumanity of the Left when they support No Restriction abortions.
I don't make up the political correct activism going on in the Democrat party. Everything I say is happening before our eyes. It's not debatable, IT'S HAPPENING JUST AS I AM SAYING IT IS HAPPENING.
We have a Democrat Party forcing every State to change their marriage laws. We have a Democrat Party tryng to force every public school to allow boys in our daughter's bathrooms.
We have a Democrat party fanning the flames of racial tensions all to get votes.
I'm insulting the truthful attacks on every American's freedoms to disagree with your ideology.
How is it intolerant to speak the OBVIOUS truth to what is happening before our eyes today!
I am not insulting you for your religious or non religious beliefs!
We have a Democrat Party forcing every State to change their marriage laws. We have a Democrat Party trying to force every public school to allow boys in our daughter's bathrooms.
We have you trying to force your belief and disdain for things on others because it goes against what YOU want. The difference is, the Democratic party and even those in the Republican, want rights for ALL, not just who you agree with.
You absolutely hate it when people sneer and spit on Religion and in that I agree with you. I hate it when people paint others with a broad brush but you do the same thing with a person's party affiliation. How can you justify that?
Each party pushes what they want, there is no doubt of that, but if you want to say or suggest you're better, you need to act better. Until then, when you bash someone for their political belief you can not act the victim when they bash you for your religious.
You can not be that dense. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR MY RIGHTS TO DISSAGREE WITH THE LEFT WING'S POLITCAL CORRECT FIXATIONS.
I nor Conservatives are trying to force anything on the Left. We fight to keep people in the Democrat Party from TRANSFORMING AMERICA as Obama and the Democrat Party are trying to do.
Our States should have kept their freedoms to keep their own marriage laws however the people decide.
We have every right to run our public school bathroom policies the way the tax payers in those communities decide.
For you to try to say both sides do the same thing is ludicrous and the typical deception from the Left.
I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR MY RIGHTS TO DISSAGREE WITH THE LEFT WING'S POLITCAL CORRECT FIXATIONS.
Where did I say you didn't? You have the right to disagree, heck with the freedom of speech you can even sneer and call others names like you are so keen to do. But again, you are difficult to take seriously when you cry that people insult your religious belief......while you go about insulting their political belief. The hypocrisy from that is palpable.
What are Christians doing to you in this nation? How on Earth could any decent human being find fault and constantly ridicule Christians for their beliefs?
When I and other Conservatives insult Liberals, IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE STEALING OUR FREEDOMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE HAVE A REASON FOR INSULTING THEM! THEY ARE TRYING TO FORCE US ALL TO BOW TO THEIR BIG BROTHER POLITCAL CORRECT IDEOLOGY!
IS ANY OF THIS GETTNG THROUGH TO YOU?
NAH, YOU ARE A LIBERAL WHO LACKS THE MOST BASIC ABILITY TO DISCERN THE OBVIOUS TRUTH TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS NATION.
Let me waste one last post explaining the obvious, and then I will ignore you.
It's called live and let live. it's called stop telling other people what their bathroom policies must be!
It's called get out of our bathrooms, get out of our marriage laws, get out of our gun cabinet, get out of our paychecks forcing us to pay to kill unborn babies, get out of our Churches telling us who we must hire or who we must marry, get out of our family owned businesses telling us who we must cater, get out of our freedoms to display nativity scenes, get out of our public Colleges where you indoctrinate our students by displaying the severed head of President Trump, etc. etc. etc.
You have the nerve to equate insults against those who would force their will on our lives, versus insulting the vast majority of Christians who just want to be left alone to their beliefs.
Just about everything you just posted, proved my point. Focus on the main point given, you are a hypocrite. You whine about people attacking you for your belief and you attack others for theirs. You confuse the differences between being left alone to your beliefs (which is fine) and using those beliefs to hold others back. But I'm glad you wasted your last post on this.
First you have to admit that you do not deserve to live, you have sinned against God and deserve to die and deserve all of His punishment. This is reasonable, you are being unreasonable trying to excuse yourself by implying God is not good, so it is okay for you not to be good.
There is no argument against the truth. The reason you are unable to reason with me is that you are in denial of the truth, and that denial is against your own life......you are opposing yourself.
My advice for anybody reading this is: Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful (like Amarel does). But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in his law doth he meditate both day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither, and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgement, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous; but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
The accounts are one story, they are complimentary to each other......you got it, your ignorance is easily answered.
I do not believe in an all powerful god, I know God who is eternal is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient.
You believe you are as good or better than God, you believe you are a god equal to the gods you rightly insist are not God.
And God does want everybody in Heaven with Him, but most people like you would rather burn in Hell forever than have God telling them what they should or should not do....and because God is good, He will give you what you want, and because He loves you He is reluctant to let you have it so He gives you time in which you might come to your senses and realize you do not have the right to live, or to exist outside of Hell, and you might seek His mercy through faith in the blood He shed to cover the sins of all who come to Him believing He conquered death and asking for His mercy.
God is reasonable, and more than fair He is merciful. He is just, and you insist you do not need His mercy so you will remain in your sin, dying, condemned. You are not being reasonable, you are losing your argument, you can't win going against God, you can't win scorning the blood God shed for your sins so your sins can be covered.....you're losing and if you keep going your own way all will be lost and you can't blame God for giving you what you want; your own way.
Not sure what all of that has to do with the topic at hand. You accused me of being a heretic, and I showed an example that proves you 100% wrong in your assessment. Would you like to apologize to me so that I can forgive your sin?
You still haven't responded to my rebuttal Saint. You can start a thread and apologize, or you can address my debate thread about your false claim. You choose.
The blatant absurdity of parts of the Bible cannot be rationalized by advancing the preposterous theory, after some 2000 years, that they were only meant to be a representative allegory of some hidden spiritual meaning which transcends the literal sense of the original text.
Where in the scriptures does it say, or even suggest that it's content is being presented only as an analogy of the true meaning of the Christian message which is, apparently shrouded in mystery, and should not be taken literally?
What are the real and true messages of Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark and all the other ''ALLEGORICAL'' biblical passages?
Let's have a logical and accurate translation from 'ALLEGORY'' to what was really meant.
Where in the scriptures does it say, or even suggest that it's content is being presented only as an analogy
"These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar."
Galations 4:24
"The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"
The Bible is one big book of metaphors and it's readers should not take the implied meaning of it's text literally.
Is that like telling a parking warden who is issuing you with a ticket to go forth and multiply, or is that an euphemism?
And the Lord saith, go forth and speak in metaphors and spread confusion throughout the lands.
Those who are incapable of deciphering the book of sacred metaphors into their true meaning will be condemned to being thrown onto the fiery furnace where they will have their arse burnt for eternity, fuguritively speaking of course.
You actually have to prove me wrong to... prove me wrong. What you have done is made a fool of yourself. The story you are talking about has 3 men being thrown into a literal furnace by a king on planet Earth, and has nothing to do with "eternal punishment" or "hell". Your argument is awful.
You are done with me because you have no rebuttal and know nothing about the Bible. Your "lack of belief" is based on ignorance. At least know what you are talking about before going unhinged. I debate Muslims on other sites because I am actually well versed on the words of the Quran, Sunna and the hadith.