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Debate Score:71
Arguments:80
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The Genesis Account is not told in a literal way


Brontoraptor:

Compare the Adam and Eve story to this seperate dialogue in the Bible:

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Consider Assyria, once a cedar in Lebanon, with beautiful branches overshadowing the forest; it towered on high, its top above the thick foliage.
Ezekiel 31:3

The waters nourished it, deep springs made it grow tall; their streams flowed all around its base and sent their channels to all the trees of the field.
Ezekiel 31:4

So it towered higher than all the trees of the field; its boughs increased and its branches grew long, spreading because of abundant waters.
Ezekiel 31:5

All the birds of the sky nested in its boughs, all the animals of the wild gave birth under its branches; all the great nations lived in its shade.
Ezekiel 31:6

It was majestic in beauty, with its spreading boughs, for its roots went down to abundant waters. 
Ezekiel 31:7

The cedars in the garden of God could not rival it, nor could the junipers equal its boughs, nor could the plane trees compare with its branches-- no tree in the garden of God could match its beauty. 
Ezekiel 31:8

I made it beautiful with abundant branches, the envy of all the trees of Eden in the garden of God. 
Ezekiel 31:9

Is this passage literal? Of course not...
 
               

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4 points

It fascinates me how people can point to most any major modern news source and say it's bunk, and can point to any scientists' conclusions and say they're bunk, but then can blindly accept anonymous writing from the Bronze Age as the perfect undeniable truth.

Side: True
1 point

Hello G:

Wow.. I really LIKE the way you said that..................

excon

Side: True
1 point

Perhaps, but what amazes us is how a group can think religion is the problem, but want more Muslims here... Which is worse, to have faith in God or to hate faith in God, unless the person is the right liberal skin color?

Side: False
Grenache(6053) Clarified
4 points

I'm not a liberal, or a Democrat. You keep debating the stereotype of whom you think your opponent is instead of the individual.

Side: True
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Grenache(6053) Disputed
3 points

You call that an argument? All you did was smear, you did't answer or negate any of my actual agruments.

Do you not, often, reject mainstraim news based on credibility?

Do you not, often, reject science based on credibility?

And do you not, often, side 100% with the Bronze Age "Bible" despite having no real personal way to confirm identities of who said what or the many thousands of stories contained within?

And pointing this out is not liberal. And it's not bigotry. It's argument. It's debate. Get familiar with it, because you're on a debate website Einstein.

Side: True
1 point

If the Genesis story is literal, then we have two almost independent creation stories in the first two chapters. Of course this can be explained away through Saints narrow interpretation.

But he also believes in an all powerful god who wants everyone to be in heaven with him, but has paved the way with a book that is so incoherent that you have to be "special" like Saint in order know the actual really really true truth that is undeniable if you are Saint, but not anyone else.

He doesn't preach from a place of reason, thus he can't be reasoned with. You can show him a mirror but he won't see his reflection. Moreover, he isn't here to debate the Bible or its message. He is here to preach his message using the Bible. My advice for a Christian would be to not bother too long with Saint.

Side: True
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
2 points

ohhhh mercy, I just had a genuine shudder at the sentence but has paved the way with a book that is so incoherent that you have to be "special" like Saint .

I don't think anyone can be "special" like him.

I also don't believe the Bible should be taken literally. I think it's a collection of amazing stories and history with it's core being that of teaching Christian life and belief.

Side: True
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Here we have the friend of witches chiming in. The Bible is against witchcraft in any form. This friend of witches is a deceiver unqualified to speak of the Bible.

Side: True
FromWithin(8241) Clarified
-3 points
NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

First you have to admit that you do not deserve to live, you have sinned against God and deserve to die and deserve all of His punishment. This is reasonable, you are being unreasonable trying to excuse yourself by implying God is not good, so it is okay for you not to be good.

There is no argument against the truth. The reason you are unable to reason with me is that you are in denial of the truth, and that denial is against your own life......you are opposing yourself.

My advice for anybody reading this is: Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful (like Amarel does). But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in his law doth he meditate both day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither, and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgement, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous; but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Amen.

Side: False
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

The accounts are one story, they are complimentary to each other......you got it, your ignorance is easily answered.

I do not believe in an all powerful god, I know God who is eternal is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient.

You believe you are as good or better than God, you believe you are a god equal to the gods you rightly insist are not God.

And God does want everybody in Heaven with Him, but most people like you would rather burn in Hell forever than have God telling them what they should or should not do....and because God is good, He will give you what you want, and because He loves you He is reluctant to let you have it so He gives you time in which you might come to your senses and realize you do not have the right to live, or to exist outside of Hell, and you might seek His mercy through faith in the blood He shed to cover the sins of all who come to Him believing He conquered death and asking for His mercy.

God is reasonable, and more than fair He is merciful. He is just, and you insist you do not need His mercy so you will remain in your sin, dying, condemned. You are not being reasonable, you are losing your argument, you can't win going against God, you can't win scorning the blood God shed for your sins so your sins can be covered.....you're losing and if you keep going your own way all will be lost and you can't blame God for giving you what you want; your own way.

Side: True
1 point

Not sure what all of that has to do with the topic at hand. You accused me of being a heretic, and I showed an example that proves you 100% wrong in your assessment. Would you like to apologize to me so that I can forgive your sin?

Side: False
1 point

Both accounts are wholly wrong.

The blatant absurdity of parts of the Bible cannot be rationalized by advancing the preposterous theory, after some 2000 years, that they were only meant to be a representative allegory of some hidden spiritual meaning which transcends the literal sense of the original text.

Where in the scriptures does it say, or even suggest that it's content is being presented only as an analogy of the true meaning of the Christian message which is, apparently shrouded in mystery, and should not be taken literally?

What are the real and true messages of Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark and all the other ''ALLEGORICAL'' biblical passages?

Let's have a logical and accurate translation from 'ALLEGORY'' to what was really meant.

Side: False
3 points

Where in the scriptures does it say, or even suggest that it's content is being presented only as an analogy

"These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar."

Galations 4:24

"The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"

Matthew 13:10

Side: True
1 point

dupe *

Side: True
1 point

Noah and the Ark is an allegory for the end of the world. I presented it to you in the other debate. You had no response.

Side: True

JESUS:

"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man."

Luke 17:26

THE PARABLES OF JESUS

http://swapmeetdave.com/Bible/Parables/

Side: True
Antrim(1287) Disputed
1 point

Ah, I get it now.

The Bible is one big book of metaphors and it's readers should not take the implied meaning of it's text literally.

Is that like telling a parking warden who is issuing you with a ticket to go forth and multiply, or is that an euphemism?

And the Lord saith, go forth and speak in metaphors and spread confusion throughout the lands.

Those who are incapable of deciphering the book of sacred metaphors into their true meaning will be condemned to being thrown onto the fiery furnace where they will have their arse burnt for eternity, fuguritively speaking of course.

Side: False