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 Now Democrats expect tax payers to pay for sex change drugs & operations for Transgender! (19)

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Now Democrats expect tax payers to pay for sex change drugs & operations for Transgender!

As I said would happen, it is now the Transgender's turn to be front and center on our political stage as Democrats want to force their fixations on us all. It just keeps getting worse and worse. Will this radical ideolog of a President ever finish his term. He is literally destroying America by spending us into oblivion, paying for abortions, birth cntrol, sex change operations, etc. You woud think our nation was not 20 Trillion in debt!

Obama wants us to pay for veterans who have decided they are no longer men, and want tax payers to pay for their sex change costs. Obama proved for years that he could care less about our VA centers and all the scandals but now that he has a chance to once more push his LGBT fixation on all Americans, it is priority one!

You just cant make this stuff up and the people who vote for these extremists will vote for Hillary and put the nail in our nation's coffin.

Lets see, we have all sorts of dysfunctional people in this nation who do not feel good about themselves and we as tax payers are suppose to pay for their dysfunctions on their say so. We are suppose to just believe everything they say and give them money to turn themselves into something they are not? GET A BRAIN!

There are many types of elective surgeries that health plans do not cover because they are not an emergency or health problem requiring medical attention. IT COSTS TOO MUCH TO COVER EVERYTHING AND ESPECIALLY WEIRD ELECTIVE SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS.

Remember Bruce Jenner when he was a man and won all those medals in the olympics as a man against other men? He could not have won those medals against other men if he were a woman. Women are not as physically strong as men! HE'S A MAN!
If he has mental disorders where he thinks he is a woman, he can pay for all the operations and drugs required to make him something he is not.

Many people who have anorexia believe they are fat even when they are skinny. Are Democrats becoming such fools that they might even force tax payer's to pay for a skinny person to have surgery to make themselves look skinnier? Sound crazy? This is no different than paying for sex change operations for men who think they are women. THEY HAVE ISSUES! You don't force tax payers to pay for their issues!

The Democrat party has truly become the party of political correct extremism!
-FromWithin
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I agree with part of your argument but not all.

I DO think it's BS to expect taxpayers to foot the bill so these confused freaks of nature can do the hormonal or physiological version of a little girl playing dress-up, or a freakin' tranny in a San Francisco musical. LOL.

But you're wrong about Obama not caring for veterans. I am a vet. I use the VA all the time. I am aware that he has budgeted billions to the VA during his administration.

Make no mistake, I am nobody's Obama fan, in fact I fairly detested him as a POTUS, he's probably not that bad a guy, he just got in way over his head, that's all.

But give the man his due, he has been by and large a friend to us veterans. ON that issue I cannot criticize the man.

Hope this helps.

SS

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As usual FromWithin doesn't provide any evidence to back up his claims.

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If you are of the opinion that being transgender is a mental illness, then you should know that this then means that transition is the most successful treatment for the gender disphoria as assessed by the APA. If there is universal healthcare, then it follows that the main treatment for any condition should be covered. The contention here actually should have nothing to do with transgender identity, but with universal healthcare. Of course, that assumes rationality rather than bigoted ignorance...

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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As usual, you must be too scared to post on the original debate instead of this copied debate. You don't want a response, you just want to insult!

Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
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You don't want a response, you just want to insult!

Similar to how you don't want to debate, you just want to insult!

Jace(5222) Disputed
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I have no issue defending my views, but your propensity for banning people from your debates to avoid doing so is precisely why I no longer post on your debates.

And of the two of us, you are the only one who actually made a personal attack. My comments were restricted to the nature of your remarks, and did not replace actual argumentation.

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then you should know that this then means that transition is the most successful treatment for the gender disphoria as assessed by the APA.

Haven't we seen a whole bunch of transgenders regret the change?

Jace(5222) Disputed
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Hardly. There are some people who regret the transition, but my understanding is that this number is considerably smaller than the failure rate for many other medical procedures and treatments that are commonly covered by insurance policies. It seems to me that informed consent should be an adequate standard for transition treatment if that standard is similarly adequate for other medical procedures which are covered.

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Actually its not a disorder. Its a Gender Dysphoria. (Dysphoria means a dissatisfaction, so gender dysphoria is a dissatisfaction of gender.) If you find it in the The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, It is only "Diagnosable" so these trans people can get there insurance to cover treatments. (Valid treatments for these people is to go threw with sex changes and hormone therapy so they may change to their desired gender)

So yes it is a Dysphoria and if you say it "needs to be treated" then you are encouraging people who aren't happy with their gender, to change gender.

And this DSM-5 is written by the American Psychiatric Association (one that is highly respected and the leader in Psychology)

Heres the link to the Pdf of the Page: http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

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Actually, by its inclusion in the DSM-5 gender dysphoria is a clinical disorder. Dysphoria also does not mean mere dissatisfaction, and a diagnosis requires "clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" (from your own source). Consequently, GD does not actually cover all transgender people since not all transgender people meet the requirements for GD.

The GD classification may have been partially retained to promote access to insurance coverage, but it is rather naive to think that this is the only reason transgender identity remains pathologized. It is also an obstacle to coverage for non-binary transgender people, because the language it uses is binarist.

As for the credibility of the APA... all I will say is that prominence and popularity are not the true determinants of a legitimate body. Both the DSM and the APA have been heavily criticized throughout their history.

Jupiter(116) Clarified
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Yes that is true about the DSM definition of dysphoria but if you look into it, the only reason its hard for people like that to function is because they are considered differently in society.

I have seen many times people just lumping all Trans people into the "insane" and into the term pedophile and sexual offenders when they aren't. They function perfectly normal, A lot of the time hiding the way they feel or just conforming to society's wish of them to shun those thoughts. I myself date a female who considers themselves as a man, and usually he just doesn't use the public restroom and he has been yelled at, been told their going to hell, that they're an abomination.

Which isn't right. its not. Ive had people say that if they ever see a trans going into the bathroom they are identifying with then they will assault them.

And if stuff like that didn't exist then those social problems wouldn't arise.

Used to it was illegal to be gay and technically they had a "sexuality dysphoria" because they couldn't function like they could today. Doesn't mean people like that are insane, aren't as intelligent as you or me, or cant have reason, have a sense of self, or be logical. They understand right and wrong.

Treating these people as lower or unethically because of that inert feeling isn't right. Pedophiles and sexual offenders are that regardless of sexual orientation or if they are trans.

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The reason it costs so much is because doctors are cranking up the price of services and medication. You owe vets who have fought and put their lives at risk while you stayed safe at home a lot. The least you can do is let them cut off their balls if they feel they should be a different gender. The real issue here is pharmaceutical and medical corruption. Iran already does this. Doctors who live at home, in a city which has access to whatever they need, and only have skills to work as a doctor are not making any sacrifices, despite what you may think.

Ignoramis(381) Clarified
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However, that argument might not even be true because I cannot find a source.

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I do not know the current state of affairs in Iran, but when I last checked the state did fund transition for transgender people. This is because it is viewed as bringing the soul of the person into alignment with the body, and has a strong religious aspect to it which can be somewhat problematic for transgender people who do not want to transition.

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male veterans should not be transgender anyways, they are violent and have killed people. women should not even be in the military and should not have killed people. women should not be killers that's what men are for. women don't need to kill women just need to be taken care of. women should not become men that join the military. men that join the military should not become women. women should just be innocent and peaceful.

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women should not be people killers. military men should not become women that were people killers.

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I know, that's really not fair. You had to work two jobs and save your pennies to get yours...

(ba du dum)