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Obama's comment when asked when life began, "That's above my pay-grade"

McCain- "At the time of conception"

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I would have said that it's actually a good answer if I hadn't read that transcript... wtf?

great job at avoiding the topic by bullshitting and saying you answered it.

it's not that he avoided it... he bullshitted. that's what i hate.

Side: So Wrong
Meghan(51) Disputed
2 points

The whole point is that there is no "good" answer when discussing abortion. No matter what answer given, someone is going to claim that it's wrong. That's why Pro-Choice is just that, CHOICE. Supporting everyones right to make that decision to choose based on what they feel is a good answer. Any politician who supports choice, shouldn't give an answer as to why. Because how he feels about it DOESN'T matter. It's how EACH individual person living the choice feels about it. That's the whole point!

Side: Good Point
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
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but what he said right after the "pay grade" thing is what proved that he's trying to bullshit people like me. i find it very disrespectful. if had stopped at the pay grade part, i would have actually thought to myself "excellent answer".

Side: So Wrong
xaeon(1093) Disputed
1 point

"...I am pro-choice. I believe in Roe v. Wade and come to that conclusion not because I'm pro-abortion, but because ultimately I don't think women make these decisions casually. They wrestle with these things in profound ways. In consultation with their pastors or spouses or their doctors and their family members."

How is that a bullshit answer?

Side: Good Point
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
1 point

he just said he's for Roe v. Wade but not pro-abortion... nuff said.

Side: So Wrong
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Obama, Obama, Obama...

You poor, idiotic, man!

What job is above YOUR pay-grade (when it comes to these topics)

You should have a platform....NOT just brush the question off!!!!

McCain (the only voice of reason) answered, "At the time of conception." a firm response, something Obama doesn't know how to do (poor sap)

Can you believe this! It's appaling!!!! ugh Obama...what are you saying???? You don't know enough about anything to take a side on when life begins???? Have some guts, man!

Side: So Wrong
xaeon(1093) Disputed
4 points

It's a shame that you didn't manage to read the rest of the quote, in which he set out exactly what his position is:

"...but point number two, I am pro-choice. I believe in Roe v. Wade and come to that conclusion not because I'm pro-abortion, but because ultimately I don't think women make these decisions casually. They wrestle with these things in profound ways. In consultation with their pastors or spouses or their doctors and their family members. And so for me, the goal right now should be -- and this is where i think we can find common ground. And by the way i have now inserted this into the democrat party platform is how do we reduce the number of abortions, because the fact is that although we've had a president who is opposed to abortions over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down."

Whoops. Maybe you should try attacking complete quotes rather than bastardizing them and making yourself look silly.

Side: Good Point

I'm sorry to say this but this is her MO...she's only 14 yrs of age, what can one expect? Repubgirl has now changed her profile but if you read her stuff you shall see through it. Thanks for letting her know what I've been trying to get across.

Side: Good Point
repubgal(336) Disputed
1 point

Sorry, I kinda expected you to KNOW what he said.....It's called summarizing!

What I asked gave the general basis of what Obama said...

Side: So Wrong
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To hear you tell it repubgal there isn't a Democrat alive worth anything! I've gone back and entertained myself with several of your writings! Barack Obama is no idiot and he has all the guts he needs to answer the question honestly. When life begins is a scientific question that gets mixed in with morality and religion. McCain is only the voice of reason because you agree with him! It would never occur to you that the problem needs much more than a pat answer.

Side: Yes you ARE so wrong
repubgal(336) Disputed
0 points

It's kind of sad that you have nothing better to do with your time than to read my debates. Hmmm, makes me want to question how highly I should value your opinion. I do support some Democrats (read my debate concerning the Arizona Governor) I disagree with you. When life begins is NOT a scientific question, it is one of morals and belief. Duh! Just because I'm opinionated does not mean you have any right to discredit me. You think Obama is so smart? Prove it. Yup, I want to see it in black and white. He gave an idiotic answer, and dodged the answer all together. He has no guts. No, I am NOT a big supporter of McCain. I am forced to choose the lesser of two evils in this election. So terribly sad! Of course I agree with him. Duh AGAIN!

Odviously you are going to be a little pest who tries to point out the odvious while dodging the real question. Honestly, why I even replied is a mystery. I'll be sure to go waste my time by reading your other responses on here. Please, my friend, give me reason to even respond to you. I wish you were capable of making a point. Sigh.

Hmm wonder if you have the nerve to respond?

That's right. I want to challenge you. The fact that you think I am so wrong does somehow intrigue me...

Side: So Wrong
RevFred(349) Disputed
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He brushed it off because it is not something he is going to change. He will leave Roe v. Wade as it stands, as he should. And as far as McCain being the voice of reason, tell me this: How is a newly fertilized egg any more life than one of the millions of sperm swimming towards it minutes before? Sperms aren't life? How are you defining life?

Side: Good Point
repubgal(336) Disputed
1 point

Being a Christian, I strongly believe God has a specific purpose for this egg in particular...Honestly, this question comes down to whether or not your a Christian....

Side: So Wrong
4 points

First of all if you google this you can easily find the transcript of this interview and read the ENTIRE quote, "WELL, I THINK THAT WHETHER YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A THEOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE OR A SCIENTIFIC

PERSPECTIVE, ANSWERING THAT QUESTION WITH SPECIFICITY, YOU KNOW, IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. BUT LET ME JUST SPEAK MORE GENERALLY ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ABORTION BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTRY WRESTLES WITH. ONE THING THAT I'M ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED OF IS THERE IS A MORAL AND ETHICAL CONTENT TO THIS ISSUE."

What kind of person would claim to be able to answer a questions that most professional doctors and scientists whose pay grade IT IS in, can't even answer without debate? That quote is just another desperate attempt to pick apart Obama. Of course they couldn't question the quote in it's entirety because it makes to much sense.

Supporting Evidence: Transcript (rickwarrennews.com)
Side: Good Point

I agree Meghan...100%!!! What Obama said is better known as a quip many people use when they are asked something and the answer is a tough one. Abortion IS a very topical but extraordinarily sensitive and volatile topic as it has been since Roe V. Wade was decided. This will take much thought as he weighs the moral issues, ethical issues and what people want and don't want. There's no easy answer but the best answer, in my opinion, IS Pro-Choice with some limitations.

Side: Good Point
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If only all us pro-abortion types had been aborted.

Side: Good Point
1 point

I have a lot more respect for him because of this answer, I have a different opinion on this issue than a lot of people, McCain does not support the freedom for me to have my rights, and at least Obama does not want to take my rights away. All I want is to be able to think what I want and not be told that I am wrong on a matter of opinion by some politician. McCain may have a solid answer for this, that's what scares me, his certainty that he knows what it good for everyone else.

Side: Good Point
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Life begins at conception. Where else would it begin? And I think that we should treat life more sacredly and stop the increasing figure of abortion cases every day.

Side: Good Point
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Oops! See, I read a few comments and thought I knew what was going on. Shame on me! Now that I read the actual qoute let's try this again.

I thought it was creationism vs. evolution, but it's about abortion.

Basically he's was exactly right. I love how people that have never had to face such a difficult decision love to demonize these women struggling with such a tragic thing. He was exactly right, each situation is different and that's something only the mother can decide. It is not anyone elses place to decide for them. Actual doctors, who studied biology for like a decade and are for the most part a lot mor intelligent than the average Joe to start with, have a general consensus when life as we define it begins. And so that is the law, and if god doesn't like it he should really come down here and tell us himself instead of relying on these foaming-at-the-mouth evangelists.

At any rate, as I said in another debate, making abortion illegal doesn't stop abortions anyway, it just kills more mothers who get the operations done in basements instead of hospitals.

Side: Good Point