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Debate Score:39
Arguments:28
Total Votes:42
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Ohio bus driver punches girl: Was he justified?

Recently in Ohio, a bus driver punched a teenage girl who was reportedly taunting him throughout the journey. He then threw her off the bus. After the incident, much fuss was raised on the bus about how the driver attacked a female in particular, to which he responded: "If she wants to be a man, I'll treat her like a man."

Was the bus driver justified in his use of physical force? If women want the same rights as men, should they also accept a man using the same physical force against women as men? Can violence from a man to a woman ever be justified?

Video found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J-dRSqJRI_Y

I must admit, debate aside, that driver has one hell of an uppercut. He went fucking Captain Falcon on her ass.

Yes he was

Side Score: 25
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No he wasn't

Side Score: 14
2 points

If she was being seriously annoying then yes, he was justified.

I sometimes joke that guys shouldn't hit girls, but honestly, girls need to suck it up. We always complain about equal rights, and then start spewing crap about deserving softer treatment. We should be aiming for an equal world.

Side: Yes he was
2 points

It was a grown adult man hitting a minor. It doesn't even matter what gender she was, it was wrong. I get that she was annoying but mouthing off to someone is nowhere near as wrong as punching them that hard in the face. A grown man should have more self-control.

Side: No he wasn't
PointProven3(2) Disputed
2 points

She was 25 years old, actually. She was a grown woman as well.

Side: Yes he was
2 points

HELL YEAH HE WAS. THAT LIL BITCH SPIT ON HIM AND WAS REAPETEDLY PUNCHING HIM. IF I WAS HIM I WOULD HAVE BEAT HER ASS TOO. I WOULDNT GIVE 2 FUCKS IF I GOT FIRED. SHE GOT WHAT SHE DESERVED SHE NEVER SHOULD HAVE SPIT ON HIM AND OR HIT HIM...SO THATS WHAT THE FUCK SHE GETS.

Side: Yes he was
2 points

Erm... are you OK ?

Side: Yes he was
1 point

Way to go Chuck! I tried the link but it appears you broke the internet.

Side: Yes he was
Hellno(17753) Disputed
2 points

Well my second attempt worked. WOW! He really let her have it... I'd love to say she had it coming but there's no excuse for hitting a minor unless someone was being attacked physically first. Sad thing is that nothing would probably ever happened to the idiot girl. (secretly I did do a little Ha Ha! though.)

Side: No he wasn't

Way to go Chuck! I tried the link but it appears you broke the internet.

What can I say... I'm that awesome ;)

Side: Yes he was
1 point

I admit he took it WAY too far with all the choking and hair-pulling, and I think there are other ways to go about that kind of situation, but I understand why he did it and I think she deserved to get hit. I don't typically condone violence against Women, and I think I'd never put hands on a Woman. But on the other hand, if Men and Women are going to be considered equals, and given equal rights, then we shouldn't give Women special treatment for being Women. Common sense dictates that if you hit somebody, they will hit you back. She spit on the man and hit him first, and I think the uppercut was well deserved. Of course Society frowns on Men hitting Women, but I don't think it's fair that a Woman can spit and beat on a Man, and get away with it because she's a female and he can't hit her back. If you want to step to a Man, than be prepared to be treated like one.

Side: Yes he was
1 point

First off shes not a teen as some of you suggest. Second she attacked him first. His reaction was a little excessive, but that doesn't mean it was wrong. You can here in the background shes a girl, shes a girl. Women want equal rights and then act like oh, i didn't really mean it when it goes out of hand. Every guy knows if you try to punch another guy, you can expect a punch back. Women today know that most man would not dare to hit them(including me), and they abuse it a lot. And this nonsense "its never ok to hit a women" is complete bullshit. If she tried doing that to a MALE cop she would have here skull smashed and we wouldn't even have this discussion.

Side: Yes he was
1 point

In the video she grabbed at him and spit at him. When attacked it is acceptable to use force to defend yourself .It may have been too much but how to you know what is to come when you a attacked.....

Side: Yes he was
1 point

The police report can be found here at the bottom of the page:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/cleveland_bus_driver_punches_p.html

as you can see, she is NOT a minor (25yrs old). Not only that, but she assaulted him first. He was justified in defending himself from further attack (and by the way, she continued to fight him). I think the question should be did he use excessive force.

Side: Yes he was
1 point

I will say yes especially if the girl was looking for trouble or a fight.Though i have to admit he used way to much force.I mean come on the girl was taunting him and he is driving if he gets distracted he might hit a car.The idea that guys cant hit girls is bullshit when the girl attacks you for no reason.I got into the same situation in grade school there was this girl she keeps on annoying me hitting me and every boy in class wont hit her cause shes a girl.I decided do take a stand i punched her square in the face GAME OVER BITCHES.

Side: Yes he was
1 point

I say he is justified because if u watch the video she reaches over and hit the man before he gets up.. and shes a grown woman at the age of 25 so. She should have known what happens when u strike someone

Side: Yes he was
2 points

I AGREE. THATS WHAT THE FUCK SHE GET. NOT ONLY DIDD SHE HIT HIM FIRST...SHE SPIT ON HIM. I MEAN COME ON NOW THATS THE NASTIEST THING YOU CAN DO TO SOMEONE. THEN SHE HIT HIM LIKE HE WASNT GONNA DO ANYTHING. I DONT BLAME HIM FOR BEATIN THE SHIT OUT OF HER. THATS WHAT SHE GETS. Kdpatterson JUST LIKE YOU SAID SHES A GROWN WOMAN. WHAT I THINK IS THAT WHAT EVER THE PROBLEM WAS SHE COULD HAVE DID IT THE RIGHT WAY AND TALKED IT OUT. BUT INSTEAD SHE WANTED TO BE ALL TOUGH AND HIT HIM...SO IN CONCLUSION SHE GOT HER ASS BEAT.HEHE

Side: Yes he was
1 point

Bah, bitches be complaining that they want equal rights. Give them to them! I'm sorry but all this shit about "we're not objects, treats us like people, we're just the same as you!" Well fine, that doesn't mean because you're a woman you get special treatment. Besides, she's tormenting him, she deserved it. I don't see how she can expect to taunt a man who's bringing her to her destination and not be punished! I understand why people may be shocked that he punched her, a little extreme. But I refer to my previous point, the same thing happens between two guys, it's normal :)

Side: Yes he was
1 point

Women want equality, the reaction would be much different if the bus drier had hit a man.

Side: Yes he was
3 points

He was justified in using appropriate force to remove her, including punching if necessary. What he did was in no way necessary (as impressive as it was). He hit her way too hard (which would be true for either gender), and she only properly starting laying into him after he had done this.

Side: No he wasn't

He would have been justified if he had just kicked her off the bus, but instead he choose to uppercut her and literally throw her off the bus. That was beyond excessive, especially given that she was a minor.

Side: No he wasn't
1 point

Justified in socially acceptable terms? God no. It's not okay to hit a girl, let alone a young girl, just because she's a bitch.

I mean, I know how tempting it can be to hit people who are bothering you a lot. I've gotten violent with other males over annoyance (often paired with physical stuff, not just verbal annoyance). But hitting a girl is just never something i'd even consider.

I'd say he just should stop being a bus-driver. There shouldn't be any legal recourse for a provoked punch to the face as long as the guy is fired and unable to get a job working mostly with children. At the same time, he's definitely not "justified."

Side: No he wasn't
Twin(13) Disputed
1 point

Shes not a young girl shes 25 years old.

"It's not okay to hit a girl, let alone a young girl, just because she's a bitch." I would agree with you there but she punched him first and spit on him while hes driving a bus. So what you saying self-defense is ok as long as your defending yourself against a man but not against a women? You know how sexist that sounds?

Side: Yes he was
1 point

No. I think it's safe to say he could have handled that a variety of other ways.

Side: No he wasn't
1 point

Honestly, I don't think violence is ever justified personally. He didn't have to hit her so hard to get her off the bus. This is not a gender issue, this is a violence issue. He could have easily gotten her off the bus without hitting her. He obviously just didn't have the self-control to do that.

Side: No he wasn't
Twin(13) Disputed
1 point

But it is a gender issues! She attacked him first. If it was a guy who attacked a bus driver and then got beat up there would be no discussion. He had plenty of self control, and she didn't. I cant really believe people are defending a women who attacked a bus driver while hes driving a bus, and saying its not a gender issues! Its ridicules.

Side: Yes he was
Saurbaby(5581) Disputed
1 point

I didn't mean that she was in the right at all either, but weather it was a man or woman aggravating the driver does NOT matter. He was in the right to get her off his bus, I said that I believe, but he shouldn't hit anyone, be it a man or woman. She also shouldn't have been verbally attacking him.

I'm not defending her, but he still shouldn't have hit her, that's where he lacked any self-control.

Side: No he wasn't