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My logic? Dafuq?????? I'm not he one claiming things to exist simply because someone says so or believes so. You are one like that. If everyone was atheist, no one would claim a place like hell exists. I'll go as far as no one would even conceive the idea of a hell, if would they would discard it as nonsense right away. You get this? The only people claiming there is a hell are the religious, and they literally do it with zero evidence to back up it up. Hell only exists as a concept, and a stupid one at that, nothing more. Let's retype you argument to show how ridiculous it is. If everyone didn't believe America existed, no one would claim a place like America exists. I'll go as far as no one would even conceive the idea of America, if would they would discard it as nonsense right away. You get this? The only people claiming there is America are the Americans, and they literally do it with zero evidence to back up it up. America only exists as a concept, and a stupid one at that, nothing more. Can you go to America, do you have tangible evidence of its existence? Yes you can and yes you do! Your example is ludicrous. I'm talking about things that don't even exist in the first place, not to mention there is absolutely zero evidence. Do you even think, whether what you are writing makes any sense, before clicking submit? You obviously do not, or as I've said before, you are very stupid. Which one? Basically? So, swapping out some words with other words that literally do no suit there makes it sound? Can you understand this: "Can you go to America, do you have tangible evidence of its existence? Yes you can and yes you do! I'm talking about things that don't even exist in the first place, not to mention there is absolutely zero evidence."??? If they don't make sense, then maybe you should change them. Perhaps you should acquire an objective, logical, and rational mind? THINK before saying something! All you've given me is nonsense, literally! You don't know when to stop, do you? If you jump up do you keep on going up or you fall back down? There you go, proof of gravity. Do you know what gravity actually is? Do you know what causes gravity? It is a fact that gravity exists. Just that it exists does not mean we know everything about it, how it works, what exactly causes it - that's what we will find out far in the future. Now, to religion and what it claims. Hell, heaven, walking on water, rising from the dead, God itself - zero evidence to all of it. It only exists on paper, electronically, and in peoples minds - none of it makes it real, you need actual evidence to prove it real. How many times do you want people to repeat the same over and over? Just open your mind and LEARN already! You are so pathetic. "If you jump up do you keep on going up or you fall back down? There you go, proof of gravity." Oh, we all know what gravity does. But do you know what gravity actually is? "It is a fact that gravity exists. Just that it exists does not mean we know everything about it, how it works, what exactly causes it - that's what we will find out far in the future. Now, to religion and what it claims. Hell, heaven, walking on water, rising from the dead, God itself - zero evidence to all of it. It only exists on paper, electronically, and in peoples minds - none of it makes it real, you need actual evidence to prove it real. How many times do you want people to repeat the same over and over? Just open your mind and LEARN already!" So you say in the first paragraph "it is a fact that gravity exists, I just can't answer your questions because no-one knows the answers and very little evidence" (marginally paraphrased) and then go on to say "Christianity can't exist because there's very little evidence" (marginally paraphrased). Please make sense in your arguments. Oh, we all know what gravity does. But do you know what gravity actually is? I was talking about things that have zero evidence, in fact do not even exist. In this case that was Hell. Please make sense in your arguments. I find it rather impossible considering you lack the capacity. Because you deny reality. Gravity exists, it is indisputable. Hell has no evidence, claiming it to be real is idiotic if you consider that it is made up in the first place. Hell, heaven, God, and all else similar exists only in peoples minds, nowhere else. They aren't real. If you think they are real why do you think Harry Potter, LOTR, and so many other fantasy stories aren't real? Ra, Thor, Zeus, and those guys, some of whom are older than your precious God, why do you think they aren't real? They are fictional characters just as is your God, none of them have any evidence just as your God has none. I wonder, can you understand this? "If everyone was atheist there would be no religion that claimed there is a hell. The only people claiming there is one are the religious, and they literally have no other "proof" but fairy tales. Sorry but, if something says there is something simply because it says so does not make it real. I can come up with all kinds of fiction, claiming all kinds of things, would all that then be true? Not necessarily. I could hit spot on with something but there would be no way for me to know." How can you not? Red half-Goat people penetrating naked people for eternity in a lake of fire? Seems legit. And how an infinitely moral God can make this place, and send people into it daily for doing simple things like not believing?- for eternity, I might add. God, please. To make hell, you must have evil thoughts, and evil thoughts can lead to evil actions, such as how he murdered children in Leviticus 20:9 for children speaking profanities. Also, evil thoughts of sadism and vengeance. How can all of these things come from a God that is supposed to be infinitely moral? It seems, the invisible world of red half-goat men, bears the burden of proof. (And please debate all of my points, I am curious of what you have to say.) 1
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If everyone was atheist there would be no religion that claimed there is a hell. The only people claiming there is one are the religious, and they literally have no other "proof" but fairy tales. Sorry but, if something says there is something simply because it says so does not make it real. I can come up with all kinds of fiction, claiming all kinds of things, would all that then be true? Not necessarily. I could hit spot on with something but there would be no way for me to know. Yeah, if everyone was atheist, then how would hell even exist? If no one had knowledge of religion, even if a god WAS real, it's not like he'd just send everyone to hell. That'd be cruel, to send everyone to hell just because they hadn't heard of religion, or because they stopped believing. Typical deluded Christian reading passages from a book of fiction thinking it will change the world. Take a second to read how divisive that sentence was. Essentially your point is "if only the other 5 billion idiots on the planet would smarten up and believe what I do the world would be a better place." The world most certainly would be a better place without religion! Firstly there would be no fanatical lunatics proclaiming that their God out of the hundreds of supposed God's on the planet is the one God. No Islamists blowing themselves and innocent people up in defence of their God. Secondly, believing in God and reading the bible doesn't make you a good person. Being a good person makes you a good person. I cannot count the number of Christians that I have encountered in my lifetime that think they are a good person simply because they are Christian. I am an atheist and am more caring, compassionate and loving than they will ever be. Yet they hide behind their book being righteous all the while driving a wedge between other countries, other religions and minority groups (women who are Pro-Choice, Gays, Lesbians, etc. etc. etc.) If people had the balls and the brains to think for themselves instead of letting an imaginary, all powerful, omnipotent being or a 2000 year old barbaric, backward and misinterpreted piece of fiction tell them what to do, the world would, as stated before, certainly be a better place! 1) Religion is not bad. People are bad. You are passing off religion as the gun in parallel to the gun control argument. Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that Islam needs to be abolished; I agree with you on that. However, if religion was not here, there would still be people here with differing opinions and differing ways of life, etc. Religion is not inherently bad because if it disappeared people would still kill for their beliefs (regardless if a "god" told them to or not). 2) You must also remember that righteousness is "subjective" yet also objective. Some people think that murder is right but does that make it right? No, because if morality was subjective then the hero of society would be a sociopath, one who does not have any regards for what is right or wrong. Continued, theologically, if the God of the Bible was real then only believers are good and righteous. If you would like for me to elaborate please let me know! :) 3) Yet again, if everyone thought for themselves, people would still fight. If everyone had the same views and opinions, like having everyone believe in the God of the Bible, then people would be pained a lot less. Of course, people would still do wrong, but violence over differing opinions would be resolved, which is the fundamental foundation of your argument if I understand it correctly. 2
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Religion is not bad. People are bad. You are passing off religion as the gun in parallel to the gun control argument. Guns don't kill people; people kill people. I totally agree with this, but religion is the gun in this comparison in that you can use it to convince others to join you in the killing. Without religion you would still have a few people killing other people, but you wouldn't have the Islamic Jihads that you have today, or the several other instances where large groups of people motivated by religion have murdered other groups of people, such as the recent Protestant/Catholic conflict in Ireland (now thankfully fairly peaceful), or the Crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition, or the Salem Witch Trials, etc. Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that Islam needs to be abolished; I agree with you on that I know you think you're being virtuous here, but this kind of thinking is what brings out the worst in religion. The biggest problem with religion is that people think that they know the truth and all other kinds of thinking should be abolished. There is no greater evil in the world than this kind of thinking! It isn't any one religion that needs to be abolished, or religion in general, or atheism for that matter. The only thing that should be abolished is the thinking that other ways of thinking need to be abolished. 1) Agreed people are bad. But to liken religion as the gun in the gun control debate is false. The example that I gave of an Islamic terrorist blowing up a bus was obviously extreme but there are plenty more examples of religion being the root cause of societal problems. What business of yours is it if a two women get married? Just because apparently somewhere in a deluded bible verse that was written 2000 years ago says that it is evil in a civilized and equal society in the year 2012 it is still not legal? Are you actually going to try and proclaim that there has never been a conflict which could have been averted if religion was taken out of the equation? Or are you so naive that you can state with certainty that there will be no conflict in the future which was started in whole or partially because of differing religions? In this scenario, would the riddance of religion from our society not benefit the world as a whole? 2) You saying that it is subjective is your way of saying "we will be loving and caring to individuals as long as they are Christian." You just stated that you think that Islam should be abolished. What gives you the right to say that those individuals cannot practice that religion, especially when the majority of them are non-fundamentalists. So God loves all his children, but here comes the fine print (as long as they believe in the Christian God, are not gay, do not get abortions, etc.) Do you in fact believe all aspects of the Bible? Because believing some parts and not others is tantamount to questioning the entire book as a whole. 3) Yes it is inherent nature for humans to fight. I meant it in the sense of people might actually think for themselves instead of thinking "maybe God will help me out of this situation" or "if I do this or don't do this I will go to Hell." It's ridiculous and the sooner that people learn to start thinking for themselves the better. I am a good person because I was raised as a good person. Christians can put people down, chastise them for not believing what they believe, dominate politics -- regardless of supposed Church/State separation, yet because they are Christian they believe they are inherently good. If there was no religion people might actually be forced to show proof that they are a good person through their morals and behaviour. 1) I'm saying that there has always been conflicts between people with the differing views. Religion is not the root cause of fighting its the fact that people disagree on a majority of issues. 2) Christians are to be loving and caring of everyone. I'm saying that Islam is incorrect along with many other pagan religions and thus it would be better for them to be abolished. Continued, you cannot be a Muslim unless you believe in the Koran because otherwise you are rejecting the prophet of Muhammad and his ability to ascribe Allah's will. Love is a tricky word. God loves His creation as in that He will take care of them while on earth but when it comes to spirituality and the soul, God hates unbelievers. If you are a "true" believer then Jesus has washed away your sins and thus are able to stand before the Lord God. I do believe all the aspects of the Bible. 3) Without someone to enforce judgment then everyone would be able to run free and kill people and steal and rape and pillage. Without the idea of repercussions the world would be a mess not better. 1) Check the history books buddy, religion has and will continue to be the root cause of many conflicts. And yes, people will disagree on a number of issues inherently -- they certainly do not need a fictional book to tell what side of the issues to be on. 2) So you then believe that I will suffer an internal damnation in the fiery depths of hell? And am I to believe that you think the entire civilization of humans descended from 1 man and his rib? Or that at one point in history a man built a boat and then gathered 2 of every living creature on the planet together on this boat? Or that snakes can talk? Give me a fucking break! I seriously cannot lead my brain to accept the fact that a rational, educated, civilized human being could believe this. 3) So according to you the majority of crimes are committed by atheists right? Because we have no imaginary sky daddy telling us what is wrong? So if tomorrow it was proven without a shadow of a doubt that God was not real the entire world would erupt into a killing, stealing and raping spree. And what kind of repercussions do Christians face if the principle of atonement is present? In your mind I could literally be a murdering, rapist thief and simply atone for my sins before I die and live out the rest of eternity in heaven -- meanwhile, myself, a non-believer (not just god but also santa claus, the tooth fairy, monsters, leprechauns, and other beings with as much credence as god) will spend eternity in hell? I seriously think we should set a date in the future where if you are still deluded and brainwashed into believing these things that you should be committed to an appropriate mental institution. 1) I understand what you are saying but I disagree... people do fight over religion a lot but its not because of religion but because of differing opinions... which apart of the fact that religions have differing opinions. 2) Neither you nor I can judge if you will go to Hell or not. Yes, you are to believe in the Bible and have trust in God! Let me ask you a question then... can nature defy itself? 3) Yes, all nonbelievers do evil. Everything bad that you do and every good that you do not do are all enough to sentence you to Hell... Its not just the laws of the world that we have to follow but also the laws of the Lord. If someone is a true Christian they do not seek to sin, but, try to run from it. Many people will claim to be Christians but truly are not for their lives were never changed by the Lord. I give up. I only hope that you do not have children or if you do that you let them find their belief system on their own as clearly someone at some point did not afford the same advantage to you. If someone has been so indoctrinated and brainwashed as to believe that snakes can talk or than every single bird, insect, mammal, reptile, amphibian and creature on earth can fit onto 1 boat there is little that I or anyone can say to try and illuminate your insanity. I debate you not to mock your beliefs but to try and enlighten you to brainwashing you have so unfortunately been exposed to in your lifetime. I can honestly say that there is no god and that he did not create the universe. Do I know who did? Absolutely not. Does this frighten me? Not in the least. Religion was historically popular because people were afraid of the unknown. Humans knew very little about the earth or what goes on on it's surface. However, just as we thought at one time that the world was flat, science and empirical evidence disproved this. Just as science (the real stuff not the wishy-washy convoluted "facts" that the links you provided detail) has proven that the earth is billions of years old. There is pottery from China that is dated at over 20,000 years old. There is oil in the earth created from immense heat and pressure from dinosaur fossils that have been in the earth for millions of years. I asked you before if you believed every aspect of the bible and you astonishingly said yes. Let me ask you this then. Where does science fit into this equation? Why do you put so little trust into scientific facts? If science is to be so easily case aside in this debate by you, why then do you place your trust in it in other circumstances? Why don't you pray to be healthy instead of going for a check up? If you unfortunately develop cancer in the future why wouldn't you go to church instead of taking chemotherapy? If the science of medicine is trustworthy enough that you can put your faith in it, why does the science of evolution and the history of the earth mean nothing? Because the motto of Christians is "I believe it is true because I am told to believe it is true." That is the foundation of Christianity. With zero empirical evidence you have given your entire life to something that will never exist or be proven. Thankfully my initial statement of getting rid of religion is a hell of a lot closer to fruition than your wish for a Christian dominated brainwashed earth full of sheep blindly following a book from 2000 years ago. And who can I thank for that? Not God or god(s) or Thor or Allah -- but for people who are brave enough and courageous enough to live their lives the way they want to live them. Who can think for themselves and are not afraid of the unknown. Who treat people with the respect and dignity and love and compassion that they deserve because they want to, not because they are afraid of what will happen to them if they don't! I was actually raised by a mother who is devoutly unreligious. She can't stand me wanting to go into the ministry and has actually said that if I don't stop going to my Bible study group, she will pull out my funding for college... She tried a number of times to get me to not believe in Jesus. Who determines what is actual fact and what is actually fake? How do you know if something has been corrupted? Evolution is tax funded.. creationism is not. Radiometric dating has been proven false... we have found tissue within a fossilized dinosaur's bone... which means dinosaurs are actually young. There is no scientific proof of evolution, the big bang, etc. I agree with science.. just not the tax-funded science that lies to people... There is tons of evidence for Jesus and the Bible! Multiple prophecies have come true! Multiple citations of people confirming the magic of Christ... etc. Well sorry to say it but someone along the line brainwashed you! There is no way that a rational human being can believe that Noah's Ark was real, or that the entire civilization descended from a man AND HIS FUCKING RIB! (On a side note wouldn't that mean that the entire race of humans is incest? If there were only 2 people and they had kids, who had the next set of kids?) There is more scientific proof in the table of contents of the theory of evolution than will ever exist for the existence of god. Who determines what is fact? People who have dedicated their lives to the pursuit of scientific knowledge. People who spend their entire lives researching and gathering FACTS. Name 1 FACT about Christianity that can be 100% without a shadow of a doubt be proven. "Multiple citations of people confirming the magic of Christ" - so some idiots 2000 years ago say that something happened so it must be true? Seriously? What about when people believed in witches, Ares, Zeus, Thor, etc. I bet I can find scores of "testimonials" as to their miracles and magic. And what if I write a book about my friend and claim all these wonderful things that he did; cured people's cancer, walked on air, can breath under water. I could easily get 3 or 4 friends to write a chapter saying they saw this as well. Now what if I put this book away in a safe place for 2000 years. Does it make it a fact if someone reads it 2000 years from now? Not a fucking chance. Is it a FACT that my friend existed - Absolutely! Can it be proven that he is an air walking, cancer curing, God with gills? You tell me! Can I ask why it is you think that religion has been steadily on the decline while atheism and agnosticism has been steadily increasing over time? Because people are slowly becoming aware of the nonsense that is Christianity. No longer are people being brainwashed because the parents of children nowadays are more enlightened and freethinking. Going back to the original question; whose reality do you think is more likely to come to fruition? Mine, that religion is on it's way out or yours, that the world will become Christian?
And, why did you ignore the part where I stated that people will be good people because they are inherently good -- not because an imaginary being tells them to be good. I would much rather be an atheist and live a good, moral and respectful existence on my own terms and because I want to be than to do so because I am being forced. How depressing would it be to think that the only thing that is making people be good is the fear of the repercussions. In what sense? That is a pretty general statement. Care to give an example? Do you believe that religion can contradict itself? Such as "thou shalt not kill" being a commandment and then: - Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) - Homosexual men were to be executed. (Lev 20:13) - False prophets are to be killed by their own parents. (Zech 13:3) - Stubborn children were to be stoned, and the stoning was to be instigated by their parents. (Duet 21:18-21) Contradiction much? Also, since you believe all aspects of the bible I assume that you do not, under any circumstances work on Sundays or eat fat! Bill 17, Fred 22, Tyrone 42, Gilligan 8, etc. - i.e. who gives a shit? That wasn't proof. That was regurgitating the same argument you just made, which I just disproved. Tyrone 42 - and thy prophet walked through the air and through the sea breathing the whole time. He then cured the cancer of a passerby. Let it be known that he is the one true God" - It's just that easy buddy! No it's not until they "find God" that they become good people right? So you think that some people are born good and some people are born evil? That was the one part of that that you took away? My point is that I treat people with respect and compassion and love because I want to -- not because someone tells me to. Can something defy gravity? The Bible does not contradict itself. The commandment you are referring to is not "thou shalt not kill" but instead "thou shalt not murder." Murder is different from killing someone. Everyone who murders, kills, but not everyone who kills, murders. The Sabbath is different now. It is the day of the Lord and we are to worship Him and praise His name! No one does good until they find God. 1) Something can fight against the force of gravity. Surely you are not obtuse enough to say this is a contradiction. Every "scientific argument" you bring up only makes you seem more insane. So because something can fight the force of gravity we are not to trust science? Why then do you still go for medical checkups? Don't you know you can't trust science!!! 2) Only a nut job would say that killing and murdering are different. So if I went and killed someone I could use your definition as a defense? "Sorry your honour but I am being tried for murder, but I didn't actually murder him - I killed him." "Sorry ladies and gentlemen of the jury but I stand accused of murder when in reality my son was a false prophet so I killed him! Never did I murder him however." If you believe this I actually hope that someone comes to your door and puts you in a straight jacket. The arguments that you have said here is more than enough information for me to conclude that you are not a sane individual. 3) Oh sorry I didn't realize there had been an amendment to the bible. When exactly did God come down off his cloud and let everyone know that they could work on sundays? I must have missed that appendix to the bible. Hypocrite! Has there been any changes to the eating fat rule? I hope so or you will surely be murd...oh right sorry...killed by god. 4) "No one does good until they find God" - well friend I'm never going to find him and neither are you, so I guess by your definition we will both never be good. I however, will continue to be a good person despite being told to by a magic book. Thank fuck the world is slowly opening their eyes to the farce that is religion. If half of the people who simply identify as Christian had a conversation with you I feel like I would have more people on my side! I only hope my children see a world where people who talk to imaginary people and believe in talking snakes are within the confines of a padded cell! 1) That was the example not the argument. Do you believe that life can come from non-life? 2) Can the government kill someone who has committed murder? 3) The New Testament. The Old Testament said to honor the sabbath... but when Jesus came He said that the day was for honor of Him and that we should remember Him on the day... which is to go to church. The fat thing is covered in Acts when God declares all foods clean and the Gentiles clean as well. 1) I still fail to see how this relates to proving the existence of a god 2) In my country, no they cannot. In the U.S. yes you can kill someone who has murdered. Still doesn't change the fact that if your child is a false prophet in 2012, in the United States of America, the bible demands that you kill him. Kill/murder, use whatever definition you want. I just hope for your sake, since you believe and listen to all parts of the bible, that your son doesn't turn out to be a false prophet! 3) Old Testament: Insane ramblings of random idiots 2000 years ago New Testament: Realizing that there are glaring holes in the Old Testament so more random idiots spew more garbage, none of which should ever be followed 2000 years later. Question: If there is only 1 true god why would he tolerate 5 billion people out of 6 billion living on the Earth that he created for true Christians? Doesn't it seem odd to you that literally not even a QUARTER OF THE PLANET believes this farce? What makes you so all knowing, so omnipotent, so other-worldly to believe that these 5 billion people are going to hell? Get the fuck over yourself. And THAT is why there should be no religion. Because every Christian believes that every other person should be Christian, just as you said in your initial post. It is this attitude that has caused problems over the millennia. Missionaries brainwashing native americans and africans in exchange for food and medicine. Why only give aide to people after the profess their devotion to Christianity? This is where you and I differ my friend. I would give aide to anyone regardless of faith. You give aide in exchange for a set of conditions. 1) The Law of Biogenesis states that no life can come from non-life... so how are we here today? 2) You are referring to the Old Testament civil laws that have to do with Israel's judicial/court and societal laws. Since we are no longer a nation of "Israel" but a body of believers, we do not have to obey them. The same thing applies to ceremonial laws... the laws that look forward to the coming Christ such as the honoring the Sabbath and burning offerings. 3) Read Romans 9 and 1 Corinthians 1:27. I am not omniscient nor omnipotent. Christians are to give to everyone not just the church. If a Christian has refused to show hospitality to you then he deserves rebuking or is not a Christian himself/herself. 1) A magic cloud man crossed his arms and blinked his eyes until a man was put into a magical garden full of apples and talking snakes. He then surgically extracted this man's rib and from this rib crafted a female (did he whittle it or what?). These 2 individuals then had sex, giving birth to children. They then had sex with their children over and over again until the earth was populated with humans. OR Any number of scientific theories that are wayyyyy more believable than the scenario outlined above. I will not claim to know how it happened but that's the difference between you and I. I will not claim to know how it happened. 2) Well hopefully once I write my Super Duper New Testament about the air walking, water breathing, cancer curer I will make sure not to include any contradictions in it. I just wish it would hurry up and be 2000 years from now so that it could magically be true! I guess that's the standard for your "evidence" eh? You just have to have something that was written 2000 years ago and it is automatically true? 3) No I will not read your garbage fiction. If I want to read about magic I will read Harry Potter - a premise that is just as likely to be true as your trash. And they will show them hospitality but then the non-christians will burn forever in hell? How does that make sense? And no, historically, missionaries would not give supplies to aboriginals until they professed they had converted to christianity. I believe that God who created nature went outside of nature. You believe nature defied itself... If God gives me the ability to believe in Him then I will. Then don't ask me questions that you don't want to know the answers to. Have you heard of genuine altruism from the field of psychology? Propoganda's video "GOSPEL" says that "even our good works are an extension of our selfishness." Even though you do good works it was not for God or for love, which is evil in of itself. I would say they weren't Christians or they were very wrong and in need of rebuking. Stop looking at all the examples of people who claimed to be Christians doing things true Christians do not do. "god" didn't give you the ability to believe in him...your brain did! I suggest you start using it for a change. Have a fucking thought for once in your life. I just saw another post of yours where you said that you would kill your own fucking child if "god" told you too. Are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me you weak minded deluded piece of shit. And you wonder why your mother has threatened to stop paying for your education! It's because she has seen that her child is a fucking lunatic who clings to irrational brainwashing. If you truly believe that you would kill your child than your mother has failed you as a parent. You would kill your own fucking child? If you answer yes to that question I hope you die a painful fucking death. I also hope that when you are dead you are cognizant for the briefest of moments before you realize that you wasted your entire fucking pitiful, miserable life. I have many thoughts all the time... but that does raise the question of how over millions of years circuits/synapses/etc. in our brains allowed us to eventually process ideas... hmmm... I wonder why we trust them if our brain was randomly formed... I sure wouldn't trust my randomly formed brain to produced logic if I believed in evolution... If God told me to kill my own child, I would have faith that God would rescue me from having to do so. That is exactly what Abraham believed and so should I. It is yet another allusion to the divinity of Christ! Praise the Lord! How so? I hope to die in the hands of my enemies as a martyr of my faith. So if this is happens, then yes, it would be a very painful death... but I would know that it would soon be over and I would soon see God, my Savior once and for all! Amen! I have many thoughts all the time... but that does raise the question of how over millions of years circuits/synapses/etc. in our brains allowed us to eventually process ideas... hmmm... I wonder why we trust them if our brain was randomly formed... I sure wouldn't trust my randomly formed brain to produced logic if I believed in evolution... Yeah, I heard about this argument, its actually really interesting. I think its John Lennox that has really popularized it but I could be wrong. It does if they brainwash them before they are old enough to make up their own mind! I was baptized against my wishes...luckily for me my parents did not force religion on me afterwards. For someone willing to "die as a martyr" for his religion I find it very hard to believe that his children will be allowed to be an atheist! True, indoctrination isn't at all a desirable activity, and I honestly think it's idiotic for parents to force their own beliefs on their children before the kids have gotten to the point where they are able to question those beliefs. Some children even do have the bravery to be a skeptic, though, the children usually supress that out of fear of punishment, which is based on the same religious doctrine. However, I'd like to belief that at some point in their lives, they began to question their beliefs. Even if they don't abandon their beliefs entirely, it's nice to now they're capable of logical thinking. Personally, I was raised as a Christian, as my mother was a Christian. However, after immense examination of both theist and atheist arguments and evidence, I changed my position to that of an agnostic atheist. And that's why religion causes wars. Think back like 500 years, before the Big Bang and evolution theories were discovered. Everyone was as crazy as he is. Newton, Galileo. Even Darwin likely thought such a thing before going on his voyages and seeing how life could evolve through storms and the shape of beaks on birds of that island. I mean, if you think those people are crazy, Lolzors would have been made king. Probably a high priest. He's the sort who would lead a crusade march. He already said he wants to die fighting for his religion. He's basically a Jihadist, but for Christianity. - And I see you're new, hambone. Welcome to CreateDebate. ENJOY YOUR TIME HERE. =D Really makes me nervous that people like that exist. They certainly have no place in civilized society. Luckily for us religion is slowly and surely on it's way out! There may have been a place for religion 2000 years ago, however, we all had to accept that the world wasn't flat at one point in time! It just takes others longer to come to these realizations. Well you're doing a fine job here for free! Maybe you can just skype the people in those evil countries and that way you wont have to martyr yourself either! Only then there will still be 1 more lunatic on the loose. Maybe that's a bad idea after all. (sorry I don't believe in god, so obviously satan made me say that 666) I suggest you read some of this as well if you don't think the bible has contradictions. I'm sure there will be some way for you to spin it however! 1
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I must say, that first paragraph you wrote really interests me. I've become so accustomed to speaking to hereditary theists that I wasn't sure it was even possible to be religious with atheist parents. If you don't mind my asking, who introduced you to Christianity? Or was it some sort of overnight process, as in you woke up and just believed through some some divine revelation? I ended up going to a Christian school. I wouldn't even consider myself Christian during those times either... then that school closed down and I went to a Baptist school, which is Calvinistic, and I agreed with it and became a Christian. Ever since then my mom has tried to persuade me not to go into the ministry. My parents didn't get me into Christianity... it was my teachers, senior year of high school. 1
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Wow. The fact that you believe that is actually frightening to me. I honestly am terrified that people could actually believe this. Another way that the riddance of religion from society would benefit the world as a whole - believing in tangible things! I find it difficult to believe that someone could dismiss scientific EVIDENCE (sorry, for you Christians, evidence is something tangible that you can examine to prove that a particular theory is correct), that the Earth is millions of years old. If you actually believe this where do dinosaurs fit into your equation of the history of the Earth? Somewhere between a museum and a Steven Spielberg movie? Actually, you know what... I was going to type out a bunch of stuff... but I'm too lazy! haha So here's a video that shows the Bible is possibly correct and that evolution is wrong... If you advocate the Bible, you advocate the young earth creation theory. http://www.youtube.com/ But where I get 20,000 at the most is from this site if you are curious http://www.icr.org/article/371/ And advocation of the Bible: http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/ Well fine then! If everyone chose whether to be Christians or not and it was based on free will then no one would... no one seeks God. No one wants to be with God. Asking for free will is like asking for God to destroy all evil everywhere right now. It would be irrational because everyone would die, right here, right now. ->no one seeks God. No one wants to be with God. You're a christian and I'm a christian right now we all have free will and alot of people have decided that god is there and that they want to be with all I'm saying is because we have free will we should all still have the choice to beleive what we want to believe. ->Asking for free will is like asking for God to destroy all evil everywhere right now. Please explain how this is true. If we had free will then no one would choose God. As you said, "no one seeks God." So how do you assume, if that is the carnal nature of man, we are to seek God and choose Him (believe in Him)? God chooses us. There is no such thing as free will. However, if you want it, then go ahead and want it... but I tell you this, you would be fleeing from God. If you wanted for everyone to have free will then no one would be saved because no one wants to be with God. Thus, everyone would be destroyed. Asking for God to get rid of all evil would mean that He would destroy every human on earth, right here and now, because we are all evil. Either way is a request for destruction and a path of hate. Don't let the armenian worldview over take you! In no way is it Biblical.... 1
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