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1. Politics can never solve social problems at a root level, because politics is just another element in the soil in which social problems take root. In fact, it provides one of the most essential nutrients so that the tree of stupidity and tyranny can grow.

2. We live in an objective physical universe, subjective modes of thought and social constructs can't solve real world problems, they only create them.

3. Man's propensity to adopt a superstitious mindset is what allows social constructs to become the very fabric of our society. Social constructs such as the monetary system are mass mind viruses rather than anything tangible and everyone is programmed with the superstitious belief in it's value. It is the human ability to easily accept a belief system based in pure concept rather than reality which leads to all tyranny.

4. The three things that make peace and freedom impossible are scarcity, superstition and low IQ bongo genetics (jest).

5. No one should have authority, we should basically consider logic and truth in and of themselves to be the sole authority.

6. Instead of having man made laws and punishing people for their crimes, we need to educate all people starting from a very young age why it's objectively logical and mutually more beneficial and productive to co-exist and co-operate with other humans rather than engaging in socially destructive behaviour. Instead of punishing people, we need to recognise that humans don't have free will, are not to blame for their actions, and there are causal factors to behaviour which can be CORRECTED. When you reduce poverty, child abuse, bad genes, neurosis etc. you reduce crime. In the future, the phrase "corrective facility" will actually mean something if we make any real social progress.

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6. Instead of having man made laws and punishing people for their crimes, we need to educate all people starting from a very young age why it's objectively logical and mutually more beneficial and productive to co-exist and co-operate with other humans rather than engaging in socially destructive behaviour.

I particularly like this point. It seems to me this is logically inextricably bound to IQ/intelligence also. Do you think this as well, or hold a differing perspective?

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It seems to me this is logically inextricably bound to IQ/intelligence also.

Yes it is, it requires a population with an average intelligence which is above current average human intelligence. However, if you where to take an average human out of the shit hole of society and make perfect nutrition available to them all their life and condition them to a much more scientific environment where the snow globe does not exist, they would not only end up with a higher IQ, they would use that IQ in much more productive ways. Education and nutrition should become the new eugenics movement. If critical thinking became commonplace instead of the mere regurgitation of opinions and information and if the public stopped ingesting brominated high fructose fluoride smoothies the world would be a much better place.

Antrim(1297) Disputed
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If only the answer to achieving an idyllic society was as simplistic as your fanciful and naive assertions suggest we would all be living in Utopia.

The ten commandments were set out a couple of thousand years ago and we're all still knocking seven bells out of each other and the strong still exploit the weak.

Are you really trying to say that the violent and criminal nature of mankind can be stopped by tutoring?

Narutochakra(52) Disputed
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Are you really trying to say that the violent and criminal nature of mankind can be stopped by tutoring?

Hello imbecile, as always you are incapable of recognizing what truly makes humans the way they are. I am not talking about taking extra classes or hiring a tutor when I say education, I'm talking about rethinking the entire education system and the way that children are brought up and replacing the propaganda and mindless nonsense in media with more enlightening material.

The "criminal nature of mankind" is a retarded statement, man can be both the most vicious and the most peaceful and compassionate animal depending on which human you are looking at. People can also experience massive shifts in their personality which can usually be linked directly and obviously with their experiences and environment. Some people say it's human nature to be compassionate, then why did Hitler exist? You say that humans are naturally violent, then why did Sidhartha Gautama exist? Because human nature doesn't exist and humans can be either extreme or anything in between.

If humans are exposed to the right conditioning, they can become much more intelligent and civilized than they currently are on average.

marcusmoon(586) Clarified
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NarutoC,

While I see where you are coming from, and I like where you seem to want to get to, I think you tend to disregard a lot of what real-life people actually are. Most of your ideology is base on the ideal that people should somehow (magically?) behave differently.

In light of your first point (1. Politics can never solve social problems at a root level, because politics is just another element in the soil in which social problems take root) how do you propose to propose accomplishing numbers 2-6?

Narutochakra(52) Clarified
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I think you tend to disregard a lot of what real-life people actually are. Most of your ideology is base on the ideal that people should somehow (magically?) behave differently.

This is precisely the opposite of the truth. Our current society disregards what makes humans the way they are. I know the scope and variability of what they call "human nature" which does not exist. Our current society is the one that assumes "people should somehow (magically?) behave differently." without applying any scientific understanding of human behaviour to alter the conditions which produce insanity or destructive behaviour (i.e criminality). My "ideology" is that we have to scientifically understand what makes people the way they are and abate the factors which make someone a piece of shit. The current status quo just says "welp someone just committed a crime again, let's lock em' up, blame their illusory free will for their actions, and not do shit to change society."

In light of your first point (1. Politics can never solve social problems at a root level, because politics is just another element in the soil in which social problems take root) how do you propose to propose accomplishing numbers 2-6?

With reason, virtue and freedom. The opposite of politics.

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Bear in mind, the following are only basic principles. This is not a model for a government, nor do I mean to imply that there are not valid or important exceptions for implementation of some of the following principles.

- 1 - People are individuals, always and unmitigably.

- 2 - People are flawed as individuals, but we are generally worse as groups. This includes governments, so government should be designed to be weak.

- 3 - Maximum practical freedom must be the paramount aim of any political system. Without freedom, people cannot solve their own problems, or achieve their individual visions for their lives.

True, this means that safety MUST be much lower priority, even if it is number two on the list.

- 4 - To make freedom work, it is important that government does not protect individuals from the consequences of their own decisions and actions.

- 5 - Governments cannot be depended upon to address problems well, efficiently, cost-effectively, or without destroying lives and stealing freedom.

In general, government reactive activities should be limited to doing only those things that enforce the following principles.

-Nobody should be allowed to interfere with anyone else's person or property.

-Nobody should be allowed to create any involuntary obligation on anyone's part.

-Provided the preceding criteria are met, people must be able to do what they like on their own property, provided they pay for it themselves.

- 6 - Government proactive activities should be limited to doing only those things that both are impractical/impossible for people to do without government, and that affect EVERY person in the state/nation.

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