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Pentagon's statement confirms Muslim terrorists are in The U.S.
The Pentagon's politically motivated rebuttal of Donald Trump's declaration of his opinion that all Muslims should be banned from entering the U.S, until their underlying attitude towards their host Country was established only serves to confirm that they know there are sufficient Muslim terrorists already in the country to cause death and destruction as we've seen in San Bernadino. Why are they here? How would a ban on further Muslim immigrants not make good sense? If X% of Muslims will be radicalized and become deadly terrorists then a simple mathematical calculation informs us that the greater the Muslim population the greater the X% will be. The Pentagon's pitiful statement of appeasement displays for the first time in the history of the United States, to my knowledge, a fear by defense chiefs of the Nation's sworn enemies and will be perceived by the I.S.I.S. hierarchy as weakness and a clear sign that they have the Yanks on the run. What the Pentagon's statement amounts to is;- don't anger the enemy because they are holding all the ace cards as a result of them being here in the first place. Well, start the long and arduous process of repatriating them.
I think one of the requirements for entry into our country for all immigrants, especially those from Muslim countries, should be to consume a pulled pork sandwich, topped with bacon with a side of pork rinds. If anyone refuses, back to cat box land they go.
Yes, that would be ''proof positive'', but the jolly old politically correct fraternity would be bellowing from the roof tops about the civil rights of terrorists. Here's a quote for you, see if you can guess who said it. Political correctness is a doctrine, recently fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and promoted by a sick mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end. That was said by a prominent American hero when the United States had people who could show leadership and political courage, not unlike the present day Donald Trump.
The statement was made by President Harry S.Truman in a communication to General D.S. MacArthur. 1) MacArthur;- Tomorrow we meet those yellow bellied bastards and sign the surrender documents, any last instructions. 2)Truman;- Congratulations, job well done, but you must tone down your obvious dislike for the Japanese when discussing the therms of surrender with the press, because some of your remarks are fundamentally not politically correct. 3)MacArthur;- Wilco, but both Chester ( Fleet Admiral Chester H. Nimitz) are somewhat confused, what exactly does the term 'politically correct'' mean? 4) Then President Truman's interpretation of the term, which is, in my opinion, as true today as it was in 1945, 70 years ago.
Bans have been imposed by FDR and Jimmy Carter both Democrats yet you will not see any Progressive / Leftist ever make mention of that because that goes against the narrative spoon fed to them by Oble and the Obama Media Group !
It's an interesting question but if we are speaking of immigrants surely before an immigrant is allowed into the US rigorous checks are carried out ?
I know when I worked in the US a long time ago I had to go through a rigorous vetting process , surely all immigrants are subject to the same criteria ?
I think it's unfair to ban all Muslims on account of a minority .
I didn't post this on the other side as I also don't agree with the wording it suggests that every Muslim is somehow a foe .
There is absolutely no way that any screening process can be foolproof. By banning all Muslims, ''until the U.S, can find out what the hell is going on'' is a prudent precaution as even two terrorists can murder and maim countless people, as graphically illustrated in San Bernadino. . The degree of liberalism conferred on any problem is always in direct proportion to the distance from the said problem. Even a short sighted dim wit on a galloping horse could see from a mile off that by not banning all Muslims entry into the U.S, will absolutely guarantee the influx of a substantial number of terrorists. These terrorists will slaughter innocent men women and children and the sanctimonious 'do-gooders' from the political correct brigade will express their surprise and wide eyed innocence as the media cameras film as the dead and mutilated bodies of the injured are carted into the ambulances. Clearly, Muslims are so easily 'radicalized' that all Muslims represent a threat to the safety of the citizens of the United States. Donald Trump said what the majority of Americans think and such common sense statements is what wins elections. Islam holds the western nations in contempt and are committed to the destruction of our way of life, our culture, our democratic form of government, our customs and practices and replace them with the brutal harshness of Sharia law. Time for everyone to wake up.
So anyone that disagrees with your point of view or even offers a counter is ...... Even a short sighted dim wit on a galloping horse could see from a mile off that by not banning all Muslims entry into the U.S, will absolutely guarantee the influx of a substantial number of terrorists. .......
Well, firstly let me thank you for your well presented counter argument, which I am certain is your genuinely held view. However, I must submit my strongly held view, based on the awful evidence of Muslim atrocities throughout the world, from Australia to Canada, and From the U.S.A, to almost every country in Europe. With monotonous regularity we read that one or more of the perpetrators of the numerous acts of vile Islamic savagery were Muslim asylum seekers or so called refugees. It is the blind naivety of the liberal classes who share a great responsibility for the growth of I.S.I.S., and the carnage they have caused. The I.R.A. decided to talk peace after the S.A.S., went for them. All the 30 years of meaningless political rhetorical prior to the special forces 'sorting them out', only prolonged the suffering of the people of the United Kingdom, but particularly Northern Ireland. Terrorists only recognize and respond to force.
I've no time for terrorism in any form , I find it unfortunate you have to bring up the situation in Nothern Ireland as its no relevance to this debate ; also it's a bit naive to say the special forces sorted the IRA out and the only solution to these problems is violence .
I also have no time for Islam or any religion for that matter but I cannot hate every Muslim because of a minority , if terrorists only respond to force why not just bomb and destroy every country that claims to be Islamic and then what ?
The reference to the I.R.A, was made to link the modus operandi of all terrorist groups by attempting to achieve their political aims through terror, a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. If you cannot recognize the correlation between the the global fight against all the terrorist groups then you should drop out of this debate. I lived through over 30 years of bloody and deadly terrorism in Northern Ireland and can categorically state that once the so called Irish Republican Army encountered the Special Air Services they decided that a political solution was the best solution after all. This factual scenario begs the question, how many 1000s of innocent lives would have been saved if the special forces had been deployed earlier? Whilst no one can tell the U.S. military how to fight they should take note of how terrorism was defeated in other parts of the world and how their political masters have made their task so much more difficult by irresponsibly flooding the country with Muslims many of whom will be trained assassins. Peace talks, pow wows, concessions and appeasement changed absolutely nothing but more violence.
I've no interest in the Nothern Ireland debate I've had it up to my teeth as I'm sure you have over the years , one observation though it always depends on what side of the fence one is on in these debates as one persons freedom fighter is another's terrorist .
So again I ask you if you ban all Muslims from entering the US how will that stop terrorism ?
Do you not think that if radicals want to get in they will ?
How do you stop European radicals from getting into the US I bet you there's more than one or two in England ?
You & I, and most other people have had Northern Ireland ''up to their teeth'' as a consequence of the wimpish politicians pussy footing around for almost thirty years. In a democratic society where the ballot box (not the armalite) is the accepted method of changing administrations/governments, anyone or any group who murders civilians, destroys property, industry, commerce along with the infrastructure of a country in an attempt to force their ideology onto a terrorized population cannot be described in any way whatsoever as freedom fighters. All of the democratic countries in the world, but especially Europe and the U.S, are infested with Muslim terrorist cells waiting for the order to strike. When they're not drawing benefits they spend most of their time radicalizing the weak minded resident Muslims and making hate speeches. They do all this with relative impunity while the eye-wateringly stupid politicians look on making many speeches, tut tutting and spewing out their repetitive and meaningless rhetoric. Please understand that I am not even suggesting that terrorism can be stopped by banning all Muslims entering the U.S. because, no matter how good the defenses are, and like the bombers of WW2 the terrorist will always get through. What I am stating is that such a prudent move will vex their endless efforts to get in and thwart the entry of many Muslim terrorists who have dedicated their lives to causing death and injury to all westerners. To repeat the indisputable mathematical calculation;- As X% of Muslims will become terrorists the greater the population of Muslims, the greater the X% becomes.
I've never had any time for Islam as a belief system I believe it's divisive , regressive and mysoginistic , I also agree that a fair proportion of politicians , media types and PC friendly people keep bleating the same nonsense about Islam being the religion of peace and tolerance when in fact it's nothing of the sort .
The problem is that there are indeed radicals waiting and plotting to wreak havoc but they are in the minority , I genuinely think most Muslims certainly where I am just want what you and I want the chance to work , feed their families and have a better life than the one they had in the shithole of a country they're fleeing from ; ISIS actually call most other Muslims infidels as they don't follow their literalist reading of the Quran.
I agree with most of your opinions and observations of what is a somewhat vexing problem, compounded by the liberal policies and lack of foresight of our politicians, past and present. A good politician will recognize a problem early on, address it, and redress it before it becomes a fully blown crisis, they didn't. Now they want the security forces to contain the slaughter and the public to take whatever the terrorists subjects them to. The Turkish have a saying;- an Englishman will burn his bed just to kill a flea, well I'm not advocating that, but sometimes, such as now with the conflict against Muslim terrorism, the means justifies the end and the banning of all Muslim immigrants, for as long as it takes to discover their true intentions and loyalties would be a necessary measure to help reduce the threat to the American public. After each atrocity you will see all the ringing of hands and the standard political drivel about ''an act of savage barbarity by mindless murdering criminals'', while failing to cite themselves as the mindless morons whose shortsightedness and romantic liberal policies caused the ongoing global masscare of Christians and civilians in the first place. Aren't politicians the pits of society.
Yes politicians are the pits they will say what they think people want to hear and what will keep them top of the pile .
I understand people have genuine fears and rightly so , and this is a very complex problem as it has so many facets ; and yes I do agree after each atrocity one has to listen to drivel that is mainly PC nonsense that pleases the " some of my best friends are Muslim brigade "
The only fear I ever have in theses situations is the havoc that can wreaked on the ordinary working class Muslim and his family who's only interest is in the betterment of his and his families welfare .
There are no easy solutions but the exchange of ideas and opinions is always informative , either way we live in interesting times :)
Your obsession with liberals, or at least the fictitious version of liberals that you have created. "The other". The "bad guy".
Just your obsession with seemingly hating those with different beliefs and intentionally attributing nonsensically malicious intent to everything they do.
What you are concerned about should be assimilation, not immigration. My grandparents are German and came to Canada in the 60's. My father would have lived in a destroyed country if it weren't for the helping hand of a nation across the ocean. Since borders are no more than lines in the sand nowadays cultures are more diverse than ever and there is no going back from that, even if you wanted to. The Muslims that are fleeing IS are doing exactly that; FLEEING. that being said would you ban the flow of Muslim immigrants such as women and children? children are easily influenced, if we get to them before the Radicals do we can save a generation. Think of it like gun control, you can never get rid of al the bad apples, but you can always protect a life.
To summarize,
Letting them in isn't the problem. it's just a matter of screening the bad apples OUT.
You're so very wrong. Along with the rest of the Europeans the German immigrants merged with their new homeland and, generally speaking became law abiding and hard working American citizens. I'm from Ireland and am very aware of the opportunities and freedom which the great United States offered the Irish immigrants. The Irish quickly became Americanized and embraced the American customs and practices. In a small, but not insignificant way the Irish helped to make America the greatest nation on earth. Over recent years it has become clear that Muslims do not merge in with the communities and ways of their host countries, but instead remain segregated from mainstream society of which they never feel part. Second, third generation Muslims are so easily radicalized that, in my opinion, based on events of the past number of years, they all represent an extreme danger as was displayed today with the arrest of Muslims in Australia for plotting to murder Australian citizens. Check that out yourself. So, Muslims of all categories, i.e, refugees, asylum seekers and residents, all pose a serious threat. Assimilation is a grand sounding word but one Muslims do not know the meaning of and something they're incapable of doing. Until the dummy politicians in the west understand this glaring truth the citizens of the democracies of the west can expect to be blown to smithereens, shot, knifed to death and publicly decapitated. President Obama and Chancellor Merkel are two of the leading architects of this worsening, self made crisis. Rudyard Kipling got it right when he said, East is East and West is West, and never the t'wain shall meet.
Before I take on any of your talking points I want to first point out that the side your own of this debate is the same side that decided the two options for the debate should be "open the gates to our foes". what do you think I am? some terrorist apologist? That on its own is proof enough that the whole intention of this "debate" is just to steam roll people who disagree with you.
NOW,
I do not know what denomination you are or if you care to attribute yourself to one but i think we can both agree that numbers don't lie, let me put it to you this way. there are one billion (that's 1,000,000,000 OR one out of ever 7 people on this EARTH) are Muslim. IS is approximately (according to the REALLY high estimates) 200000 people weak. that mean there is 999800000 or (NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND) people who are Muslim that DO NOT feel the need to join IS. NOW i know your going to say "but just because they haven't joined IS doesn't mean they feel the same way" - okay i hear you, lets conk 30 million people off that number, that's around the ENTIRE POPULATION OF CANADA. You end up with 969800000 that is still NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE. I mean for gods sake take a whole HUNDRED MILLION OFF FOR ALL I CARE....... you still end up with NINE OUT OF EVERY TEN PEOPLE AS MODERATES. DO NOT PAINT ALL THESE PEOPLE WITH SUCH A WIDE BRUSH FOR THE LOVE OF HUMANITY. If i had my way in government i wouldn't ship them to my country, I would invest billions into safe zones to hold the poor people suffering and going through hell because of the same people you think they are best friends with, but ill be DAMNED if i side with you guys on this one. I am MORE TH AND WILLING to go into the ethical conundrum you want to stir up by letting these helpless people suffer but i think for now at least i have made my point.
~~PLEASE NOTE~~
1: I'm Neither an Muslin christian or anything you can think of. I'm nothing but a human being lucky enough to be alive in one hell of a dirty and destructive and un-guided universe. - oh and i personally think that if there were NO religion the world would be one hell of a happier healthier and much more lovely place to live in, but the only way to get to that stage is through teaching not KILLING NOR ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SUFFER.
2:I am more than willing to bring it down a notch and be More civilized but i feel since you would like to shut the gates of sanctuary on the faces of those fleeing certain death my voice had to be raised at the very least slightly, kindly show more humanity and i will match you in my request.
3: i am more than open minded, but only to the following:
Clearly you've been living on the moon for quite some time. The so called fleeing refugees include a significant number of Muslim terrorists as was the case in the Paris atrocity. Everyone, even the dogs in the street, (but apparently not you), know that terrorists have infiltrated the swarms of Muslims and are regularly caught in Europe involved in, and planning acts of terrorism, you know, blowing men,women and children to smithereens and/or cutting them to pieces with automatic gunfire. I'm sure the same goes for the U.S. This mixture of Muslims and terrorists pass by many oil rich Islamic states to find their way to the 'bleeding hearts'' of the soft touch west. Make no mistake, today's sad eyed Muslims with their hard luck stories will be tomorrow's radicalized terrorists. This has already happened many times, didn't you know? You really should try visiting planet earth more often and try to stay keep up with what's going on.
I was hoping you would come back with that response as was it confirms graphically that no Muslim can be trusted. Not alleged refugees, not asylum seekers, not the citizens of their adopted countries. However, that does not detract from the fact that trained and hardened Muslim terrorists infiltrated the hoards of refugees and have now blended into their host communities. I hope you and the likes of you enjoy what they've planned for you lot.
The Paris atrocity was carried out by French and Belgium Muslim nationals. So, try to understand that this only goes to graphically illustrate that no Muslim can be trusted. Not nationalized Muslims, not Muslim refugees, not so called asylum seekers. The facts behind all the Islamic atrocities clearly show that they include all the aforementioned categories of Muslims. In other words, Muslims, regardless of their citizenship status cannot be trusted, so why to the hell would any sane and responsible person, especially those charged with their nation's security, permit the continued influx of these dangerous insurgents?
The genocides and massacres of our pagan population have been committed by extremist Christians from inside and out of this nation, they transcend boundaries and will stop at nothing to promote their hateful ideology. We must ban them from our borders, even those who seek asylum. Even the moderate Christians, the Jews that the Christians are slaying. No Christian can be trusted, all of them believe in this ideology. Forget about the fact that most of them are against these atrocities and this Christian terrorist group is killing their own populations. NO CHRISTIANS CAN BE TRUSTED! Why the hell would any sane and responsible person permit the continued influx of these dangerous insurgents?
Now you know how stupid you sound. Try seeing it from a Muslim's perspective. You and your family have lived in Syria for hundreds of years, and suddenly war tears your country apart. Assad, ISIS and the FSA are all fighting over your city. Friends and family die each day, your neighbors are slaughtered while others join the fighting. You just want to live a normal, peaceful life. One day, the fighting gets so bad, you know you need to leave. ISIS is descending upon your city, and when they take control, Sharia law will be imposed and you will have to live by that code or be executed. No dissent allowed.
So you resolve to leave. Your brother Ahmad hooks you up with a smuggler in Turkey, who says he can take you to the UK. Great! You pay him what's left of the money that hasn't been devalued or taken by terrorists, and board a boat full of people across the Mediterranean. Taking off from Latakia, the boat nearly sinks. It's overcrowded with other people in the exact same situation as you. For days, you don't eat, and huddle around your family as the boat carries you across the ocean. Finally, you arrive in Istanbul. You claim refugee status, or do you? If they reject you, you can't do anything. Can't enter the EU, can't go to North America. Your only option is to stay at the dock, because you can't enter Turkey, and going back to Syria is certain death.
If they do let you in, congratulations. Now you have to make the journey across Europe, where you're faced with racists at every corner who call you a terrorist and tell you to get out of their country. If you ever make it to the UK, good luck finding a job. Arrive in London from Calais, with no English skills and no degree.
The terrorists have taken everything from you. The things you valued, the people you loved, and the home you lived in. And you chose to seek a better life in Europe than die at the hands of the barbarians in Syria.
Whatever happened to compassion, that which the Bible, Torah and Qur'an speak so much of? "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
There are two kinds of Muslims to consider in this situation. European-born Muslims who have been radicalized by ISIS propaganda, who leave their homes to fight for the barbarians, and on the other hand, the moderates, the peaceful majority of Muslims. Out of over a billion Muslims, ISIS membership is at around and probably under 100,000. That's barely a tenth of a million, and it takes a thousand million to account for the Muslim population.
The refugees aren't the threat. The refugees are not the ones carrying out the attacks, they are the victims! They are victims as we are, yet they have suffered worse! Their homes, their families, their entire lives taken away, hundreds of thousands of Muslims who have suffered at the hands of these people. And somehow they're the bad guys when our common enemy kills a few of us?
If we wish to preserve our liberty, we must make our nations into bastions of it. Liberty for all men and women. Freedom from this terrorism that plagues us, and plagues them. They are one of us. We are one humanity. We are all in this together, and we need to see that instead of letting the terrorists divide us with fear and cruelty. Whatever happened to the great Lincoln quote? A house divided against itself cannot stand. We must reject the politics of fear and division and instead foster unity, compassion and kindness among these new residents. Assimilation programs to help them learn the language, job training, things to make them productive members of society. Imagine if we had 20,000 new, English speaking citizens that adhere to our basic values and contribute to our economy.
Imams report from Mosques to alert the FBI of radicalized teens. Muslims every day use their faith to guide them in life, and take to the streets to rally for peace and love. One day, you will wonder why you were the one who didn't board the peace train.
This is a blatant violation of the separation of church and state. Terrorism isn't a threat to the US and never has been.
Muslims aren't inherently terrorists and won't inherently become them. Now, do they have an extreme religion? Yes, of course they do. So do Christians, and Jews, and Hindus, and basically every other major religion. Just like the rest, Muslims pick and choose parts of their religion to follow along with, terrorism isn't inherent in Muslims.
