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People on CD should have the right mindset about what is going on in America.

It is all for entertainment purposes.


True.

Side Score: 71
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Wait..., what? No!

Side Score: 66

Everything from the widening gap between conservatives and liberals, BLM, COVID-19, and fake news.... Especially fake news ;)

Side: True.
joecavalry(39749) Clarified
1 point

Are you not entertained yet ;)

Side: True.
joecavalry(39749) Clarified
1 point

What else would you be doing with your life ;)

Side: True.

Just chill and laugh at the shit show while you wait for the shooting to start ;)

Side: True.
2 points

Why wait when you can agitate. :D

Side: True.

I'm too old for that ;)

Side: True.
joecavalry(39749) Clarified
1 point

That'll be the most exciting part ;)

Side: True.
1 point

People on CD should have the right mindset about what is going on in America

Hello joe.

We SHOULD.. But, we DON'T.

Here's the problem.. In order for us to HAVE the right mindset, or even discuss what the RIGHT mindset IS, we'd have to AGREE on a certain set of facts. We DON'T..

Here's an example.. You've been here a while. You've read where the right wing takes credit for solving civil rights.. You know, they ended slavery, and they ended segregation.. Hell, you might even be one of 'em..

Today, if you look closely, you'll see that it's right wingers who OPPOSE BLM.. It's right wingers who OPPOSE change. It's right wingers who OPPOSE the demonstrations. In fact, in terms of civil rights, the right wing THINKS everything is hunky dory..

But, it's the SAME right wing "mindset" that OPPOSED civil rights in the '60's, that OPPOSES them today. The 60's right wingers OPPOSED segregation.. They OPPOSED letting black people eat at the same place did.. They OPPOSED letting them vote. In terms of civil rights, those right wingers THOUGHT everything was hunky dory..

And, those right wingers ain't NO different than the right wingers are today.. So, lemme know when you wanna get the RIGHT "mindset"..

excon

PS> You'll notice that I didn't mention party. I mentioned right wingers. Right wingerism knows no party. It doesn't change.

Side: True.

Hmmm..., well..., let's see if only you and I can agree on something... anything, really.

If you see this as an argument and you are interested in winning, then I suggest you do not agree to anything down below. But if you are interested in bridging the gap between us, then either accept or add clarification to the stuff below.

First, there are certain facts that are verifiable and are thus indisputable. For example:

In every well defined group there is a bell curve and we should use this curve to focus/guide our discussion. The main purpose of the bell curve is to help us avoid hyperbole.

Second, there needs to be an agreed upon set of definitions otherwise there won't be a well defined group and thus no bell curve to focus/guide our discussion. For example:

If you lump Republicans, conservatives and racist white supremacist into one group, then the racist white supremacists are on the right tail end of the bell curve.

Now if you want to refer to the racist white supremacist as right wingers, then you're right. They do not want change. However, the other members of the group do want change; they are only opposed to the looting, rioting and burning.

Can we agree on that or would you first like to make some additions/modifications (maybe request clarification) or is the gap between us so wide the conversation can even get off the ground ;)

Side: True.
Jace(5168) Clarified
2 points

I realize your remarks were tailored to excon but I prefer eye to eye. None of this generalized ideology stuff. What are you behind? What aren't you behind? Strictly curious, at this point. And glad to share myself, though I won't presume you're interested.

Side: True.
excon(14905) Clarified
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Hmmm..., well..., let's see if only you and I can agree on something... anything, really

If you see this as an argument and you are interested in winning, then I suggest you do not agree to anything down below

Now if you want to refer to the racist white supremacist as right wingers, then you're right. They do not want change. However, the other members of the group do want change; they are only opposed to the looting, rioting and burning.

Hello again, joe:

It's a debate. I don't NEED to win but that IS the objective of debate, isn't it? I'd just as soon lose a debate as long as I learn something..

Mkay, I'll go first. I BELIEVE that not ALL right wingers are racists and white supremacists.. Do you BELIEVE that not ALL demonstrators are looters, rioters, communists, Marxists, and arsonists?

It's a baby step, I know..

excon

Side: True.
Hrisovala(46) Disputed
1 point

Here's the problem.. In order for us to HAVE the right mindset, or even discuss what the RIGHT mindset IS, we'd have to AGREE on a certain set of facts. We DON'T..

We used to agree to respecting the flag and the founders and free speech. Only one party decided that wasn't the agreement anymore. Guess which one.

Side: Wait..., what? No!
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We used to agree to respecting the flag

Shut up with your goose-stepping nationalism you demented clown. Einstein said nationalism was the measles of mankind. He said it was an infantile disease. I'll go with Einstein thanks.

Side: True.
Jace(5168) Disputed
1 point

The irony of opposing free speech in the same breath as you claim to support it has eluded you.

Notably, flag burning is protected speech because Scalia and Kennedy voted alongside three other justices to form the majority opinion. Without their conservative appreciation for the value of free speech, flag burning would not be protected.

But, by all means, do carry on in your confused ways; it amuses mildly, if nothing else.

Side: True.
AntiExcon(28) Disputed
1 point

But, it's the SAME right wing "mindset" that OPPOSED civil rights in the '60's, that OPPOSES them today

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.countable.us/articles/17557-fact-check-republicans-voted-civil-rights-act-percentage-democrats-did.amp

Which civil rights do Republicans currently oppose, so we'll both know.

Side: Wait..., what? No!
1 point

You seem to have missed this part out:-

Fact check: " Republicans often had fewer total votes in support"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.countable.us/articles/17557-fact-check-republicans-voted-civil-rights-act-percentage-democrats-did.amp

Isn't it interesting how you and Shapiro both always omit the facts which are inconvenient, and try to sell us only the convenient ones? The ones which make you look good? It's never the full story, is it? When you omit half the story you just give yourself away as a partisan extremist.

Side: True.
1 point

What you've also failed to point out is that the time period under discussion was smack in the middle of the platform transition between the two parties. The south was a Democrat stronghold back then, which is why a greater percentage of Republicans voted for these bills. Of course the situation has reversed itself today, with the racist south being a Republican stronghold, but as per usual you and Shapiro both fail to tell us that because it doesn't suit your wingnut agenda.

Side: True.
1 point

I laughed my YAKOV.

Side: Wait..., what? No!
1 point

'Right' mindset... lmao.

Side: Wait..., what? No!