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Planned parenthood selling unborn Baby organs! This is what Democrats support.
You will hear no outcry from the Democrat party over this hideous news. You know why? Becuase they love Planned parenthood. They throw huge amounts of tax payer dollars to this extreme left wing pro abortion program. And as the director caught on tape admitted, these Politicians know this is going on and only speak of it behind closed doors.
With every scandal to any of their pet Liberal programs, the Liberal media will bury it. If you do not watch Fox news, you will only hear little blurbs of this hideous atrocity. This breaks every law on the books and the Democrat party will be silent!
Then those who vote for Democrats will deny it, or will say they do not support it while they keep electing the very Democrat politicians who keep the sick program going.
Now if it were a program supported by the GOP, this news would play non stop every day for weeks as they do when they want to race bate with a shooting of some criminal by a Cop.
You will hear no outcry from the many Liberals on this site but if spoken to about it, they will say how they are against it as they vote for the very people supporting it! LOLOL, what phoneys!
Selling unborn Baby organs will get no mention on Liberal media. They only have so much time per day when their news is consumed with what Transgender people and Gays are doing to push their agendas.
This breaks every law on the books and the Democrat party will be silent!
Yeah!!! The National Banking Act 1863!!!! Global Anti-Semitism Review Act of 2004!!! Help America Vote Act!!!! Every one of our laws ARGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!
It as if you just make angry coughs over your keyboard rather than argue. What you write makes no sense.
That is what Democrats support. It is called stem cell research. How is it illegal? Using tissue from aborted fetuses can help cure people of diseases. This is not outrageous to the left, even if the right did it.
To be fair, I think the big issue is whether or not Planned Parenthood is making a profit from accepting the money. They say it's for shipping and transportation costs or whatever but I feel like it still should be investigated.
No, it shouldn't. He is complaining that Planned Parenthood gets taxpayer money and that Planned Parenthood receives non taxpayer money. They have to get money from somewhere.
The last time we wasted money doing a stupid investigation was to figure out if Obama's birth certificate was valid. 8 years later we decided it didn't matter what his birth certificate said. Don't waste money investigating Planned Parenthood.
So because there's been a completely unrelated investigation in the past that failed, we shouldn't do any others? I don't understand how that's relevant at all.
If we don't learn from the past we are doomed to repeat it.
We know that the investigation will lead to results that we are ok with. Planned Parenthood is supposed to be selling organs to research facilities. If the result of the investigation will be considered fine we don't need the investigation. Just like Obama's birth certificate. As long as his mother is American we think he is a valid president. There was no need to do the investigation.
It is the same reason we don't let the CDC research if guns lead to gun deaths.
Provide the law. How can research facilities get organs if they don't buy them? Saying things are illegal doesn't make them illegal. Researchers need human organs. It's legal for them to use human organs. They won't be the ones getting the organs. Nothing is free.
Can you refer to which aspect of that law you believe makes the practice in question illegal, seeing as how that law refers to deceased humans (which, legally speaking, abortions do not create) and organs used for the purposes of transplants?
That is not what the law you linked to says, so I will ask again: Can you refer to which aspect of the law you are referring to? Or if that was not the law you meant to link to as evidence, can you provide a link to the law you are referring to?
"SEC. 301. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human organ for valua- ble consideration for use in human transplantation if the transfer affects interstate commerce."
Exactly, "for use in human transplantation". None of the tissue or organs in question from this topic are being used (or could be used) for that purpose.
I'm not so sure that you can sell organs even without the provision that they are not for transplantation. Because clearly that's not what the organs are being used for, yet many have stated that it would be a violation if Planned Parenthood made a profit from this practice. I guess I'll have to keep investigating.
So what you're saying is that I could legally buy a human organ as long as I don't use it for a transplant?
No you couldn't, due to Title 1 and 2. Well, unless the organ in question was obtained after an abortion, in which case I am uncertain. I simply know that the National Organ Transplant Act would not apply, and I have yet to see any other law that would make doing so illegal.
Additionally, I have seen FromWithin make the claim multiple times that making a profit from the practice would be illegal, but he has not provided any evidence that it actually would be, so I don't exactly trust the validity of that claim.
You don't create exceptions for things that don't apply. I quoted a specific group of people that the law applies to. It says the donor can not sell organs. I have explained to you at least twice why it shouldn't apply to companies.
Are you dense? You just asked how researchers can get organs if people cannot sell them, and I said through donation rather than sale. The issue is whether or not the company making the transaction should make a profit. I hope you would agree that they should not. But regardless, the point is that parties are arguing over is whether Planned Parenthood is making a profit from the fetal organs. Make sense?
You just asked how researchers can get organs if people cannot sell them
Stop for a second and look at the overall picture. If you read what I wrote based on the context of my overall argument you would have realized that I am talking about organizations. Why would you interpret my response as talking about people if you asked about organizations selling organs? That is dense. You asked a question about organizations and assumed my response had to do with individuals. It doesn't get any denser than that. Plus, how are the researchers who don't handle donations supposed to receive donations? They contract another company (Planned Parenthood) to handle getting the donations.
and I said through donation rather than sale.
Again, the organs sold by Planned Parenthood have been donated.
The issue is whether or not the company making the transaction should make a profit.
We as Americans have gone far past the point of checking if companies are making a profit. There are hundreds of accounting techniques to hide profit. You won't find any profit.
I hope you would agree that they should not.
They shouldn't.
But regardless, the point is that parties are arguing over is whether Planned Parenthood is making a profit from the fetal organs. Make sense?
No, the law says nothing about profiting off organs. No more wasting money investigating issues that we simply don't like. Only investigate stuff that is illegal. As a fiscal conservative it is unreasonable for me to suggest that we spend money investigating this. What kind of conservative are you to want the investigation?
Stop for a second and look at the overall picture. If you read what I wrote based on the context of my overall argument you would have realized that I am talking about organizations. Why would you interpret my response as talking about people if you asked about organizations selling organs? That is dense. You asked a question about organizations and assumed my response had to do with individuals. It doesn't get any denser than that. Plus, how are the researchers who don't handle donations supposed to receive donations? They contract another company (Planned Parenthood) to handle getting the donations.
That's not at all how I interpreted it. I meant that Planned Parenthood or any other organization could donate to researchers rather than sell to researchers.
Again, the organs sold by Planned Parenthood have been donated.
Again, that's not the point.
We as Americans have gone far past the point of checking if companies are making a profit. There are hundreds of accounting techniques to hide profit. You won't find any profit.
Fair point, but that doesn't make it right.
No, the law says nothing about profiting off organs. No more wasting money investigating issues that we simply don't like. Only investigate stuff that is illegal. As a fiscal conservative it is unreasonable for me to suggest that we spend money investigating this. What kind of conservative are you to want the investigation?
Sure it does. If they're making a profit, it is illegal. For one thing, I'm a social conservative so this kind of matters to me.
That's not at all how I interpreted it. I meant that Planned Parenthood or any other organization could donate to researchers rather than sell to researchers.
They don't need to donate because they are not the donors. It is unfair to them to say they have to cover all of the cost involved with getting the donated organs to the researchers.
Again, that's not the point.
Then, you are completely missing the point. The organs are donated. The law says the organs must be donated. Case closed.
Sure it does.
That says you are wrong ... again. That says Planned Parenthood hasn't done anything wrong. That says there should be no investigation.
Fair point, but that doesn't make it right.
It is your job to point out what you might find that is wrong. I am pointing out that the only thing you can possibly look for won't be found.
If they're making a profit, it is illegal.
False, they are allowed to charge for processing. "The term “valuable consideration” does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue."
For one thing, I'm a social conservative so this kind of matters to me.
Awesome. Spend us into massive debt and avoid giving freedom to anyone. You are magnificent.
They don't need to donate because they are not the donors. It is unfair to them to say they have to cover all of the cost involved with getting the donated organs to the researchers.
Right, of course they should be compensated but they shouldn't be making a profit.
Then, you are completely missing the point. The organs are donated. The law says the organs must be donated. Case closed.
What? That's not a valid conclusion.
That says you are wrong ... again. That says Planned Parenthood hasn't done anything wrong. That says there should be no investigation.
Where does it say that? Please enlighten me.
It is your job to point out what you might find that is wrong. I am pointing out that the only thing you can possibly look for won't be found.
Sure, you can hold whatever position you want.
False, they are allowed to charge for processing. "The term “valuable consideration” does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue."
Maybe you don't understand what a profit is. Again, yes it is fine for them to be paid for those costs but to receive more is against the law. Thus, a profit is indeed illegal. Nothing that you just said disproves my point.
Awesome. Spend us into massive debt and avoid giving freedom to anyone. You are magnificent.
Whatever. I'm going to stop now because this is ridiculous, you'd never admit that there was a problem no matter how much evidence is given.
No, you don't understand what profit is and how it will never be found.
Again, yes it is fine for them to be paid for those costs but to receive more is against the law.
What amount should they get paid? If you don't have that figure there is no point in having an investigation.
Thus, a profit is indeed illegal. Nothing that you just said disproves my point.
There is a list of things they can receive money for. You will never find anything in your investigation.
how much evidence is given
How dense are you? This is a discussion about whether we should go find evidence. You can't possibly provide any evidence because there isn't any. I am saying that an investigation will provide no evidence and you are saying that no law is being broken.
Ostensibly the reason the abortion itself is legal is because the fetus is not considered to be a viable, living human and therefore its organs would not be included under NOTA which pertains specifically to human organs.
THEY ARE HARVESTING ORGANS!!!!!!! NOT STEM CELLS!!!
They already have enough stem cells from other means to help cure people. These are organs from late term babies and the doctors are told not to crush the organs as they crush the rest of the Baby!!!!!!!!!
Do people like yourself even have a conscience any longer? Is there nothing absolutely wrong in this world other than people choosing to have a school prayer? Talk about misplaced concerns. In your sick world it is now ok to harvest organs by killing late term Babies?
THEY ARE HARVESTING ORGANS!!!!!!! NOT STEM CELLS!!!
It's the same thing really.
They already have enough stem cells from other means to help cure people.
Not according to liberals. This is a known fact if you don't get all of your news from Fox News.
These are organs from late term babies and the doctors are told not to crush the organs as they crush the rest of the Baby!!!!!!!!!
What are the organs used for? Does sparing the organs hurt the baby extra? Are liberals eating the organs?
Do people like yourself even have a conscience any longer?
I am trying to save people. Are you blind or illiterate?
Is there nothing absolutely wrong in this world other than people choosing to have a school prayer?
WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE ORGANS?
Talk about misplaced concerns.
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In your sick world it is now ok to harvest organs by killing late term Babies?
No you fucking idiot. It is ok to harvest organs of babies that were already going to be killed. Late term babies aren't being grown specifically to harvest their organs.
YOU TOTAL IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES PEOPLE WILL GET PREGNANT ON PURPOSE AND HAVE LATE TERM ABORTIONS TO SELL THE ORGANS YOU COMPLETE WASTE OF SPACE!
People kill all the time for money and late term abortions according to fools ike you are not done purely for birth control. They WILL be killing late term unborn babies who deserve life all for the purpose of MONEY!
People of humanity understand this but people like yourself have no conscience.
YOU TOTAL IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES PEOPLE WILL GET PREGNANT ON PURPOSE AND HAVE LATE TERM ABORTIONS TO SELL THE ORGANS YOU COMPLETE WASTE OF SPACE!
Planned Parenthood doesn't give any money to the pregnant women. You are wrong.
They WILL be killing late term unborn babies who deserve life all for the purpose of MONEY!
The woman chooses to have the abortion, not Planned Parenthood.
People of humanity understand this but people like yourself have no conscience.
What does this have to do with organs? Late term abortions don't become worse if you take the organs and give them to people who need them. It makes it better. How do you not understand this?
THEY ARE HARVESTING ORGANS!!!!!!! NOT STEM CELLS!!!
They are harvesting the organs for them stem cells.
They already have enough stem cells from other means to help cure people.
No, they don't. There is currently and insufficient quantity of stem cells to meet all needs.
These are organs from late term babies and the doctors are told not to crush the organs as they crush the rest of the Baby!!!!!!!!!
Would you rather the aborted "baby" (as you call it) be completely disposed of? What is wrong with trying to find some good to come of this unfortunate situation?
Do people like yourself even have a conscience any longer?
Do you?
Is there nothing absolutely wrong in this world other than people choosing to have a school prayer?
Why are you so utterly obsessed with forcing children to listen to your prayers?
Talk about misplaced concerns.
Coming from the guy who is incapable of talking about anything other than school prayer, abortion or homosexuality.
In your sick world it is now ok to harvest organs by killing late term Babies?
You have yet to explain why it is wrong to make use of an already dead "baby".
You will hear no outcry from the Democrat party over this hideous news.
What news? You have provided a claim with absolutely no evidence or proof.
You know why? Becuase they love Planned parenthood.
As they should. The organization does a lot of good.
They throw huge amounts of tax payer dollars to this extreme left wing pro abortion program
Abortion makes up such an incredibly small percentage of what PP does, so you are just being dishonest with your characterization.
And as the director caught on tape admitted, these Politicians know this is going on and only speak of it behind closed doors.
Care to provide a citation?
With every scandal to any of their pet Liberal programs, the Liberal media will bury it.
Where is your evidence?
If you do not watch Fox news, you will only hear little blurbs of this hideous atrocity.
FOX has been caught lying before, so why trust them? They are just as bad as MSNBC.
This breaks every law on the books and the Democrat party will be silent!
List one actual law that this supposed event breaks.
Then those who vote for Democrats will deny it, or will say they do not support it while they keep electing the very Democrat politicians who keep the sick program going.
If someone who votes Democratic denies supporting it, that would be because they don't support it. Very few people vote Democratic or Republican and support every single thing that party does or stands for.
Now if it were a program supported by the GOP, this news would play non stop every day for weeks as they do when they want to race bate with a shooting of some criminal by a Cop.
Based on what? Partisan speculation?
You will hear no outcry from the many Liberals on this site but if spoken to about it, they will say how they are against it as they vote for the very people supporting it! LOLOL, what phoneys!
I have already explained why this is nonsense. On top of that, there are not many liberals on this website, and even fewer Democratics.
Selling unborn Baby organs will get no mention on Liberal media.
Why should it? Stem cells are nothing new, and if abortion is happening anyway, why not at least try to have some good come out of it?
They only have so much time per day when their news is consumed with what Transgender people and Gays are doing to push their agendas.
Why are you so obsessed with them? You spend more time talking about them then "liberal media" does.
Edit: I must say, I would love* to see you stop being a coward and post on debates you don't have control over, as opposed to hiding behind the ban button and yelling at people who have no ability to respond. It truly is pathetic.
First of all I am proud to admit that I love abortion. Secondly they aren't babies they are fetuses. Also doing this allows people who actually have been born to be helped and they are more important than fetuses. A born human being is more important than an insentient and unborn creature.
What the hell is going on with you trying to link this to transgenders and gays? You are really obsessed with us LGBTs its so sad that you have so much contempt for us yet your life revolves around us.
First of all using stem cells from fetuses is legal. They might not be clumps of cells but they still are insentient so are not people and do not matter at all.
Please stop referring to me as being left wing when it is obvious that I am not and am on the right. You seem to confuse left with secular.
When the fetus is aborted i dont think it cares what happens to it. If it goes to stem cell research then that is a good thing. And no it doesnt mean more people will get abortions just to sell to stem cell research.
Well then you're literally stupid. The point is that selling fetal organs for a profit is illegal. It really means nothing for you to say it's fine
its not illegal just because you think it is or want it to be. The organs go to good use, and if the abortion clinic generates money off of that then thats a good thing too. Do you think the dead fetus or the parent wants to keep the organs? Why do you care so much?
Really? Are we in British grade school? Grow up, you've always been disrespectful.
That's why I'm not a democrat OR republican :/ Both sides have too many problems to count. It's much easier to be independent. The republican side can be sexist and charges more while democrats can be too lenient and crazy. Sad world, sad world.
First of all, most all politicans are liars and deceivers to get to the point of being elected to Congress or Presidency. Both sides have a core ideology which plays to Americans who more closely align with those ideologies. The Americans who agree will give money to help further their own ideologies. Quite simple to understand so what can we do to give power back to the people rather than to a bunch of corrupt policitians who use our tax dollars to buy votes?
The reason I vote for the GOP is because they are the lessor of two evils. They for the most part believe in SMALLER Government (translation, smaller amount of corruption).
It's not hard to understand that with smaller Government there is less Government control of the people and our money. With every new social program(that is all of a sudden supposedly needed), it creates many more thouands of jobs paid for by tax payers. Programs with no need to balance their budget as private industry must do. Government just taxes us more, or raises fees and fines, etc. to continually justify their bloated beuacracy. The more social programs they create, the more votes they have bought with our money.
Do you hear Democrats coming up with ways to get people off welfare? No because they want these people tied to the Democrat vote. Republicans believe in workfare where after 5 years you must find a job if able to do so. It's common sense to make people work for their handouts unless you are a corrupt Democrat politician.
The RINO's have become like Democrats never having a back bone to stop this bankruptcy of our nation.
We need true Conservatives who would call for a balanced budget amendment and force Politicians to quit buying votes with our nationl debt.
I would vote for an independant if he stood for smaller Government.
That's a good point, but I still have to say I prefer democrats over republicans :/ I don't have a very extensive knowledge of this topic, but it's interesting to learn more.
Well maybe you have not lived long enough to see the path this nation has been on since the so called Progressive movement took hold. Young people only know what they have seen and think this is just the way it is. They havebeen raised in a society that says Government, or the tax payers(not family and God) will take care of you no matter your irresponsible choices in life. We are living in the NO FAULT America where they tell you your personal irresponsible choices in life will in no way effect your quality of life. Government willbail you out no matter what! That is the worst part of the mentality of Political correctness. Accountabilty once mattered in America and was the reason people tried to live responsibly.
Just fifty years ago we had a nation not fearful of religious expresion in public. Most Ahteists and others had absolutely no fear of simple prayers in public schools if the community chose to have one. They understood the value of a simple prayer of love, forgiveness, safety, caring for others, etc. Kids understood that life did not solely revolve around themselves. They actually heard messages of the values derived from responsible living.(not sleeping around with people you did not love, etc.)
A small percentge of Liberals have taken over the Democrat party and have become the Political correct voice of America with a biased Liberal media bent on separating any mention of our Christian heritage in our public square. Can you believe the amount of media coverage given to the agendas of Gays and now Transgender people? Ask yourself why the fixation with weird sexual orientations when there are millions of other groups of people with their own agendas that get NO MENTION! Why is that? I believe it is an attack on our Christian heritage. They must lift up what tears down the Christian faith.
Our swollen welfare roles are a direct result of this separation because when a nation separates the moral conscience from it's diaolog, the vacuum will be filled with this Political correct madness we see to day.
The GOP stands up for our religious freedoms much much more than Democrats. Do you remember when we actually had Christmas and Easter holidays in school? All censored because of the lie of separation of church and state(nowhere in the constitution).
Well I digress but I believe the majority of people vote Democrat because they want Government to take care of them. This is very sad and a ticket to bankruptcy.
Personally, I think it's wonderful that they are giving coverage to Gays and Transgenders. And what "millions of other groups of people" are you talking about exactly? This is not an attempt to tear down Christian faith, you're just being overdramatic. I'm an atheist for a reason. Some parts of the Bible I find cruel. I'm fine with Christians who believe in gay rights and that Transgenders should be respected, but I don't respect people like you. You may think you're inspiring tons of people with your long essays on how the Christian faith is being torn down by Democrats, but I personally think those are all rumors spread by republicans. There's nothing you can do to change my mind, so I suggest not wasting your time.
I was never under any delusion your mind could be changed. You are of the new age indoctrination where weird sexual orientations can be spoken of in our schools to captive children, but a simple prayer is banned. It goes against everything America stood for and you have swallowed it hook line and sinker.
LOL, you actually don't know there are other groups of people in this nation who have a beef about their rights? I guess the Left has done their job well indoctrinating you to believe there are only gays and transexuals who need special mention.
No Christian I know of have any hatred or disdain for Gays or transgender people. You believe the lies from the Liberal media. We have a HUGE problem with the Left pushing their agenda onto Christian family businesses as well as Christian churches who have been sued to force acceptence of gay Sunday school teachers and now will be sued to force pastors to marry gay people.
We hve a huge problem being forced to pay for abortions and have every state forced to change their marriage laws.
We have a huge problem with the Democrat party trying to take our guns rights but of course you could care less about losing those freedoms because those things do not bother you. You would scream when they ban alcohol, or weed, or anything else you care about. You just lack the intellect to understand when a GOvernment can take one persons freedoms away they can come after your freedoms next.
I repeat, most people who vote for Democrats are either indoctrinated Liberals, or people looking for handouts from tax payers. You are probably one of the two.
Well maybe you have not lived long enough to see the path this nation has been on since the so called Progressive movement took hold. Young people only know what they have seen and think this is just the way it is. They havebeen raised in a society that says Government, or the tax payers(not family and God) will take care of you no matter your irresponsible choices in life. We are living in the NO FAULT America where they tell you your personal irresponsible choices in life will in no way effect your quality of life. Government willbail you out no matter what! That is the worst part of the mentality of Political correctness. Accountabilty once mattered in America and was the reason people tried to live responsibly.
Just fifty years ago we had a nation not fearful of religious expresion in public. Most Ahteists and others had absolutely no fear of simple prayers in public schools if the community chose to have one. They understood the value of a simple prayer of love, forgiveness, safety, caring for others, etc. Kids understood that life did not solely revolve around themselves. They actually heard messages of the values derived from responsible living.(not sleeping around with people you did not love, etc.)
A small percentge of Liberals have taken over the Democrat party and have become the Political correct voice of America with a biased Liberal media bent on separating any mention of our Christian heritage in our public square. Can you believe the amount of media coverage given to the agendas of Gays and now Transgender people? Ask yourself why the fixation with weird sexual orientations when there are millions of other groups of people with their own agendas that get NO MENTION! Why is that? I believe it is an attack on our Christian heritage. They must lift up what tears down the Christian faith.
Our swollen welfare roles are a direct result of this separation because when a nation separates the moral conscience from it's diaolog, the vacuum will be filled with this Political correct madness we see to day.
The GOP stands up for our religious freedoms much much more than Democrats. Do you remember when we actually had Christmas and Easter holidays in school? All censored because of the lie of separation of church and state(nowhere in the constitution).
Well I digress but I believe the majority of people vote Democrat because they want Government to take care of them. This is very sad and a ticket to bankruptcy.
I was never under any delusion your mind could be changed. You are of the new age indoctrination where weird sexual orientations can be spoken of in our schools to captive children, but a simple prayer is banned. It goes against everything America stood for and you have swallowed it hook line and sinker.
LOL, you actually don't know there are other groups of people in this nation who have a beef about their rights? I guess the Left has done their job well indoctrinating you to believe there are only gays and transexuals who need special mention.
No Christian I know of have any hatred or disdain for Gays or transgender people. You believe the lies from the Liberal media. We have a HUGE problem with the Left pushing their agenda onto Christian family businesses as well as Christian churches who have been sued to force acceptence of gay Sunday school teachers and now will be sued to force pastors to marry gay people.
We hve a huge problem being forced to pay for abortions and have every state forced to change their marriage laws.
We have a huge problem with the Democrat party trying to take our guns rights but of course you could care less about losing those freedoms because those things do not bother you. You would scream when they ban alcohol, or weed, or anything else you care about. You just lack the intellect to understand when a GOvernment can take one persons freedoms away they can come after your freedoms next.
I repeat, most people who vote for Democrats are either indoctrinated Liberals, or people looking for handouts from tax payers. You are probably one of the two.