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When pornographic material is produced by mature and fully consenting people in a safe manner, and disseminated through responsible sources, it's no worse than any other form of entertainment.
Blaming porn for teens being shallow and lustful is like blaming the weather man because it's raining. Porn represents market forces, teens watch porn because they have the biological imperatives that make them sexually inclined, it's not wrong or harmful. But it's what people, especially teenagers want. You can't repress a teenager's sexuality anymore than you should repress a person's desire to eat, and porn is a perfectly healthy outlet for that desire. And it's not like through out all of history people were only judged for what was on the inside and physical attributes had nothing to do with that, and it wasn't until our terrible modern era that the evil corruptive porn has caused people to drop to such shallow desires. It's not that people hate porn, it's that people hate their own sexuality. They see it as lowly and perverted but it really isn't. It's something that people should embrace, not look down on. It's in our biology to like porn, humans are frisky little critters, don't blame porn, it's in our genetics and it is certainly not something to be looked down upon.
I think pornography is in no way a bad influence when almost everybody knows about sex anyway and engages in it. And pornography can be a source of providing finance and building the economy. Pornography can also be good because for it to be legal, it has to be amongst or between consenting adults who are at a certain age deemed legal. Who chooses to look at pornography is their personal business and the government or no one should be able to infringe on this right and tell people what they should look at sexually in their own privacy.
Pornography,is in nature, and in photography, balls that hang on a bull, sight of them, they're not harmful,penis spied on a dog, harmless as a hopping frog, why do human think that porn is harmful, about normal earthly pleasure quibble?
This is another example of an upside down issue. Porn is no worse than most unquestionably harmful and socially acepted media is.
For example, it's not ok for my son to watch naked girls at 16, but it's ok for him to massacre people, blow up cars and wreck havok in Grand Theft Auto or watching the bad guys go rampant in the movies...
This is analogous to cigarettes being legal and weed being not.
Porn is no worse than the meaning of the word "taboo" itself.
There are a considerable amount of people in wheel chairs who are never going to have an intimate partner in life and they depend on pornography as their outlet.
It puts pressure on teenagers to look better and flash their flesh around, replacing love with lust. The modern day boy doesn't date a girl because of anything other than the shape of her breasts or any other body part.
"Porn doesn't fuel the desire. It feeds the desire. That desire comes naturaly. "
feeding=fueling
"I remember wanting to see my girl friends naked way before watching any porn or erotics."
No offence, but thats just you, you don't account for the entire male population of this planet. How do we know you don't have a mental disorder or something?
I thought you meant fueling as in creating that desire or making it rise from it's "slumber". Like "making it work" while it was idle.
It wasn't just me in my group of friends and at school. I figure it's not something that happens with all the people, but can very well happen naturaly with some or many. Otherwise, why would a group of 11 year old kids get all happy for finding a couple of porn magazines? During my early youth I have never seen a friend of mine be less than happy about that, or for even less than that like watching playboy late at night in secrecy from the parents, in the bedroom tv... (it was soft playboy)
Only the adults seemed a bit unconsenting about us seeing such things, for some reason that we couldn't really understand.
About mental disorders, well, who's to know... I always felt pretty much "normal", especialy when I compared myself to some others... Generaly speaking. But I can't do much if you don't think that way.
You can only call something ugly if there is someting else to compare it to.
"'Twere better to flash such flesh as
Familiar society would have worn visible than,
Like a silent maid closet thyself away
In a meanness of spirit. With this regard shall
The Catholics in wanton ignorance be best opposed."
Is this a some sort of poem or something?
If so, could you refrain from expressing your opinion in riddles and other cryptic methods .
"Love is but a prettied form of lust."
Lust is not love if you don't wish to anything other than have sex with someone.
"Boulderdash."
Its how the media present it and how society accepts it. Most young boys I know ,when talking about dating immediatly refer to body parts and how they can make sex more pleasurable.
You can only call something ugly if there is someting else to compare it to.
It is never so easy to tolerate what would otherwise be intolerable, as when it abounds in such loathsome quantity as renders anything besides an oddity.
Is this a some sort of poem or something?
No.
If so, could you refrain from expressing your opinion in riddles and other cryptic methods .
There was no riddle.
Lust is not love if you don't wish to anything other than have sex with someone.
Love is but the glue between two lovers.
Its how the media present it and how society accepts it.
How the media presents a thing, and how society accepts a thing, are two entirely different matters to how a thing is.
Most young boys I know ,when talking about dating immediatly refer to body parts and how they can make sex more pleasurable.
They are boys. They have evolved to find these parts attractive.
Which is more, one who has never experienced romantic love would hardly associate it with previous relationships, would he?
"It is never so easy to tolerate what would otherwise be intolerable, as when it abounds in such loathsome quantity as renders anything besides an oddity."
Once again your own opinion appears to be encrypted within this complex sentance and at present I have neither the time nor brain power to figure it out.
"No."
You started of the paragraph with the word "Twas" which is a word used in old english or when someone is speaking. Therefore I assumed you were quoting someone also the format your paragraph was set in was similar to that of a poem.
"Love is but the glue between two lovers"
Love is where you always want to be with someone, whereas lust is just were you want to have sex with them.
"How the media presents a thing, and how society accepts a thing, are two entirely different matters to how a thing is."
I know there are thats why I said both of them instead of just "thats how the media present it".
"They are boys. They have evolved to find these parts attractive."
Society has brought them up to have a hunger for the female body. you cannot honestly believe that people have evolved to such a state that they must watch each other in the nude to entertain themselves.
"Which is more, one who has never experienced romantic love would hardly associate it with previous relationships, would he?"
I live in some stupid, dirty town along the south coast, these kids are capable of anything including under-aged sex(which is the cause of peer pressure and pornography)
Once again your own opinion appears to be encrypted within this complex sentance and at present I have neither the time nor brain power to figure it out.
It is not at all complex: "It is easy to find something acceptable if you know of no alternative".
You started of the paragraph with the word "Twas" which is a word used in old english or when someone is speaking.
'Twere is but the contraction of It were. And it survived up until middle English.
Therefore I assumed you were quoting someone also the format your paragraph was set in was similar to that of a poem.
It was blank verse, but there was no poetry.
Love is where you always want to be with someone, whereas lust is just were you want to have sex with them.
As I said, love is just a mechanism to increase fertility.
Society has brought them up to have a hunger for the female body.
No, boys naturally have a hunger for the female body. That's the effect of sexual reproduction.
you cannot honestly believe that people have evolved to such a state that they must watch each other in the nude to entertain themselves.
That's exactly what I believe. Do you honestly believe that people used to like sex less?
I live in some stupid, dirty town along the south coast
Good lord, not Devon?
hese kids are capable of anything including under-aged sex(which is the cause of peer pressure and pornography)
Underage is just an arbitrary legal technicality, and you're just jealous. And underage sex is the cure to pornography, not the cause.
"It is not at all complex: "It is easy to find something acceptable if you know of no alternative"."
It may not be complex to the standard of english you've been brought up with but I live in some stupid, dirty town where the most education level of english is "wazzup".
"'Twere is but the contraction of It were. And it survived up until middle English.It was blank verse, but there was no poetry."
My point was that it wasn't in argument structure and I wasn't prepared for it(which may have been a fatal mistake of mine).
"As I said, love is just a mechanism to increase fertility."
Pornography has nothing to do with love it is just about sex.
"No, boys naturally have a hunger for the female body. That's the effect of sexual reproduction. "
It isn't helping at the rate that pornography is fueling this desire. And most of the sexual moves involved in most of these videos arent "natural" anyway.
"That's exactly what I believe. Do you honestly believe that people used to like sex less?"
It was frowned upon to talk of such things in public(well among the rich, anyway)
but I have no doubt that individuals longed for it was much as we do.
"Good lord, not Devon?"
Oh no not there, I live in Hastings (trust me it isn't as good as its presented)
"Underage is just an arbitrary legal technicality,"
I was saying that it is in fact quite likely that they have expreienced sex before. "and you're just jealous."
These are the kind of people who talk about sex:
Thick imbeciles who have actually had it, they also take drugs, smoke and drink all of which shortends their lifespan considerably. they also get into fights and are expelled several times.
Nerdy ballshitters who sit at home all day on their games consoles meaning that they are unlikely to have done anything with a girl, but claim to have had sex because it's "cool".
I can gladly tell you I am definatly not jealous of these people and I hope I never fall down into their level.
"And underage sex is the cure to pornography, not the cause."
Underaged-sex is an outcome of pornography. Children get hold of some pornogrphy to merely climb the social ladder a few rungs as they have advanced into the adult world further than anyone else. All they other kids realise that this is a cheap and easy way to become popular and copy it, soon someone jumps even further when they claim to have actually had sex and before you know it they're doing it everywhere.
a) I did say partially. I am a man and some years back I was a teen. I am aware of the effect our more primal urges can have. But the way we respond to these urges is largely dependent on the environment we are in. Our environment is highly sexualized, yet we try to keep our kids abstinent until a few years after they reach sexual maturity. We like to think of this as civilized, I disagree.
b) Biology doesn't drive kids to look at porn. Porn isn't biological. It is media, however. Biology drives kids to want to do what their drives demand. Since we aren't too keen on letting them do that, they will fantasize. Media, in many of its forms, gives a sort of structure to that fantasy. But outside of porn, the media-fueled fantasy has a limited structure, which leads me to...
c) I can only speak from personal experience and I don't know how typical it is, but: my first exposure to the nude female form was in brief nude scenes in movies my parents watched. This was where my first sexual fantasies turned up. But after awhile there were still some unanswered questions. When I found out there was a whole genre of entertainment where those questions were graphically answered, I knew I must discover this goldmine. Of course I probably would have sought out porn at some point. But I do believe I would have taken longer to get there had I not been primed by bared breasts in Conan at a young age :)
"The problem is, the rest of society is doing it too. Advertising and Hollywood are much more visible, therefore probably have more impact on teens.
Besides, porn isn't meant for teens. Its partially all the teasing they get from media that drives them to seek it out in the first place."
Are you actually disagreeing with me?
This reminds me of a point I forgot to make in my introduction: I believe that pornography shouldn't be banned altogether but there should be stricter measures taken to ensure those under 18 do not view it.
I'd like to say that pornography should be accessible to a younger age than 18. Because by then most of us weren't virgins anyway. And sex shouldn't be made a taboo.
"I'd like to say that pornography should be accessible to a younger age than 18. Because by then most of us weren't virgins anyway. And sex shouldn't be made a taboo."
I wasn't the one to decide that restriction but they are enforcing it terribly.
I'd like to say that pornography should be accessible to a younger age than 18. Because by then most of us weren't virgins anyway. And sex shouldn't be made a taboo.
Agree. Many boys and girls nowadays at 13 already know very well what sex is about. Hidding sex from them is just plain ridiculous, since they now have cellphones and cameras and they can even make their own homemade porn stuff.
I'm disagreeing with your assessment that porn is a major contributing factor in the problem you described. Yes, teens get a heck of a lot of pressure to look better, to not be happy with who they are, and to view the opposite sex lustfully. But between ads on tv, movies and the stress placed on them by peers and sometimes even family, I think that the problem is a much bigger social issue than whether or not people are being filmed doing the same thing that allowed them to be born in the first place.
"I believe that pornography shouldn't be banned altogether but there should be stricter measures taken to ensure those under 18 do not view it."
"I'm disagreeing with your assessment that porn is a major contributing factor in the problem you described. Yes, teens get a heck of a lot of pressure to look better, to not be happy with who they are, and to view the opposite sex lustfully. But between ads on tv, movies and the stress placed on them by peers and sometimes even family, I think that the problem is a much bigger social issue than whether or not people are being filmed doing the same thing that allowed them to be born in the first place. "
They are not doing the same thing that allowed them to be born, there are many sexual positions(and more being invented, and over multiple persons) and only 1 of these produces a baby
My point was that most societies have laws and social mores against minors possessing or viewing porn. There are already many people actively trying to prevent it, often including members of their own family. This doesn't always work. Teens can be quite good at doing things they aren't supposed to. Honestly, I feel that putting negative connotations on pornography isn't useful in this regard.
However, the point I was making is that teens are not the target audience (indeed, I doubt they ever pay the distributors a dime), they are not legally allowed access and this particular genre of entertainment is adult in nature. Basically, I'm saying that teens are a rather small part of the porn equation (and conversely, porn is small part of the teen equation)
It puts pressure on teenagers to look better and flash their flesh around, replacing love with lust. The modern day boy doesn't date a girl because of anything other than the shape of her breasts or any other body part.
Pornography has absolutely nothing to do with that. Pornography hardly ever promotes body shapes or anything that's related to it. Teen magazines, fashion magazines, pop magazines, beauty comercials, and all that sort of trash have much more influence in that matter than anything else.
Pornography, on the other hand, actualy promotes all kinds of body shapes. Just go on google and type the words "fat porn" and switch to images. You'll be amazed at the availability it has.
And btw, love is not sex (lust) so it can't be oriented by porn. Love is affection. "Making love" is just the conventional and convenient expression we use to tell the young children what that couple is doing on tv.
