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In the debate “Dawkins, high priest of atheism, approves ‘mild pedophlia’” I wrote simply “I find that disturbing. So I guess atheist leaders and religious leaders have more in common than we all thought. Except the religious leaders go all the way with their child rape.” In SaintNow’s reply he asserts “you sound like a molester yourself.” There is nothing that I wrote that either endorses Dawkins’ on mild pedophilia or suggests any evidence that I myself would do such a thing. And then he banned me to allow the smear to go unanswered. That is cheap low class low skill debating, right there. Smear, block, run.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I banned you because you were avoiding the topic of the debate which was the sick thinking of Dawkins as he excuses pedophilia........and the logical progression of that discussion would be that such a man should be dethroned by atheists and not held in esteem yet somehow they ignore how sick the man really is and they still idolize him.

Why don't you post my reply from that debate? Here, I'll do it for you since apparently you are too cowardly to face it yourself.

So you too seem to be saying "mild molestation" by pedophiles against children is not bad, and since there are many priests who did it, it's okay that it was done to Dawkins and it's okay that Dawkins is basically saying all he Catholic priests should be let off the hook because mild molestation is not bad for children and it's okay for pedophiles to molest children as long as it's "mild"?

you sound like a molester yourself.......acting like mild molestation is okay compared to whatever you think some priests might have done. But at least you started by agreeing that what Dawkins said about the issue is disturbing. I'm not making excused for anybody who molests children in any way or to any degree. They should all be in jail or executed.

The point here is Dawkins, the high priest of atheism, is a pervert and gets a pass on it from his supporters....and by giving him that pass, they are all guilty with Dawkins for promoting criminal perversion against children.

Yes I'm smearing you with your own mud as the way you are arguing is to allow for the "mild molestation" Dawkins was subjected to and which he says now that he finds is acceptable and harmless.

Nobody is trying to excuse Catholic priests who tend to be homos and drunks due to their stupid requirement of celibacy for the priesthood and temptations of wine which tends to loose morals.....a requirement I guess has changed in recent years but over decades or centuries became a breeding ground for homosexuals and wino with priests sharing some alcohol with alter boys and loosening up with them. Nobody here is excusing that behavior, it seems like you are excusing Dawkins' endorsement of "mild molestation", DAWKINS EXCUSES MOST OF THE SEXUAL DEVIANCY AND ALL "mild" MOLESTATION DONE BY CATHOLIC PRIESTS.

If you are going to condemn the priests, you need to also condemn the high priest of atheism, Dawkins, or you are obviously the real hypocrite............and if you won't condemn Dawkins' approval of "mild molestation" which excuses most of the behavior of the priests you hate, I really have to wonder if you were one of those altar boys and you are disturbed trying to hide your own perversion.

I banned you because you were avoiding the topic of the debate which was the sick thinking of Dawkins as he excuses pedophilia........and the logical progression of that discussion would be that such a man should be dethroned by atheists and not held in esteem yet somehow they ignore how sick the man really is and they still idolize him.

So answer the smear. I have implied there is good reason to believe you are trying to cover your own perversion. I could be wrong, but I have reason to suspect that I am right by the way you are talking and acting.

Grenache(6053) Disputed
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Nope. I agreed with you when I said I found it disturbing. And you smeared me when you twisted that into then I must be a pedophile. And then you banned me because you're a coward. And everyone on this site knows that's why you do it.

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Saintnow(3227) 1 point

There is a correct and simple answer to the question. Try it on yourself, say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning in it now?". You are supposed to be a Bible believing Christian (even though you like to make up your own versions to suit your own idea), so you should already know there is no "if" about Hell and you should know the correct answer as to why you are not burning there now. I'll give you a clue....it's always new, it's the only thing that is always new in this world, moment by moment it's always new

1hr ago

What is wrong with you? You are being as dense as boulders!

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The better conclusion is...................

The fact that I (a sinner and god mocker) am NOT burning in Hell right now is proof that Hell does not exist.

And now my question yo you, which I got from the video.....

"You don't listen to MY imaginary friend, so why should I listen to yours?"

SS

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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You really liked that line from the video!

I don't have an imaginary friend, I walk with a King, and I know Him. And I am known by Him. And my question is, Does He know you?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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The fact that you are not burning in Hell proves God is not giving you (yet) what you deserve.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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So in order for God to be God, He would have to kill you now for being a mocker, and if He does not do that, then He is not God and does not exist?

You never thought maybe God does not want to kill you and leave you in Hell, so He's giving you time that maybe you will come to terms with Him to secure pardon and be forgiven?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Your imaginary friends do not compare to God, you are trying to change God into something that can be imagined, something no bigger than your brain, like Big Bird and it's Big Bird Brain. You are creating a straw man which is not God, and arguing against your created absurdity. Isn't that kind of a waste of time, creating Big Bird and then arguing that Big Bird is not real? Why in the world waste time arguing about something that is not real...except that you feel like you are succeeding in keeping God from ruling over you.

Then, knowing you, you will say "god is a created absurdity"......to which I would say "the god you create is an absurdity, God is the One who gave you the ability to create absurdities and He thinks your pursuit of absurdity is a joke." God will let you have the absurdity you want, and that absurdity is fully realized in Hell where your entire existence will seem nothing but absurd in eternal torment. Sorry friend, that's the way it is. I'm simply stating facts. You are making an absurd argument against God by creating a straw man version of something less than God which is absurd....then you LOL at your own absurdity.......and you wonder why the Bible in Psalm 14 calls atheists fools before it describes their corrupt moral character?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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You should listen to God because He is trying to stop you from going to Hell. Your imaginary friends will not be in Heaven as they exalt themselves against the knowledge of God, but you can have them in your imagination in Hell...but in Hell, I don't think you'll want them as thinking of them would only add to your torments.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Your imaginary friends can't keep you out of Hell........I don't know why God is keeping you out of Hell as you seem bound and determined to get there. God is trying to keep you out of Hell. If I were you, I would listen to God but you prefer your imaginary friends.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Why don't you just answer the question? The answer to the question is mentioned in the Bible multiple times more than references to Hell. You claim to be a Christian so you should know the answer and be happy to repeat that answer as it is so jubilantly stated uncounted (at least by me, I'm sure somebody has counted how many times in the Bible the answer to my simple question is mentioned).

I pose the question for these lost people, "if Hell is real, why am I not burning in it now?" to try to get them to think. Atheism is abandonment of thinking, hiding behind a mental block wall blocking out God. They do this because they know they are guilty but are trying to avoid admitting it. If they can't admit they are guilty before God, they will not be saved from Hell. My question is valid for everybody, we all should be able to answer the question but few can. Can you?

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Saintnow, it is frustrating to leave something that is condescending to require a response, than ban.

It's kind of unjust even!

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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you were posting too much graffiti and not addressing the question which was designed for discussion and attacking me personally rather than discuss the question. I was more than fair to give you more than one chance in your disruptive manners excluding me from the discussion I hoped to create and pulling me into your little personal issues.

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the kid makes some very valid and interesting points.

And I noticed that none of the believers in the group could answer him. Just as none of the Christians here can answer him. I loved it when he said..."You don't listen to my imaginary friend, so why should I listen yo yours?"

LOL

Spot on, mate!

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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I turned it off, it sounded grotesque and I didn't give it even a few seconds.

I don't know that I'd be easy to shake down without a response. But the video sounded like legion, a crop of demons, I wasn't interested in giving legion an audience!

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Your imaginary friends do not compare to God, you are trying to change God into something that can be imagined, something no bigger than your brain, like Big Bird and it's Big Bird Brain. You are creating a straw man which is not God, and arguing against your created absurdity. Isn't that kind of a waste of time, creating Big Bird and then arguing that Big Bird is not real? Why in the world waste time arguing about something that is not real...except that you feel like you are succeeding in keeping God from ruling over you.

Then, knowing you, you will say "god is a created absurdity"......to which I would say "the god you create is an absurdity, God is the One who gave you the ability to create absurdities and He thinks your pursuit of absurdity is a joke." God will let you have the absurdity you want, and that absurdity is fully realized in Hell where your entire existence will seem nothing but absurd in eternal torment. Sorry friend, that's the way it is. I'm simply stating facts. You are making an absurd argument against God by creating a straw man version of something less than God which is absurd....then you LOL at your own absurdity.......and you wonder why the Bible in Psalm 14 calls atheists fools before it describes their corrupt moral character?

I don't even need to watch the video, and I won't watch it as I know it's garbage and I don't want the stink of it in my head........I can see already what it is, creating a thing less than God which is an absurdity and then saying the absurdity is not God and therefore God cannot be God.......it's a nonsensical pursuit of absurdity, the labor of fools.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Reminds me of Legion, many Devils

Legion went into the swine.

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Atrag(5666) Disputed
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But answer this: if hell is real, why arent you burning in it?

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another fan! 1

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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But answer this: if hell is real, why arent you burning in it?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Bang!!! Punk, your luck ran out. ahahhahahahahhahhahahhah

Now ask yourself a question.........say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning it it now"

Answer: It as only television, Clint didn't really shoot you, it was just me banning you, I hope your not burning in Hell.

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Bang!!! Punk, your luck ran out. ahahhahahahahhahhahahhah

Now ask yourself a question.........say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning it it now"

Answer: It as only television, Clint didn't really shoot you, it was just me banning you, I hope your not burning in Hell.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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How many times is Hell even mentioned in the Bible?

Because it seems like it's the only thing mentioned in your version!

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Don't you care that most of these people are on their way to Hell? The Bible really has nothing else for people who are on their way to Hell. Hell is all the Bible has for people who love their sin more than life and will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from Hell.

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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But answer this: if hell is real, why arent you burning in it?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Figure it out for yourself. I know the answer, you can figure it out......unless you are dumb as a monkey and devious like a devil.....which you obviously are.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Bang!!! Punk, your luck ran out. ahahhahahahahhahhahahhah

Now ask yourself a question.........say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning it it now"

Answer: It as only television, Clint didn't really shoot you, it was just me banning you, I hope your not burning in Hell.

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Saintnow(3230) 1 point

notice this....your husband must have built a tree fort to get away from your preaching.

Also notice that I banned you.

42mins ago

L O L , Y O U BANNED M E !! L O L !!

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Bang!!! Punk, your luck ran out. ahahhahahahahhahhahahhah

Now ask yourself a question.........say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning it it now"

Answer: It as only television, Clint didn't really shoot you, it was just me banning you, I hope your not burning in Hell.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Well I sure would be climbing a tree trying to get away from your "teaching". He's probably up a tree now and you can't reach him to teach him and you have to be teaching somebody so here you are tying to teach everybody.

Sometimes you can't teach them, most of them will not be taught..... all you can do is preach at them, give them some good old fashioned Hell fire and brimstone preaching against sin.

To me, being banned just means I won. I'm currently batting a thousand; I am undefeated.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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You are batting over a thousand. There were several debates I banned you from before you could post your stupidity.

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Stupidity epitomizes your posts and is the essence of your being, Pea Brain.

I'll pray for you, Bro and put in a good word for you when I see J.C.

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It's honestly funny when he bans. Like a kid putting their fingers in their ears so they don't have to hear logic.

But what REALLY makes me laugh is when he turns into the broken record. The moment he does is typically when he can't figure out a way to debate anymore on the facts presented.

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Ahh, he means well, hopefully he goes through a growth spurt soon.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Do you think Mint Tea is saved? I have seen nothing but words and actions of a lost person there.....do you care if she is saved or not? Are you a Calvinist?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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You see? You talk to Mint Tea like she is s sister yet by all indications she is an unregenerate sinner dead in her sins and on her way to Hell. You put me, a brother, down while you stroke her ego when she is in sin and she is wrong in her constant and never changing attacks on me which are hateful. She hates the truth.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Mint_tea(172) 1 point

You've asked me several times how I "felt" about you, I think I kinda feel sad for you now. Like, genuinely I hope your account was hacked or something and you aren't really this broken.

I really don't care how you "feel" about me, I care what God thinks about me and how He feels about me. I don't recall ever asking you how you feel about me because I really don't care. You have always acted like you hate me and that's your problem, not mine. Sorry.

Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
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Except I don't hate you. You may see people who disagree with you as hating you, but that's on you.

Oh I'm sorry you've asked "how do you like me now" to me multiple times. So the answer is still the same, both in what I've said before and what I said earlier. I don't like you, I don't dislike you, but I do feel kinda sad for you. Good thing you don't care.

SatintLater(283) Disputed
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I care what God thinks about me and how He feels about me.

and how is it that god feels about you Saint? please back up your points with evidence.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Bang!!! Punk, your luck ran out. ahahhahahahahhahhahahhah

Now ask yourself a question.........say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning it it now"

Answer: It as only television, Clint didn't really shoot you, it was just me banning you, I hope your not burning in Hell.

Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
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Ooops, there's your broken record routine, guess you have nothing else meaningful to say. Moving on.

Whatever they are, they are not aliens, they are liars and lies originate in Hell.

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SatintLater(264) Disputed Banned 1 point

so...you'd really think that God only made one sentient creature. what about Angels? are they from the physical heaven or a metaphysical heaven? and why does it follow that there are ONLY humans on ONLY one planet. God made the heavens. the bible doesn't mention those places beyond. so where does it say that humans were the only ones kicked from eden?

8 days ago

Funniest thing is it wasn't even Saint's debate and I legit have no clue why I was bannified. Saint never replied. he got banned too?!?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Bang!!! Punk, your luck ran out. ahahhahahahahhahhahahhah

Now ask yourself a question.........say to yourself "If Hell is real, why am I not burning it it now"

Answer: It as only television, Clint didn't really shoot you, it was just me banning you, I hope your not burning in Hell.

SatintLater(283) Disputed
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yet again, I ask you to explain the relevance of this statement. because it seems highly irrelevant. I'm really one to talk. but I was just trolling before. this here seems to be very real that you think this somehow discredits my point. it doesn't. what evidence suggests that humans are alone in the universe?

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Hey SaintNow, when you make a strawman argument attacking people for making a strawman argument you look like a complete fool.

DEBATE: Defying God

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Defying_God#arg743980

MY POST: I don't know what response you expect from this. He makes these videos for people who already hold those beliefs, he isn't arguing with atheists. Alright, I'll just grab the most outrageous quote from there.

"Atheists should be banned from holding public office."

He believes that atheist have no morals, other than they're own person "evil" agenda and can't be trusted to be any kind of leader. Well sir, this is direct violation of the constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArticleSixoftheUnitedStatesConstitution

Your argument is invalid.

END

SAINTNOW: I'm not even reading your garbage before I ban you, foul mouth punk. You think you are so stinking cool, I think I'll give you the boot and try not to let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

END

I reported him for his abusive response, though I doubt anything will come of it. His response included slander, sexual harassment, and terroristic threats to my cheeks. He says that he's "not even reading" my post, but you know he did. The reason he said he didn't read it is because he knew I was right and there was no way he could come back with an appropriate counter point. Ironic that he shows a video of man saying that "atheists have no morals therefor shouldn't be allowed to have any position of leadership." yet he can't even fairly run a web debate.

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Ohhhh a new one I got banned on. Honestly I laughed pretty hard that it was his immediate response. He wrote:

"evolution is the religion of death, you love death when you trust in evolution and death is all you will get out of it, forever dying in the lake of fire, frying like an eternal sausage.........stuck in the death you are in now, with no hope of ending it through evolution."

in http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ God sPlanVSYour_Plan#arg745432

I responded:

"Even if you can loosely argue that Evolution is a religion....it isn't but putting that aside, if it's anything it supports life finding a way to survive in an ever changing environment. It's beating the odds set against you by adapting, growing and learning different techniques through time, trial and error. To me that's beautiful, the persistence of life.... not something morbid like a religion of death."

No attacks, no name calling but sure enough he bans me then goes on a 4 post rant knowing I can't respond. Too funny! Pretty soon he's going to be a very lonely debater when he bans everyone for daring to disagree.

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Saintnow- Sorry, your "surgery" analogy is not Biblical. You don't need surgery, death is required for new life to arise.

John 12:24

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.”

Repentance which results in salvation through faith in the blood of Christ puts a sinner in a place recognizing the condemnation of death he is in for sin. When Christ comes in to a person who believes on Him and receives Him by faith, He gives that person a new heart. It's not a "surgery".

I don't want a doctrinal debate with you here. If you are going to comment in my debates, keep your saying in line with scripture. This: "The death and Resurrection is surgery, sterilizing, and cutting away sin and fallen flesh, and darkness away from our hearts and spirits." is non-scriptural gobbeldy gook from your own feelings trying to express your own feelings in faith but twisting Bible doctrine out of your pride of thinking you have special insight, typical of Calvinists and those who believe in any form or theistic evolution.

8mins ago

Actually it is. Flesh is cut away through the cross. What is the difference between a surgical analogy and one of a potter and clay. Isnt the Spirit doing a work of renewal. Isnt that work because of His death on the cross? Isnt that the gate?

Isnt the cross a circumscision of heart and of removing flesh from spirit?

Colossians 2:9

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Colossians 1

13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,

14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,

20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

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Saintnow- Sorry, your "surgery" analogy is not Biblical. You don't need surgery, death is required for new life to arise.

John 12:24

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.”

Repentance which results in salvation through faith in the blood of Christ puts a sinner in a place recognizing the condemnation of death he is in for sin. When Christ comes in to a person who believes on Him and receives Him by faith, He gives that person a new heart. It's not a "surgery".

I don't want a doctrinal debate with you here. If you are going to comment in my debates, keep your saying in line with scripture. This: "The death and Resurrection is surgery, sterilizing, and cutting away sin and fallen flesh, and darkness away from our hearts and spirits." is non-scriptural gobbeldy gook from your own feelings trying to express your own feelings in faith but twisting Bible doctrine out of your pride of thinking you have special insight, typical of Calvinists and those who believe in any form or theistic evolution.

8mins ago

Actually it is. Flesh is cut away through the cross. What is the difference between a surgical analogy and one of a potter and clay. Isnt the Spirit doing a work of renewal. Isnt that work because of His death on the cross? Isnt that the gate?

Isnt the cross a circumscision of heart and of removing flesh from spirit?

Colossians 2:9

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Colossians 1

13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,

14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,

20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

It seems to me you are combative to other believers. Are you lofty or judgemental?