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 Poverty does not cause crime (34)

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Poverty does not cause crime

“Most violent crime is not motivated by economic issues at all. It is not motivated by money. It is motivated by anger, by disputes, by conflicts between individuals.”


Barry Latzer 
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What more to say not much but check with the South Side of Chicago and then get back to me. By the way that City is run by none other than Leftist. The story speaks for it's self!

I am disabled. and very low income, and I do not commit crime. You can't expect a free ride in life, and I begin job training, so do not whine. Poverty, and injustice are not an excuse for crime. Instead, call on Jesus Christ, seek His will, and He will provide for you. Nor do I respect rich people who commit crime. Also, are we refering to excessive crimes, like murder? Don't kill shit!

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OMG some douche bag said something that supports what I think with no evidence or reason so it must be true deeerrrrrrrrr

Hootie(661) Disputed
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OMG some douche bag said something that supports what I think with no evidence or reason so it must be true deeerrrrrrrrr

He's literally a moron. This question has been being studied in academia for decades and the conclusions are clear.

Jody(1356) Disputed
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Talking to yourself again Nom , why not make another appeal to authority? You could use that fianacial blog you used earlier to support what you cannot argue yourself 👋👋👋

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This question has been being studied in academia for decades and the conclusions are clear.

Except that academia bases its studies on politics rather than reality.

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Actually common sense said it. Some of the biggest convicts in history were rich. Either you're a thief or you aren't.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Claiming that crime is caused by poverty is also a statement without evidence (especially given most poor people aren’t criminals).

Hey I know, maybe he could put the statement on a debate website, and those who disagree could argue their case...deerrrr

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Hey I know, maybe he could put the statement on a debate website, and those who disagree could argue their case...deerrr

It was a shot in the dark I admit hoping someone might argue the toss .....I cracked open a cold one and amazingly along trots Nom

Hootie(661) Disputed
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Claiming that crime is caused by poverty is also a statement without evidence (especially given most poor people aren’t criminals).

Hey I know, maybe he could put the statement on a debate website, and those who disagree could argue their case...deerrrr

You are a fucking idiot.

Argue that case.

Noumenon(36) Disputed
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@Amarel

You are retarded and I am a genius. This is a fact.

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Jody, you are literally a fucking idiot.

Firstly, obviously there is no causal relationship between poverty and crime, because not all poor people commit crime. Nobody has asserted this as a possibility except you, and hence you are attacking your own (i.e. straw man) argument.

Secondly, criminal psychologists have been writing papers and conducting studies on the relationship between poverty and crime since the 1960s, and possibly even earlier. It has been well established that there is a direct correlation between poverty and crime, stretching right back to the days of the Greek philosophers. See:-

Correlation between crime rate and poverty

"Poverty is the parent of crime." (Aristotle)

People living in households in the US that have an income level below the Federal poverty threshold have more than double the rates of violent victimization compared to individuals in high-income households

For both whites and blacks/African-Americans in the US, the overall pattern of being in poverty with the highest rates of victimization was consistent.

Urban poverty increased the risks of violence and crime for US households, but did not change the racial risk factors.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapJournal/index.html?appid=5508484140a84023a1e2d8b080e14d0a

Jody(1356) Disputed
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Jody, you are literally a fucking idiot.

I know I don’t believe in time machines or 9/11 was an inside job

Firstly, obviously there is no causal relationship between poverty and crime, because not all poor people commit crime. Nobody has asserted this as a possibility except you,

Really? Have a look on the internet and see how many do assert this.....maybe?

and hence you are attacking your own (i.e. straw man argument )

I haven’t argued ...yet

Secondly, criminal psychologists have been writing papers and conducting studies on the relationship between poverty and crime since the 1960s, and possibly even earlier. It has been well established that there is a direct correlation between poverty and crime, stretching right back to the days of the Greek philosophers. See:-

Correlation between crime rate and poverty

"Poverty is the parent of crime." (Aristotle)

People living in households in the US that have an income level below the Federal poverty threshold have more than double the rates of violent victimization compared to individuals in high-income households

For both whites and blacks/African-Americans in the US, the overall pattern of being in poverty with the highest rates of victimization was consistent.

Urban poverty increased the risks of violence and crime for US households, but did not change the racial risk factors.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapJournal/index.html?appid=5508484140a84023a1e2d8b080e14d0a

A pretty predictable appeal to authority there Nom old chap , is that it?

Maybe ithe relationship is really between wealth and crime and surely there must also be (as you say ) direct correlation?

1960s, biggest crime boom U S history, and the economy is great. Unemployment is under four percent (4%), there’s no inflation, the economy is fizzing and violent crime soars.

FromWithin(7962) Clarified
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Why on Earth would you allow Cretans like Hootie and his aliases on your debates? He's a vulgar fool that does not want to debate. He simply attacks anyone who has differing opinions.

Make him your enemy and add him to your enemy's list. Then when you create a debate, simple ban him before he is allowed to spew his hatred.

Unless of course you are simply about getting points rather than debating.

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See also:-

(DOC) The Statistical Correlation between Crime and Poverty

https://www.academia.edu/4757612/TheStatisticalCorrelationbetweenCrimeandPoverty

International Journal of Social Economics

The outcomes confirm a positive co-integrating relationship between poverty and property crime

https://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1108/IJSE-04-2017-0167

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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When people live in households that are struggling with poverty, they also have a higher rate of violence that involves a firearm at 3.5 per 1,000 people compared to 0.8-2.5 per 1,000 people in middle-to-high income families.

The 16-24 age demographic has experienced the highest unemployment rates and the highest increases in unemployment since 2008. In some areas, unemployment in this age demographic exceeded 20%. Nearly one-third of this demographic lives in poverty and are the most likely to commit crime and become the victim of crime.

https://vittana.org/26-poverty-and-crime-statistics

Jody(1356) Disputed
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You’re posting a piece from a wait for it drum roll 🥁 A personal finance blog .....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Crime causes poverty. Engaging in crime seems like easy money, but when one is inevitably caught, it is highly detrimental to one’s current wealth as well as one’s future prospects. Thus, criminals are often made poor by their criminality, making a disproportionately high population of criminals among the poor despite the fact that most of the poor are not criminals. Couple that with the poverty inducing effects of substance abuse and the links between IQ and poverty, and IQ and crime and you have multiple factors driving the correlation between poverty and crime. It’s a complex issue.

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That’s an excellent contribution , recently I read a piece that stated that criminal activity itself is indeed a major contributor to poverty.

Again you’re totally fair and correct when you state its a complex issue

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The direct correlation between poverty and crime has been observed worldwide, and for a LONG time. The problem is that your quote is acting as if that link must be purely economic in nature, but why would it? Poverty is often linked with anxiety, desperation, and similar psychological stressors that, when coupled with severe economic lead, consistently lead large numbers of people to criminal acts. When one is sufficiently stressed and desperate, they are far more likely to commit crime, be it self oriented, such as drug use, financial, such as theft or robbery, or purely violent, such as gang crime and general assault.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Your post seems to support the idea of a loose causal relationship between poverty and crime, while adding other factors. Many in relative poverty suffer disproportionate psychological stressors. They also have increased substance used and abuse. Even while those together increase the likelihood of crime (drunken violence for example), most poor people are not criminals, which undermines the causation argument of poverty leading to crime.

I find a more solid explanation in the financially detrimental impact of crime on the criminal, coupled with associations between crime and IQ, and IQ and poverty, and the financial impact of substance abuse and the increased risk of intoxicated criminality. All this makes much of it a correlation of shared characteristics, with some causality of crime leading to poverty.

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The direct correlation between poverty and crime has been observed worldwide

In a country like the United States, is it possible that laziness correlates with some poverty, thus laziness causes some crime?

Jody(1356) Disputed
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Poverty is often linked with anxiety, desperation, and similar psychological stressors that,

That’s a very sweeping generalization and often it’s not linked with the above

when coupled with severe economic lead, consistently lead large numbers of people to criminal acts.

Again what do you base these assertions on?

When one is sufficiently stressed and desperate, they are far more likely to commit crime, be it self oriented, such as drug use, financial, such as theft or robbery, or purely violent, such as gang crime and general assault.

How much more likely? Is this evaluation based on worldwide studies or just the US?

Hootie(661) Disputed
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That’s a very sweeping generalization

Ah, Mr "Poverty does not cause crime" wants to talk about "sweeping generalizations". How quaint. I almost want to rub your chin and feed you dog biscuits.