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President Obama's act is blatant patronizing of the worst type. A genuine mistake was made by the boy's teacher who reported his suspicions to the police who absolutely had to investigate the report. The boy's father, who was sufficiently stupid not to recognize the potential alarm and panic such a device could have caused, has tried to play the ''oh poor us persecuted Muslims'' card. Think about it, a Muslim boy carrying a ticking mechanical device into a school of children and his daft parents never thought that this could not be interpreted as suspicious!! Either this was a deliberate prank or the parents should be certified as mentally unfit to raise children. Muslims will be laughing at Obama's pitiful act of condescending appeasement.
Agree 100%!! Next thing you know, the parents will send little Ahmed to school wearing an orange jumpsuit bearing his latest school project and Obama will praise how well the color suits him, LOL!
Think about it, a Muslim boy carrying a ticking mechanical device
Did you even see what you typed? That is horribly stereotypical. Basically, you're insinuating that if we see a Muslim, we should be scared. Before radical Islamists existed, the stereotypical terrorist were Neo Nazis. So should we get scared if someone from Germany is around?
Now onto the actual debate topic:
I'm no supporter of Obama. I legitimately don't like him. However, I think it's unfair to call someone partial to a group of people for defending someone who belonged to the group. The boy did nothing wrong, unless knowing the time is illegal, and therefore shouldn't be detained. Maybe Obama is partial to Muslims, but that isn't really supported by this case. Law enforcement made a mistake, and Obama is trying to help correct it.
Try spewing your sanctimonious drivel to the 10s of 1000s of grieving relatives of the victims of Islamic terrorists worldwide. The filth peddle their death and destruction in every country they infest, from Australia to Canada and from Turkey to Sweden, or didn't a fool like you notice? These psychopathic murderers blend into the society in which they live and are taught how to appear perfectly normal until they are instructed to blow citizens of their host nation to smithereens. Can you not read? Law enforcement didn't make any mistake you dummy. The boy's alert teacher, observed a ''Muslim'' with a suspicious device which was ticking and quite rightly informed the police. Do you, in your wildest dreams, think that the police should have ignored the warning? The gratuitous inclusion of the word 'basically' graphically illustrates your arrested intellect and your use of the worn out cliche' ''stereotypical'' is embarrassingly juvenile. Consider the facts you dumb idiot; a Muslim ( Muslims are not renowned for their kind and peaceful dispositions) child arrives at school full of children with a ticking timepiece without any forewarning nor explanation and you, you ridiculous fool, have the cheek to criticize the responsible teacher who took the prudent step of not taking any chances and advised the appropriate authorities. When we see Muslims we shouldn't be frightened, but we should be vigilant, and when we see a Muslim of any age, with a ticking mechanism, yes we should be bloody scared, it's called the survival instinct.
I didn't say that the teacher shouldn't have been worried. If someone suspects that someone else is in possession of an explosive, then they should alert the authorities. The only thing that I was criticizing was the fact that the boy was detained even after they realized that the clock was, in fact, a clock and not a bomb. Calling all Muslims terrorists is stereotypical. Less than one percent - and that's a proven fact - of all Muslims are extremists. Are all black people criminals? Are all Catholics pedophiles? Are all Americans fat? No. To classify a whole group of people as the same thing is, by definition, stereotypical.
If anyone is suspected of carrying an explosive device, then it should be investigated- but that doesn't mean that someone should be unjustly detained.
You really are a naive child,what age are you, 5 or 6?. How did the police know that this wasn't a dummy run to find what checks were made on the boy carrying a ''homemade'' clock and just how far could he get with a real bomb. Did the ''homemade'' clock look like an everyday timepiece? No it did not, it looked suspicious. I don't know about the U.S.A, but in Europe we regularly read about how a suicide bomber, or bomb planter, was under surveillance by police but let remain free due to lack of evidence.The police did their duty thoroughly on this occasion by investigating the incident ''in-depth'' and satisfied themselves that the boy and his Muslim family didn't pose a threat to the public which they, the police, are charged with the responsibility of protecting. If at some point in the future this lad, who may have been radicalized did plant a deadly bomb and this incident was revealed and reported as shoddy police work it's dummies like you who would be shouting from the rooftops about the inefficient police. In the same context it's ''go-gooders'' like you who try to claim the moral high ground by bellowing out your self-righteous nonsense who make life tough for the security forces and easier for the terrorist. Wise up, grow up and shut up.
This 14 year old Muslim was not detained stupidly. The police investigated a report of a potential suicide bomber, attended the scene and took the suspect into custody. The police had to be certain that the bringing of a ''homemade'' clock into school was not a dummy run by the teenager and/or his parents to gauge the level of security which existed at the school. I don't know about the U.S. but in Europe there have been many instances of deadly attacks by Muslim terrorists when it is announced after the slaughter of civilians that the police had the perpetrator under surveillance but did nothing due to lack of evidence. The American police carried out their duties methodically and didn't release the suspect until they were sure that the public, whom they are charged to protect, were not in danger from this particular Muslim. For a Muslim to bring a homemade clock into a school without giving fore-warning is in my opinion a ridiculous act of stupidity. Well done the police force handling this incident. They're damned if they act professionally and they're damned if they don't investigate thoroughly. Muslims only have themselves to blame for the increased suspicion they come under during this time of the mad Islamic bombers and ''head hackers''.
This 14 year old Muslim was not detained stupidly.
Maybe that's true, but if it was a Christian it would be a stupid reason to detain him.
Well done the police force handling this incident.
They didn't protect any of the children in the school if it was a bomb. They didn't evacuate at all. They also interrogated a minor without his parents present which is a violation. I don't have a problem with the cops other than that, and those were minor. It is really the school overreacting.
Muslims only have themselves to blame for the increased suspicion they come under during this time of the mad Islamic bombers and ''head hackers''.
I disagree with this assessment. Has this incident caused you to trust Muslims more? It should according to your logic. This Muslim kid didn't do anything wrong and yet you have even more distrust of Muslims.
My main complaint is that the teachers refuse to deal with their students and call the cops. Your assessment is not really wrong, but my point is that Obama likes Christians.
I'm Irish, Northern Irish to be precise, and during the 30 odd years of bloody and deadly terrorism both in Ireland and mainland Britain, I along my countrymen were subjected to humiliating, but necessary security checks at least two or three times every day. I was always treated with respect and I in turn was respectful towards those doing a difficult and highly dangerous job. When we traveled by air we were corralled into the extreme corners of the air terminal, ( we still are) and had our luggage searched at two or three locations. As I was in business at this time I traveled to England once a fortnight and had to complete a detailed form showing my name, address, d.o.b., the address to which I was going, the duration of my visit and the nature of my business. I had absolutely no problem whatsoever with these anti-terrorist measures and never felt any sense of victimization for being Northern Irish. Why does this Muslim feel that his son was ''picked on'' just because of his religion and/or ethnic background? If I see a Jew carrying a device which is ticking I would't have the slightest problem. When did you last hear of a member of the Jewish community blowing men woman and children to kingdom come? On this particular occasion the Muslim was innocent, stupid, but nevertheless innocent. That will not for one split second make me drop my guard and I shall always view Muslims as potential murders as a consequence of the murderous ways of a large % of the followers of Islam. After 9/11 and London's 7/7 I cannot help but feel bitter contempt for Muslims. The British M I 5 intelligence chief announced today that the alert level of Muslim terrorist attack is at it's highest point ever and is growing. M.I.5 also disclosed that they have so far thwarted over 300 attempted terrorist atrocities this year and asked the public to remain vigilant. You don't think they should, well I suppose you know best. If you think that proving the innocence of this Muslim teenager should mean that I begin trusting them you are very much wrong. The Muslim community in Britain refuses to denounce the Islamic terrorist atrocities. Oh yes, teachers are not there to deal with suspected terrorists, or violent thugs. Their job is to educate their pupils to the highest standard possible. Why should a teacher be expected to deal with psychopathic thugs and maniacal violent religious zealots any more that a motor mechanic or an electrician should have to?
Good, in what way were you treated with respect? I don't think America quite has that down yet.
You don't think they should, well I suppose you know best.
They know the kid. He goes to their school.
If you think that proving the innocence of this Muslim teenager should mean that I begin trusting them you are very much wrong.
You said that, not me. You said that the behavior of Muslims causes you to change your opinion of them. If you don't start trusting them by proving them innocent then your initial assertion was false.
The Muslim community in Britain refuses to denounce the Islamic terrorist atrocities.
I heard differently, but that wouldn't change your opinion any way.
Oh yes, teachers are not there to deal with suspected terrorists, or violent thugs.
He is not a violent thug and no one but the teachers suspected him of being a terrorist.
Why should a teacher be expected to deal with psychopathic thugs and maniacal violent religious zealots any more that a motor mechanic or an electrician should have to?
There are no psychopathic thugs or maniacal violent zealots in this teachers class.
Obama never misses an opportunity to defend Muslims or insult Christians. Just too bad Barry didn't hang around to see little Ahmed's clock strike twelve. LOL
From a British perspective the impression would probably be that Obama is not particularly a Muslim sympathizer and would defend a Christian kid in the same position.
What we see on the news here is not Muslim kids blowing up their schools but plenty of American kids taking automatic weapons in to schools and massacring everyone in sight on what appears to be a fairly regular basis. I think they are the ones to watch.
OMG! For the second time I will quote Joan Rivers: "GROW UP!" Obama WOULD defend ANY boy (or girl) that as thrown out of school for a stupid reason! Amazing how conservatives become mind readers when it comes to Obama .... simply because the "FOX Nation" tells them how he thinks ... according to THEIR gospel! Then they accuse OTHERS of bringing out the "race card"! Are there ANY adults in the conservative rooms!??
Just think this through. A Muslim boy, goes to school, with a a clock he said he MADE, in this world filled with fear and terror, do you really think ill of those who were looking out for their own safety, as well as the safety of others?
You ask: "Now would Obama support a Christian Boy as he has done for the Muslim Boy ? "
I respond with "Why wouldn't he".
I did indeed give you a very clear response.
If we continue to treat Muslim Americans in this way, we are only going to galvanize the extremists and contribute to the problem of Islamic Terrorism globally. It's short sighted and utterly idiotic.
LMMFAO ! You believe in your mind that this galvanizes Radical Islam ? You truly are lost because Radical Islam is waging a religious war and you should become aware of that. But you see you Leftist do love to wage war on Christians yet your to ignorant to that fact that you do. What is seen is you support a religion that wants you dead and your support for that religion is way to obvious !
LMMFAO ! You believe in your mind that this galvanizes Radical Islam ?
No, it galvanizes people into sympathizing with Radical Islam. When people are treated as sub-human because of their religion and ethnicity, they will become radicalized. That is a fact that you ignore at your own peril.
But you see you Leftist do love to wage war on Christians yet your to ignorant to that fact that you do
Then prove that I am doing so. And prove that I am supporting Islam in any way.
You are still very lost there Leftist are you not ? Are Radical Islamist being treated as sub-human in their territory that they now control in the Middle East ? They are Radicalized by their own admission and their faith in their religion and the Koran.
Are Radical Islamist being treated as sub-human in their territory that they now control in the Middle East
I clearly never said that they were. But the kid in question was neither a radical Muslim, nor in the Middle East, and was being treated the way I was referring to. Can you please try to stay on topic?
You say the kid in question is the reason for the galvanizing of Radical Islam did you not ? You said the kid in question is being treated sub-human did you not ?
I said that when people such as the kid are treated the way they are, it increases the odds of people such as him self becoming extremist.
Edit: It also gives Radical Muslims propaganda which helps "legitimize" (not to you or me, but to the people they are trying to recruit) their message.
You aren't listening. People are not "born" radical, regardless of religion. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are not radical. They become radical when they are recruited or convinced into joining such groups, and by doing things like we have with this child, we are giving them more tools for that purpose.
You still stuck on this Muslim kid promoting Radical Islamist ? Radical Islamist are born and brought into that world yet you just can't accept it because you look at just as Obie does it is America's fault that they exist without ever seeing the real truth.
You still stuck on this Muslim kid promoting Radical Islamist
I never said the child was promoting radical Islam.
Radical Islamist are born and brought into that world
Nobody is born believing any religion or political creed.
you just can't accept it because you look at just as Obie does it is America's fault that they exist without ever seeing the real truth.
The existence of Radical Islam is not America's fault, but we sure give them plenty of propaganda tools. What is wrong with admitting that and trying to limit that? It's the responsible thing to do.
You said the Muslim kid galvanized Radical Islam by the treatment of him.
You say no one is born believing any religion ? Unless your born into Radical Islamist parents which takes place in the Middle East.
And look here you support Obie's stand by saying we give Radical Islamist propaganda tools.
The Koran tells them Americans are the infidel and Radical Islamist live by their religion. The Koran gives them the propaganda tools but you still can't see it. Tell me how you are going to limit Radical Islamist !
You said the Muslim kid galvanized Radical Islam by the treatment of him.
Yes. That does not mean that the kid is promoting radical Islam.
You say no one is born believing any religion ? Unless your born into Radical Islamist parents which takes place in the Middle East.
That means you are raised into Radical Islam, which further proves my point.
And look here you support Obie's stand by saying we give Radical Islamist propaganda tools.
Terrorism experts around the world have proven that we have given them propaganda tools.
he Koran tells them Americans are the infidel and Radical Islamist live by their religion. The Koran gives them the propaganda tools but you still can't see it. Tell me how you are going to limit Radical Islamist !
The Koran is one propaganda tool. They do not use only one propaganda tool. Do you need me to provide evidence of them using things such as GitMo as propaganda tools?
Show the galvanization of this Muslim kid to Radical Islam.
It just happened. I said it will lead to that, not that it has. It is too premature for such evidence.
Was Radical Islam not active before this Muslim kid ?
Yes, certainly.
So if your born to Radical Islamist you won't be one ?
Nobody is "born to Radical Islam". They can be born to Radical Islamic parents, but one's parents does not always determine one's religion.
You do support Obie's view of America.
Saying it does not make it so.
If GitMo goes away then we won't have to worry with Radical Islamist !
Nope. But if GitMo goes away, then that is one less propaganda piece that recruits can use to try to "legitimize" their claims about America. I'd give you evidence and testimony from counter terrorism experts, but I doubt you'd bother to read it.
That statement does not make any sense. I strongly disagree with Radical Islam (I disagree with many of the tenants of Islam itself, and loathe it as a religion), but I also disagree with many of the claims you have made. Disagreeing with you does not mean I support Islam.
It's a shame you are so unwilling to actually have a debate. There aren't enough members of the right on this website, and the few that are tend to care less about debating and more about trying to get people angry.
Was hoping that you would at least partially engage in a debate instead.
I totally disagree with you. I live in Northern Ireland and experienced over 30 years of the so called troubles. There are 100s of dead and grotesquely maimed people who thought they could tell the difference between an every day clock and an explosive device with a simple clock timer. The boy's farther stated he felt that the boy and his clock came under suspicion because he was a Muslim. Now, why ever would he have thought that?
I think the boy shouldn't be given any flak about the fact he is a muslim. If a white christian came into school with the exact same clock, there wouldn't have nearly been as much upheaval. Stereotype caused this boy's arrest and nothing else.
