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Privatization Public education
Debate Score:31
Arguments:21
Total Votes:40
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 Privatization (9)
 
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Privatization of education

Got School Choice?Don't Privatize! Our schools are not for sale!

Privatization

Side Score: 16
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Public education

Side Score: 15
3 points
Side: Privatization
2 points

It would be tough to argue against what Terra’s statement suggests about the parent’s incentive. I also think that individuals should have the ability to choose the type of education they will receive; after all, individuals pay taxes to ensure they can retain the freedom to choose.

This is a great video. It discusses the benefits of privatization.

How School Choice & Privatization Can Help Fix America: Lisa Snell & Harris Kenny at FreedomFest
Side: Privatization

The enterprise of education can not be allowed to remain monopolized as it is today. Education should not be something that federal or state governments can control and censor at their whim.

Side: Privatization
2 points

From my understanding all the arguments against this are based on baseless propaganda created by the teachers union...Choice & competition improve EVERYTHING else, so it should improve schools too.

Side: Privatization
megingram Disputed
0 points

As Alex Molnar pointed out in one of the video's in Don's lesson, when a marketing firm attaches itself to schools the PUBLIC purpose of public schools is necessarily undermined. Likewise, privatization of public schools necessarily undermines the public purpose. Ralph Amado reminds us that “the market drives only to one location: profit.” And I agree with him that this is not a legitimate destination in education. Schools don’t belong in a marketplace; the fundamental flaw being that there shouldn’t be any bad schools in the first place (Themba-Nixon, 2001, as cited in Boesenberg, n.d.) Competition (in a free market) inherently means there are winners and losers. Whose kids will be the losers? A product or company can lose for a while but survive. But are we willing to concede that some of our students will just have to lose for a while because losing is an inherent part of the design? Yes, public schools have failed many students, but at least the design doesn’t inherently create losers. I believe in public education because I believe it is a critical part of a free and just society.

Side: Public education
1 point

Schools that force more competition among teachers could have either a wildly good result as teachers get more serious or a terrible one as more experienced teachers refuse to help younger ones (this is already happening so I can't see how it can get much worse)

Side: Privatization
1 point

I don’t think it’s a huge issue if there are private schools out there competing with the public schools. We all have a choice and if we want to send our children to a private school because we think they’ll get a better education than so be it. When we talk about failing schools and students underperforming in public schools, what’s going to change to make a failing student in a public school all of a sudden be extremely successful in a private school. Yes I think there are a few cases where that might hold true but for the most part I would have to believe that an unmotivational high school students at a public school is still going to be unmotivated to take ownership of their own learning and be successful in a private school. I do agree with one of the videos that sometimes the public schools need some competition. I will agree that privatization is not the answer to solve all our educational issues and I’m not a proponent of private schools taking over the public school system, but I do think it’s a freedom and a choice for a parent to enroll their student in a private school if they feel that their student will be more successful and receive a better education.

Side: Privatization
1 point

Are we really providing equal access to education if some schools have proven to not be of high quality education? If privatization could provide a more tailored education for students, keep beat with changes in technology, and increase not just our graduation rates but our global competition, I say why not.

Side: Privatization
0 points

This would cause a greater division in social classes, which i believe is a good thing.

Side: Privatization
2 points

Further privatization would result in greater class division between the wealthy and the non-wealthy. The further stratification of American society would have a deleterious affect on the American public. Every child should be provided with equal educational opportunities. Those who can't afford the high cost of private schools would receive inferior education or no education at all. Our focus should not be on eliminating public schools but on improving them by rewarding effective and/or innovative teachers, and getting rid of bad teachers. Which we seem to be afraid of doing. We need education reform, but privatization is a step backwards.

Side: Public education
0 points

I agree that privatizing education divides the wealthy and non-wealthy. Who is really going to understand how to manipulate the system and get their kids into the best schools? Students who come from upper class, educated families. Privatizing education is a step backward. It does not allow an equal chance for all students to be successful.

Side: Public education
1 point

The research is murky at best in each of the studies done on the impacts of privatization. There is no question that public schools face issues and have some restructuring to do to be successful, but I do not believe that privatization is the answer. The video from your website about the privatization attempts in Wisconsin show that clearly. Of the schools, 16 showed increased reading and math, but not others, and the increase wasn't that big. Moving to privatized education is a move to corporate control instead of a non-profit social justice based, Human Rights based, education. Public education has plenty of problems, but I don't believe that privatizing it is the answer.

Side: Public education
1 point

I agree that privatizing all schools is not the answer. I am wondering if they were all privatized then what happens to current educational laws. We have seen from the voucher argument that charter and private schools do not have to follow the same standards and can let in students that they "choose". What happens then to the kids who do not meet those requirements. Are we left with kids who have special needs? Would the private schools then be required to adhere to the laws? Another thought is consistency among test scores. Would all schools still be required to take a state test? Where would privacy end and state/federal regulation begin? I ask that because of all the focus on standardize testing especially in Colorado where teachers jobs are tied to it. Would that go away also and teachers be completely at will year to year?

Side: Public education
1 point

I think privatization would further create a gulf between the different groups. Already there is difference between the haves and the not haves of the different neighborhoods school.

Side: Public education
1 point

I think that many public education schools are working; many are not. I think that public education continues to try to improve its schools, has a way to assess its teachers, and endorses equality. I do think that pubic schools can do more to reflect the needs of its local communities. I would love to see the public education system do more to meet the needs of their students and families. I think private schools are able to do this freely and because of this adaptation to the community, they are in a better position to serve their community. I'm not sure why districts and states can't allow this same freedom. I also think public education has done a lot to try to provide its students/parents options and will continue to. I wish they could allow a greater diversity in the type of curriculum and material utilized in district classrooms. What will work in one school will not necessarily work in all schools, and this should be reflected in the school in order to meet the differing needs of the students.

Side: Public education
1 point

Creating a private education system only allows for the possibility of inequality. Poorer students will be left behind and creates a societal problem, not just an education problem.

Side: Public education
1 point

I would agree with this, private education in our country already excludes many students because of their inability to pay for this type of education. With the exception of the students that the school "recruits" for the purposes of improving their images in things like sports, the average or low-income student will never be given the opportunity to attend a private school.

Side: Public education
friskd(2) Disputed
1 point

If a student could receive a scholarship or government funding, I would think it would increase the possibility of a student to attend a private school. If the parents have a subsidy to work with, they are more likely to be able to afford the small additional amount for private school instead of paying the tab in full along with putting into taxes.

Side: Privatization
1 point

Privatizing education will lead to a larger gap between the haves and the have not's. As much as I would like to be on the other side of this topic, and say that getting the government out of education, privatization will not work. Like school vouchers many of those who are able to capitalize on them are those parents who can afford to taxi their students around. I believe that overall scores will not go up, but what we will see is a great discrepancy in the scores. Richer schools will go up because they can entice the best teachers and administration. While poor schools will continue to drop lower and lower. Unfortunately this idea will not work in education.

Side: Public education

Make the public schools outstanding by spending a fortune on them to have a school system that is second to none.

Side: Public education
-1 points

I am not actually for or against either. I think that it is an idiotic argument. If you do not like the public school system, then send your child to a private school (where you can pay to have them brainwashed). If you cannot afford (or do not wish to send your child to) private school, then send them to public school. Isn't choice great.

Some one recently said that human beings nowadays seem to seek out conspiracies, controversies, and chaos. Hmmmmm.

Side: Public education