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Pro-Life Pro-Choice
Debate Score:431
Arguments:318
Total Votes:505
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Pro-life vs. Pro-choice

What are your views on abortion?

Are you pro-life, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-life?

Are you pro-choice, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-choice?

Pro-Life

Side Score: 237
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Pro-Choice

Side Score: 194
6 points

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

While rape is a common argument against pro-life supporters, this is the reason for a grand total of one percent of abortions (and that's the highest out of the surveys). I am not 100% pro life but only due to the small amount of rape being the actual cause of abortion. All other cases involve an instance where the mother values her life over the potential life.

Side: Pro-Life
zephyr20x6(2387) Disputed
3 points

Why are you pro-life? Why are you against abortion?

Side: Pro-Choice
trumpet_guy(503) Clarified
4 points

As we have spoken before it is obvious that I'm a Christian. While this does not dictate my decision on abortion, it does influence it. The only justifiable reason I can think of for an abortion is rape, which makes up at most 1% of the reasons for abortions. Outside of rape the mother values her life over a potential life. Since I am pro-life for all cases outside of rape I am 99% pro-life. 99% vs. 1%----99% wins

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Whatever the rapists cause, if a woman gets pregnant, it's not the child's fault. It falls upon the rapist and the mother obviously has to take care of the baby. It isn't her fault but what's done is done. Rapists will be held accountable. Female rape victims will have the chance to give up the baby for adoption if she cannot handle the responsibility since it's not her fault. Still though, you gotta think, it isn't the child's fault and when the child grows up, he or she can stand up to the supposed "father" and denounce him for doing what he did.

Side: Pro-Life
6 points

This is a very emotive topic for me. I have had some quite serious issues due to my mother aborting what would have been my sibling when I was a child. She aborted after previously telling me I was going to have a brother or sister. She told me that it was nothing more than a 'piece of meat' and getting rid of it wasn't a big deal. I was 7 years old and blamed myself for years for not telling her to keep it. For depriving myself of a little brother. I used to dream of him all the time.

So for me my feeling is I don't want feotuses to be aborted. However I realise I'm not capable of formulating my own rational opinion on this so I'll limit myself to supporting and disputing the logic of others.

Side: Pro-Life

Even though that was a subjective argument, it still added a great deal of insight, and while i am sure it is a painful memory, i appreciate your sharing of it.

Side: Pro-Life
2 points

That Hella sucks. Straight from the heart, I am sorry that you went through that. I wish I could make everything right for you.

Side: Pro-Life
lupusFati(790) Clarified
4 points

But you're pro-choice, so you can't make it right. So don't pretend you care.

Side: Pro-Life
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

You? Care? Don't make me laugh, you sniveling scumbag who wants to murder innocent newborns.

Side: Pro-Life
5 points

I believe abortion should not be used as birth-control. For this opinion, many consider my views "pro-life".

People often speak about how it's the woman's right, but what about the child's rights?

Side: Pro-Life
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
3 points

We are talking about fetuses not children.

Side: Pro-Choice
kozlov(1754) Disputed
6 points

Some laws in different countries do not differentiate between a fetus and a child.

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
4 points

FYI

CHILD:

: an unborn or recently born person

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/child

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
4 points

"the term “unborn child” means a child in utero, and the term “child in utero” or “child, who is in utero” means a member of the species homo sapiens, at ANY stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

Supporting Evidence: U.S. Code - Unborn Victims of Violence Act (www.law.cornell.edu)
Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
2 points

I see the pro-abortion attention whore is still tired of being ignored.

Side: Pro-Life
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

Fetuses are developing children, fool. I see you've failed biology clearly. Takes 9 months for a baby to develop. A fetus is living and abortion is unjustified.

Side: Pro-Life
CoamNhomsky(111) Disputed
3 points

Rights? Whats with all these rights? Rights are just SAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaavage! The individual should have no rights and no choice!

Cheers ;)

Side: Pro-Choice
kozlov(1754) Disputed
4 points

Coam, You are just the person I needed to see today! GD said you were an idiot! Tell him he's Saaaaaaaaaaavaaaaaaaageeeeee!

Side: Pro-Life
shoutoutloud(4301) Clarified
2 points

What about the child's rights?

The fetus isn't considered a child before 12th week.

Side: Pro-Life
nomeansno(49) Disputed
3 points

No human has the right to using another person's body against their will. The same can be said about a fetus after 12 weeks of pregnancy. If it is in the woman, and she does not want it to grow in her, she has a RIGHT to have it taken out. It is her body.

Not murder, just removal. If God wants the child to survive, he'll find a way regardless of the fetus's removal.

Side: Pro-Choice
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
3 points

No it's not and that is the point, but the woman is and she has her rights...

Side: Pro-Choice
kozlov(1754) Clarified
2 points

In the US a child isn't considered a child before the 12th week, that changes depending on where you are. In Ceaușescu's Romania, as soon as the sperm and egg met, the organism was considered a child. In lieu of this, I fail to see you point...

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
2 points

You are simply WRONG.

CHILD:

: an unborn or recently born person

Supporting Evidence: Webster's Medical Dictionary (www.merriam-webster.com)
Side: Pro-Choice
Sitara(11082) Disputed
1 point

Women have the right to choose. End of story. .

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
3 points

Abortions are molestations and murders...

End of story.

Side: Pro-Life
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

Abortion is murder and real women who know children are precious will choose not to abort babies. Your hypocrisy is YOU ASSUME EVERY WOMAN IS AS UGLY AS YOU ARE TO ABORT BABIES.

YOU. ARE . WRONG.

END OF STORY.

Knocks out Kitara with 7 punches to the face and a round kick to the chest after she attempts to assault me for disagreeing then sends her to Women's Correctional Centre for life

Side: Pro-Life
3 points

I don't like the labels 'pro-choice and pro-life.' I am anti-abortion and I wish that more people would try to appreciate the differences.

Side: Pro-Life
3 points

What are your views on abortion?

I have many views on abortion. I'm guessing that you are asking if I think it should be banned. My answer to that is yes - with possible exceptions for rape and for situations where doctors deem one as necessary to save the mother's life and both lives can not be saved.

Are you pro-life, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-life?

1. No. I do not consider myself to be pro-life in any respect other than the fact that I oppose abortions on demand. (That's one definition for pro-life that does apply to me). I prefer to be seen as anti-abortion because abortions are what I oppose. Even in cases where I can agree that an abortion might be justified... I would rather see every other alternative exhausted before one is allowed.

Pro-lifers tend to oppose War, capital punishment, exceptions for rape and sometimes, they even oppose exceptions for the life of the mother. (How pro-life is that?) I (as an anti-abortionist) can see justifications for taking a life in war, the death penalty and self defense.

That's the biggest difference as I see it. (add to that the religious basis that most pro-lifers argue from)

Are you pro-choice, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-choice?

I am just as pro-choice as I am anti-abortion.

Child molesters make choices and while we all expect laws which make that choice punishable? No-one fights to take a child molesters right to make choices away from them.

Abortions are a form of child molestation too.

Side: Pro-Life
Sitara(11082) Disputed
1 point

You are wrong. You are not prochoice if you oppose a woman's right to choose.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
2 points

You are wrong.

Abortions are murders and molestations and it's not the woman's right to make choices that I (or anyone else) is in opposition to.

Children have a right to the equal protections of our laws.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Baby lives matter. You were all once a fetus in your mother's womb. If you degrade and want a life of a newborn; boy or girl, to be killed, you are a murderer and you deserve to be in jail for your crime of supporting infanticide. Don't like what I've said? I will continue to bash you in for promotion of murder of infants. You will face justice and then you will be punched by common sense. A fetus develops over 9 months. Yes it's living. Once the sperm from the male fertilizes the egg in the female's ovaries, a baby will develop. Killing the fetus is immoral. Just because you think you fight for equal rights, pro abortionists, you are hypocrites who want murderers and serial killers to what? Live? Wow. The same people who support abortion DO NOT support PRO FAMILY VALUES and MORALITY!

Side: Pro-Life
0 points

I am more worried about health disparity and inequities. For example Black infant mortality is much higher due to institutional racism.

Apparently, white conservatives can use the powerful BLM slogan while not caring about Black infants. In other words pro-life until birth. The hypocriticalness of pro-life caring about fetuses but not infants.

Supporting Evidence: Racial disparity in infant mortality (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
Side: Pro-Choice
UisntShit(15) Disputed
1 point

I am more worried about health disparity and inequities.

The fact of the matter is that niggers have more kids per nigger and don't take as good care of them.

Side: Pro-Life
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

You are a hypocritical snowflake, "sciencerules", your life doesn't matter above the lives of newborn babies who are developing human beings in their mother's womb individually. Your arguments are invalidated.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pro choice claim it's "my body my choice", however, they do not understand what choice means right? Choice means you have options. Not one but two. That's why pro lifers make sense and pro choice doesn't. Pro choicers all scream, "MY BODY MY CHOICE" AND THEN CLAIM THEY ARE FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS. Yet have you ever thought about asking a real woman what she wants to do if she is pregnant? Yeah. If you aren't a woman who is pregnant or if you are a man who isn't in a relationship with a man, especially in a marriage, THAN DON'T GET INVOLVED. You pro abortionists claim you are for women's rights, yet you don't let pro lifers speak up eh? That's your hypocrisy and I will continue to argue common sense because pro lifers are common sense. Abortion is murder. Fetuses are living. They develop over 9 months. Baby lives matter. Ask real mothers who have seemingly gone through abortions. Pro abortionists may claim they care but they never will because they think baby lives do not matter. All you pro abortionists do is you want to have sex and than you don't take responsibility for the baby. Give it a rest, take responsibility AND THEN YOU WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. But do you listen? Nope. That's why, pro abortionists are not common sense. They are child murderers with no morality. Anyone as much as lifts a finger, you will be shot down by the truth and only the truth.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Anti abortionists are absolutely correct for defending the lives of babies and condemning those who condemn the lives of innocent babies. Pro choicers claim that fetuses are never living. Right okay. But um here's the thing. YOU PRO CHOICERS WERE ONCE FETUSES TOO. Why didn't anyone abort you? BECUASE YOU WERE INNOCENT BABIES IN YOUR MOTHER'S WOMBS INDIVIDUALLY.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

A relationship takes two; one man and one woman. The decision of abortion isn't as easy as you think it is. It takes money, resources and your own conscience. This is the life of an infant. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT. Otherwise there will be a chain reaction. Actions do not come without consequences.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point
Side: Pro-Life
1 point

More Evidence to educate ignorant pro abortionist snowflakes: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/ 10.1111/bioe.12533

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Introduction to the abortion debate

Definition

Abortion is the deliberate termination of a pregnancy.

Arguments against abortion

People who believe abortion is morally wrong use arguments like the following.

Killing people is wrong

killing innocent human beings is wrong

human life begins at conception

therefore the foetus is an innocent human being

therefore killing the foetus is wrong

therefore abortion is always wrong

A foetus is a person

A foetus has a unique genetic code

A foetus is a unique individual

Killing potential people is wrong

it is wrong to destroy potential human life

from conception onwards the foetus is a potential human being

therefore it is wrong to destroy the foetus

therefore abortion is always wrong

Killing beings with 'a future like ours' is wrong

it is wrong to kill beings that would have a future like ours if they lived

in most cases the foetus, if not aborted, would have a future like ours

it is wrong to kill such a foetus

therefore abortion is usually wrong

Causing pain is wrong

it is wrong to cause pain and suffering

a foetus is sufficiently developed to feel pain by 18 weeks

therefore it is wrong to carry out an abortion after 18 weeks of pregnancy

Increasing tolerance of killing is wrong

allowing abortion is legalising killing

legalising killing reduces people's respect for life

reducing society's respect for life is a bad thing - it may lead to euthanasia, genocide and increased murder rates

therefore abortion is always wrong

Arguments in favour of abortion (in selected cases)

Most of these arguments are to be read in the context of the first two arguments above. People who don't believe abortion is always morally wrong use arguments like this:

The foetus is not necessarily a 'person' with the right to live

a collection of human cells does not have the right to live just because it is of the human species

otherwise amputating a limb would be murder

a collection of human cells only has the right to live by virtue of certain facts

these are either:

it has reached a particular stage of development that makes it a moral 'person'

it possesses certain properties that make it a moral 'person'

It is not always wrong to end the life of an innocent person

there are many cases where we have to choose which of two innocent people will live and which will die:

conjoined twins, where the operation to separate them may cause one twin to die

mountaineering, when one person can only save their own life by cutting the rope supporting a fallen colleague

the case of a woman who had to abandon one of her children to save the other

'Potential human beings' don't have rights

only 'actual' human beings have rights

The pregnant woman has moral rights too

under some circumstances these may override the foetus's right to live

these moral rights include:

the right to ownership of her own body

the right to decide her own future

the right to take decisions without moral or legal intervention by others

the pregnant woman has the right to life - where not aborting the foetus would put the mother's life or health in danger, she has the moral right to abort the foetus

Source:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/philosophical/introduction.shtml

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pros and cons of Abortion: https://www.kialo.com/abortions-are-immoral-5637.824?path=5637.0~5637.1-5637.824

Only people with common sense will understand it. If you don't, you are not a moral valuing human being and thus, you are susceptible to murder of innocent children.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point
Side: Pro-Life
1 point

A fetus is a living human being in development.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2014/10/a-fetus-is-a-human-with-a-right-to-live- 26841

Nothing will change my mind. I am absolute on the moral values. God. Jesus. The Holy Ghost. Repentance. Prayer. Truth. Justice. End of Story.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pro abortionists: KILL THE FETUS IT'S NOT LIVING WA WA WA.

Me: SHUT UP. YOU WERE ONCE A FETUS TOO. IF YOU WANT ANOTHER FETUS TO DIE IN ANOTHER MOTHER'S WOMB, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? DEVELOPING FETUSES DON'T HAVE CHOICES BTW. THEY EXIST AND THEY WILL BECOME A HUMAN; MALE OR FEAMLE WISE. CONDEMN A LIFE OF A BABY AND YOU ARE CONDEMNING YOURSELF TOO. FOR THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT INFANT WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS NOT MINE AND GOD WILL NOT PUNISH THE BABY, HE WILL ASK YOU WHY. IF YOU SAY "IT'S YOUR BODY AND YOUR CHOICE", THAT WILL NOT SUFFICE YOU AS A GOOD PERSON AT ALL.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point
Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Scientific Facts about how a fetus is living: https://www.mccl.org/post/2017/12/20/the-unborn-is-a-human-being-what-science-tells-us-about-unborn-children

It may not be developed to the fullest. Does that mean you may justify it to die? No.

End of another chapter.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Even Jeremy Irons, the Award Winning actor for playing Alfred Pennyworth argues, abortion is a sin and yes, it is.

https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/batman-v-superman-actor-says-abortion-sin.html

Abortionists lose.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Ben Shapiro's best Arguments against Abortion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmtsDxktx68

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

It's ironic that catholics defend babies now whereas before, they allowed Augustine to condemn babies for not being baptized.....

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/five-non-religious-arguments-against-abortion

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Even Secularists value the lives of an infant:

https://www.frc.org/brochure/the-best-pro-life-arguments-for-secular- audiences

It's common sense that most human beings; man or woman, boy or girl can come to understand if they allow themselves to.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point
Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Arguments over rape and incest divides pro choicers? Tell me, pro choicers, do you bleed? You will!

https://apnews.com/article/health-north-america-us-news-ap-top-news-elections-84a47d2e26d4419c8b616db5c5f0fa6d

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pro choicers do not value human life. Just because you are pro choice, doesn't mean you are making the right decision, because pro lifers know right from wrong.

https://www.avemariapress.com/engagingfaith/argument-against-abortion-using-sled-acronym

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

More Evidence that fetuses are living:

https://human.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Philosophy/Thinking CriticallyAboutAbortion(NobisandGrob)/05:BetterArguments-Philosophers’Arguments/5.01:ArgumentsAgainst_Abortion/05:BetterArguments-Philosophers’Arguments/5.01:ArgumentsAgainst_Abortion)

Yes. Real scientists are doing this to prove pro choicers wrong.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

God gave us the gift and tools of procreation. Jesus spoke about how children are precious and are to be cherished. Killing fetuses aka murderous abortion is unjustified. Secularists are using the science, religious people are using moral values. Both are not without one another. In other words, it is not mutually exclusive. God and science go together because He created all things including science.

https://reasons.org/explore/publications/facts-for-faith/argument-for-the-silent-a-biblical-case- against-abortion

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

As I said before, relationships are made up of two people; one man and one woman. Men should not remain silent and women should not silence men on this matter. Feminazis and man haters will be silenced by the truth and only the truth. You are warned.

https://www.mccl.org/post/men-shouldn-t-be-silent-on-abortion

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

There are reasons behind why women would choose no on having an abortion. You want women to choose? Then LET THEM SPEAK! MOST WOMEN WITH COMMON SENSE AND EXPERIENCE WILL SAY NO AND YOU WILL SEE WHY. AS FOR WOMEN WHO DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE YET OR NEVER WANT TO? REMAIN SILENT AND SHOW SOME HUMILITY.

https://www.profemina.org/en/abortion/reasons-against-abortion

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

If you think this is a game, "pro choicers", you've mastered nothing. I am well aware that pro choice is only a coverup for pro abortionist menaces aka baby serial killers. Abortion remains a crime and is unacceptable. Whether it's religious or not, people have common ground on this. Human life is precious.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

You may argue that pro lifers don't have proof that abortion is terrible. But that's the very reason why we don't show pictures of dead babies because those photos are terrifying and horrible. I will testify, I have seen pictures of real dead babies due to an abortion. I will say, it is what it is. It is not a pleasant sight. It is not right. It is not justified. It is pure evil. You pro choicers aka po abortionists may think it's fake. But is it? No.

https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Faculty/Siegel RightsReasonsDukeLJ.pdf

Even Yale Students protested against Roe v Wade in favour of banning abortion!!! I will go to Yale to finish Law School.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Let me ask you, is Roe v Wade justified? No. It claims that we cannot ban abortion? Than what's the point of choosing right? Exactly. Roe v Wade is wrong, that's why it was overturned.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Con 1

Life begins at conception, making abortion murder.

Conception is the moment a sperm cell fertilizes an egg cell, which begins the process of cell division that creates a human. [256]

Tara Sander Lee, Senior Fellow and Director of Life Sciences at the Charlotte Lozier Institute, stated, “life begins from the moment of conception when the sperm fertilizes the egg, because there is the creation of a new, totally distinct, integrated organism or a human being, which is going to be biologically distinct from all other life forms on this planet.” The first cell is biologically distinct because it has its own DNA that is different from either biological parent and all other humans. [257]

Ending a life is murder legally and ethically, even a life that is only a few growing cells at the time of death.

Pope Francis explained, “Abortion is murder. Those who carry out abortions kill…. At the third week after conception, often even before the mother is aware (of being pregnant), all the organs are already (starting to develop). It is a human life. Period. And this human life has to be respected. It is very clear…. Scientifically, it is a human life.” [258]

That people may face difficulties without abortion as an option does not excuse or justify murder. A reader of The Atlantic, who gave only the initial K., clarified the moral dilemma: “I wish that I could be pro-choice because the awful circumstances so many women face—that I can’t even imagine facing—seem so much more real to me than the rights of a fetus who doesn’t even always look human. But abortion is the intentional killing of a human being and we look back with horror at anyone in history who decided a group of people did not actually count as people. We cannot solve the problem of injustice against women with more injustice. We need solutions that support women without killing fetuses.” [295]

Con 2

Legal abortion promotes a culture in which life is disposable.

Echoing a 2014 remark by Pope Francis that connected abortion to “throwaway culture,” Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, New Jersey, stated, “abortion represents a failure to recognize the sanctity of human life and promotes a culture in which human life in its most vulnerable moment is perceived as disposable. Such a proposal targets poor women as needing an expedient solution to a complex problem.” [260]

Tobin previously declared legal abortion a “brutalization of the American heart” on par with the “dehumanization of the undocumented” immigrants. [261]

Alveda King, former Georgia state representative and niece of Martin Luther King, Jr., also connected abortion to other societal ills: “Abortion and racism are both symptoms of a fundamental human error. The error is thinking that when someone stands in the way of our wants, we can justify getting that person out of our lives. Abortion and racism stem from the same poisonous root, selfishness. We create the deceptions that the other person is less important, less worthy, less human. We are all fully human. When we face this truth, there is no justification for treating those who look different than us as lesser beings. If we simply treat other people the way we’d like to be treated, racism, abortion, and other forms of inhumanity will be things of the past.” [262]

As King notes, some fetuses are treated as less than human. This ideology combined with legal abortion could create a slippery slope to designer babies, gender selection, termination of disabled but healthy fetuses, and other trait-selection-based abortions. The slippery slope can then extend to the mentally disabled and elderly in general.

[262]

“[A]bortion is an act rife with the potential for eugenic manipulation,” according to US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. “Technological advances have only heightened the eugenic potential for abortion, as abortion can now be used to eliminate children with unwanted characteristics, such as a particular sex or disability.” [263]

Con 3

Increased access to birth control, health insurance, and sexual education would make abortion unnecessary.

Abortion rates in the United States have fallen at what the CDC called a “slow yet steady pace” since a peak in 1981. That year there were 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44. The rate fell to 11.4 abortions per 1,000 women in 2019. [264] [265]

Experts largely contribute the decline in abortions in the United States and elsewhere to the improved safety and availability of LARC (long-acting reversible contraception) including IUDs and contraceptive implants that can last up to 10 years. [264] [266] [267]

Access to health insurance to pay for contraceptives also contributed to a drop in abortions. With the passage of Obamacare (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), more people were insured with access to free or low-cost contraceptives and reproductive care. [264]

Linda Rosenstock, Public Health Professor of Health Policy and Management at UCLA, summarized the simplicity of the connection: “In the United States each year, about half of pregnancies are unintended and about 40% of those lead to abortion. Access to birth control leads to fewer abortions.” [264]

Further, teens are having sex later in life than their parents. 38.4% of American high schoolers reported they have had sex (down from 54% in 1991) and only 27.4% reported they were currently sexually active (37.5% in 1991). [268]

Because teen birth control use has not increased significantly, experts attribute the decline in part to better sex education. A 2021 study found that students who received comprehensive sexual education initiated sex later than students who did not participate in sex ed. The later teens have sex, the less chance there is for them to become pregnant unintentionally, which leads to fewer abortions. [264] [268] [269]

Historically, abortion was a popular means of birth control and family planning due to a lack of reliable contraception, education, and other resources, and the fact that childbirth was incredibly dangerous. Better options are now available, including more effective birth control, better healthcare and health insurance, and sex education to ensure an unwanted pregnancy does not happen in the first place. [264] [270]

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

The bash against hypocrites like "sciencerules" continues:

It seems science disagrees with the snowflake.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/pro-life-pro-science/549308/

Mad? I don't care truthphobe.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pro lifers are pro science. But pro abortion are anti science. "Sciencerules" is the pinnacle of that example above all the other pro abortionists. He is defeated in an absolute manner. Baby lives matter.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Hypocrisy within the pro choice movement exists like how water exists on earth and like how the devil loves to use pawns in his political game which he always fails because God always wins. "Sciencerules" is only one of many under his evil influence. Pro abortionists are weak and exposed. They have zero morality and only the claim that it's the "mother's choice" and yet they deny people to be pro lifers hm? That is the definition of hypocritical. Claiming one thing but doing the exact opposite. "Sciencerules" also claims to be anti hateful but is hateful towards Christians, pro lifers and truth speakers. He is a snowflake and a truthphobic ignorant.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/june-web-only/abortion-politics-pro-lifers-arent-hypocrites.html

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pro choicers claim there is a choice right? But how when they decide babies should be aborted? Does that give babies A CHOICE? No, it robs them of life! That is the truth behind abortion supporters. Murderers will not see the Kingdom of God. The left, as disarranged as it is may claim whatever they like about pro lifers. It doesn't change the fact that the sanctity of life is precious. Mothers cherish their babies. Pro abortionists forget that they were once born from his or her mother's womb once. What an abuse of choice eh? Going against your own kind? Calling fetuses parasites?

Side: Pro-Life
0 points

I am pulling back the lens. This might seem off topic at first. Conservatives don't care about fetuses. They just want a way to enforce the white supremacist patriarchal status quo.

Conservatives don't care about Japanese Americans.

"incarcerate about 120,000 Japanese Americans, many American-born, in internment camps. Forced to leave behind their homes, businesses, and property, many Japanese Americans lost everything."

Erin Blakemore

Nor the Chinese Americans with the Chinese Exclusion Act. Remember yellowface? Trump doesn't care about Asian Americans.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-kellyanne-conway-coronavirus n5eeebc5dc5b6aac5f3a46b45

Which leads to violence against all Asian Americans.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/trumps-chinese-virus-tweet-helped-lead-rise-racist/story?id=76530148

Trump doesn't care about you. Stop voting against your own interests.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35657278/

Supporting Evidence: Model minority myth. (www.nationalgeographic.com)
Side: Pro-Choice
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

All of your arguments are invalidated 100%. What you say makes zero sense. Cry me a river and get over it. All truths I speak of are absolute. My testimony of Jesus Christ stands.

Side: Pro-Life

Trump doesn't care about Asian Americans.

"On the night several Asian women were shot dead in Atlanta, he referred to COVID-19 as the "China Virus" on Fox News." Dr. Mishal Reja

Making incendiary racist remarks is not pro-life.

Supporting Evidence: Trump doesn't care. (abcnews.go.com)
Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

This is why pro lifers are pro lifers:

4 real women talk about having an abortion. You WILL FIND OUT OF ALL OF THEM, AT LEAST ONE OR A FEW WHO HAVE REGRETTED HAVING AN ABORTION. PRO ABORTIONISTS HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SHOW COMPASSION FOR WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND YET THEY STILL WANT KILLING A DEVELOPING HUMAN BEING AKA A FETUS TO BE LEGAL? HYPOCRISY OF THE ABORTIONIST AGENDA EXPOSED. FEMINAZIS ARE BANNED FROM THIS FORUM FOR MISANDRISM AND MISGOGYNISM.

"If you won't even accept left center feminist frequency and probably center bias center for countering digital hate then you are so extreme right there is no convincing you." - "sciencerules" the hypocritical strawman loving snowflake (Opponent on the wrong side)

"Truly truly I say unto you, if ye are not reborn from water and of the spirit, thou shalt not enter thy Kingdom of God." - Jesus Christ, the Son of God (Our Savior who is on the righteous side)

"If you won't accept that real women have gone through abortions and have regretted it, then you are clearly a human being without a conscience and because of this, pro lifers are even more justified to fight for baby lives because yes, they do matter. You clearly are extremely leftist and you are clearly ignorant and retarded. There is no common sense within you and you clearly are sexist towards men. You are a hypocrite and you are clearly hateful. There is no truth within you. You have proven time and time and again that you would rather support pedophiles and immoral toxic ideologies rather than defending the lives of human beings, especially developing newborns. What does this say about yourself? That you are no longer behaving humanely but rather, inhumanely. You will be committed to Arkham Asylum for life because you just proved yourself to be a feminazi. Nazis were leftists FYI snowflake. Cry me a river and get over it." - Dr. Batman (Follower of Jesus who is also on the righteous side.)

Here are four women who have gone through abortions. One or a few will say they've regretted it. None of my arguments have strawman to it. You on the other hand? Yep. You are what you sew. That's how your arguments are invalidated 100% flawlessly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgvOtrBbYE0

God prevails!

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Evidence of women testifying that abortion is terrifying:

https://siragainesville.com/abortion-regrets-a-sad-reality-for-many- women/

Attempt to say that "it's a strawman attack" and you will automatically be destroyed by your own words. I dare you because I know some of you are naive enough to step out of line. There will be zero mercy for the wicked of this world. You have been warned.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Ex female abortionist regrets holding up her abortion sign:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ 250254/women-regret-abortion-find-healing

Many women say they don't regret an abortion is solely because they are affected by today's third wave feminazism. Yes, that's right. They are only saying that because they are brainwashed. All non redeemable feminazis will be wiped from the earth. Women who realize the truth of how much babies are precious will wake up from their mind controlled state and stand against the feminazis regime. To the women out there, I may not understand the pain of pregnancy but as a man, I know I would be responsible and I do not run from my responsibilities. Having an abortion is running from your responsibilities. Once you see that, you will realize how wrong you were for supporting the termination of a newborn child. Children have the right to live. You were once a fetus yourself. What does that say about yourself? Oh please, don't try to use the "But you are trying to make me feel guilty" kind of statement. It doesn't work because are you offended by the truth? If you are offended and if you are a woman, you deserve to be sterilized. If you are a man tho and you want your wife's child or girlfriend's child to die, even though you are the dad here not the mom, you deserve to be imprisoned as well because you equally had a hand in creating the child in the first place. All abortionists deserve to be imprisoned for life. Dehumanizing a fetus to a mere parasite says alot about yourself as a human being because you were once in your mother's womb. Did she not push you out and bring you into this world? If you had been aborted, you wouldn't even get to have your say and that's what's unfortunate about those newborn baby boys and girls. They could have lived better lives than all of you abortionists combined. But it doesn't matter to you about whether a baby lives right? Why? Because you are so selfish when you made the decision to have sex and won't take responsibility! That IS THE TRUTH! To all pro lifers, keep standing up for truth. DO NOT BE AFRAID!

God prevails.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Relief to regret: (Your conscience will never rest)

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38775641

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

A woman talks about her regret of an abortion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dCwx_91MOY

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

"Every villain is a hero of his own story." - Bruce Wayne in court from Injustice 2

"Sciencerules" is a MAJOR EXAMPLE OF THIS. Out of the amount of toxic comments, hypocritical strawman assaults, insults, heterophobic, Christophobic and truthphobic immature screaming, I find the accused guilty of committing crime against humanity. He certifies himself as a hero yet he proves otherwise. A true hero never has to call himself nor herself a hero. I will not say I am a hero, I will say I am a concerned citizen for the safety and security of all citizens, all human beings; men and women, boys and girls who have the common sense to know right from wrong. Those who are activists for immoral views and subjective toxic ideologies are liars of society. But they claim they are heroic in their actions. They only prove to be monsters. Bruce was right. Jesus was right too. Only a few walk the narrow path through the narrow gate of truth and life. Caring about the lives of innocent babies isn't wrong but only villains will say otherwise. Sooner or later, people will regret ever supporting abortion once they realize the truths behind it.

Side: Pro-Life
6 points

If the fetus isn't a feeling and thinking conscious life, then I don't see the problem in aborting it. It can't feel pain emotional or physical, and it has no thoughts about it, this being hasn't came into existence yet, being against abortion before the fetus has obtained consciousness is like being mad because Bob the person with A, B, ..., Y, Z traits hadn't come into existence. Abortion before the fetus has gained consciousness is no more wrong than using a condom, in either case you are preventing the potential existence of a human being, not ending one.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
5 points

My wife was in a coma for 3 weeks following a heart attack and we didn't know if she would ever come out of it.

Your comments are very disturbing.

Side: Pro-Life
2 points

Okay, but that doesn't dispute his point. Or, if it is an attempt to dispute his original point, all you've done is an appeal to emotion. This is not a good basis for an argument.

Side: Pro-Choice
2 points

I agree, in addition to this, I think a woman should have a choice of what grows in her body at all times. For example, if she had a parasite, isn't it reasonable for her to take medication to get rid of it?

I do not think pregnancy is that much different. A fetus shares a lot in common with a parasite.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
1 point

Are you saying that a child in the womb is a parasite?

Side: Pro-Life
JakeBugs(2) Disputed
1 point

A fetus, aside from extreme examples, is not a safety hazard in the way that a parasite is

Side: Pro-Life
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

How dare you dehumanize a fetus to a mere parasite. You were once a fetus too. Why didn't your mother ever teach you that you are a human being and that you should respect people all around you? It just seems you would be willing to degrade a newborn baby to a mere parasite? So you weren't then nomeansno? I would say you are the parasite here and you are a murderer of infants. Your arguments are invalidated because it's solely immoral. Fetuses are developing human beings. Parasites are a danger to human beings. Babies are not parasites.

Side: Pro-Life
4 points

Anyone that thinks a zygote is a person needs to go back to 2nd grade biology class.

Side: Pro-Choice
3 points

When people make the argument that Abortion is the murder of a potential life, then they should try to ban masturbation, since it is the knowing "murder" of potential children. And what if the women is raped? or molested? What if men poked a hole in the condom to force a broken condom?

Side: Pro-Choice
2 points

I like the idea that the person who is already alive should have the choice whether or not they want bring another life into this world that hasn't even had a chance to live yet, that could be troublesome to their life.

Side: Pro-Choice

But now wait a second..., people have the choice to use condoms. If they don't want to bring another life into this world that hasn't even had a chance to live yet, that could be troublesome to their life..., couldn't they just chose to use a condom? Pro-Choice is an oxymoron. They had a choice. They just didn't make the right choice when they decided to have unprotected sex. ;)

Side: Pro-Choice
0 points

That too. I'm a forward thinker. lol. I like to jump to the most dramatic idea I can get and in this case the idea was few days before birth.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
1 point

A child in the womb is also alive... else how would they grow, mature and further develop past that magical point where (after) even YOU can't deny they are alive anymore?

Side: Pro-Life
Quocalimar(6468) Disputed
1 point

The adjective already, meaning Before or by now or the time in question was used.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Basically all the reasons just stated. Pro-choice. A woman should have the rights to her own body. The thing inside of her is a fetus, and not a baby. She should be able to choose to get rid of it in my opinion.

Side: Pro-Choice
Sitara(11082) Clarified
1 point

It is a baby, but mom still has rights. I support the sanctity of choice. .

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
3 points

Do children not have rights?

Our Constitution says they do... or at least should.

Side: Pro-Life
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

A child has the right to live as the mother does. You are a murderer and your argument is invalidated.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

I believe it is a person's right to choose what grows in their body, or does not grow in their body. Obligation only comes after it is born, not before.

Side: Pro-Choice
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

You believe it is right to kill a baby? Okay.

Knocks nomeansno out and puts it in a prison where no one will ever see it again. You die in prison.

That's your logic.

Side: Pro-Life
UisntShit(15) Disputed
1 point

You believe it is right to kill a baby? Okay.

Knocks nomeansno out and puts it in a prison where no one will ever see it again. You die in prison.

That's your logic.

I don't think anything I've read here counts as logic.

Side: Pro-Choice

Women's body, women's choice, there is nothing to talk about.

Side: Pro-Choice
JakeBugs(2) Disputed
1 point

it is not the woman's body she chooses to destroy, it the life of another growing inside of her.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pro life supporters certainly seem to care about life a lot more before it gets out of the womb for people who generally argue against universal health care. Also, whether or not to keep a baby is the woman's choice. Not a protesting Texan's choice.

Side: Pro-Choice
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

Your hypocrisy is hilarious that you trip over your own words. You are just solely searching for a sorry excuse to kill a baby. Your arguments are invalid.

Baby lives matter

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Until it can survive outside of the womb on it's on it is not a baby it is a fetus. It is also a parasite because it relies on the mother for life. Don't like abortions don't get one, but don't take away a woman's right to choose especially if you don't want your rights taken away.

Side: Pro-Choice
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

So if I stab a pregnant woman in the stomach 1 week before she was gonna give birth, I would just be killing a fetus, right?

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

I am only against abortions past the 2nd trimester. I do not like using "pro-choice", as it implies that those who disagree with me on abortion are not supportive of choice, namely of women's choice. Moreover, it wrongly describes my ethical and political philosophy.

Side: Pro-Choice

Does a woman have the right to an abortion under the U.S. Constitution? If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: Pro-Choice

Abortion should be entirely up to what the to-be mother is. I feel that if she doesn't have a say if her child is going to die or not would be unjust. Second, rape is mainly the reason why one would want to kill their child. Abortion takes place when the baby is at a developing stage. It has not taken any life form yet, so it should not hurt anyone emotionally.

Side: Pro-Choice
0 points

I support the sanctity of choice. .

Side: Pro-Choice

Much of pro-life is based upon disinformation. Fake abortion clinics outnumber real ones 3-1.

https://counterhate.com/blog/we-made-google-take-action-on-anti-abortion-fake-clinics/

Supporting Evidence: Crisis pregenancy center disinformation. (feministfrequency.com)
Side: Pro-Choice
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

Much of pro choicers are based on going against life itself which is a crime and murder. That's why once again "sciencerules" is a hypocritical little snowflake who doesn't have any truth. Your arguments are invalidated. Continuation of your hypocrisy will be exposed.

Con 1

Life begins at conception, making abortion murder.

Conception is the moment a sperm cell fertilizes an egg cell, which begins the process of cell division that creates a human. [256]

Tara Sander Lee, Senior Fellow and Director of Life Sciences at the Charlotte Lozier Institute, stated, “life begins from the moment of conception when the sperm fertilizes the egg, because there is the creation of a new, totally distinct, integrated organism or a human being, which is going to be biologically distinct from all other life forms on this planet.” The first cell is biologically distinct because it has its own DNA that is different from either biological parent and all other humans. [257]

Ending a life is murder legally and ethically, even a life that is only a few growing cells at the time of death.

Pope Francis explained, “Abortion is murder. Those who carry out abortions kill…. At the third week after conception, often even before the mother is aware (of being pregnant), all the organs are already (starting to develop). It is a human life. Period. And this human life has to be respected. It is very clear…. Scientifically, it is a human life.” [258]

That people may face difficulties without abortion as an option does not excuse or justify murder. A reader of The Atlantic, who gave only the initial K., clarified the moral dilemma: “I wish that I could be pro-choice because the awful circumstances so many women face—that I can’t even imagine facing—seem so much more real to me than the rights of a fetus who doesn’t even always look human. But abortion is the intentional killing of a human being and we look back with horror at anyone in history who decided a group of people did not actually count as people. We cannot solve the problem of injustice against women with more injustice. We need solutions that support women without killing fetuses.” [295]

Con 2

Legal abortion promotes a culture in which life is disposable.

Echoing a 2014 remark by Pope Francis that connected abortion to “throwaway culture,” Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, New Jersey, stated, “abortion represents a failure to recognize the sanctity of human life and promotes a culture in which human life in its most vulnerable moment is perceived as disposable. Such a proposal targets poor women as needing an expedient solution to a complex problem.” [260]

Tobin previously declared legal abortion a “brutalization of the American heart” on par with the “dehumanization of the undocumented” immigrants. [261]

Alveda King, former Georgia state representative and niece of Martin Luther King, Jr., also connected abortion to other societal ills: “Abortion and racism are both symptoms of a fundamental human error. The error is thinking that when someone stands in the way of our wants, we can justify getting that person out of our lives. Abortion and racism stem from the same poisonous root, selfishness. We create the deceptions that the other person is less important, less worthy, less human. We are all fully human. When we face this truth, there is no justification for treating those who look different than us as lesser beings. If we simply treat other people the way we’d like to be treated, racism, abortion, and other forms of inhumanity will be things of the past.” [262]

As King notes, some fetuses are treated as less than human. This ideology combined with legal abortion could create a slippery slope to designer babies, gender selection, termination of disabled but healthy fetuses, and other trait-selection-based abortions. The slippery slope can then extend to the mentally disabled and elderly in general.

[262]

“[A]bortion is an act rife with the potential for eugenic manipulation,” according to US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. “Technological advances have only heightened the eugenic potential for abortion, as abortion can now be used to eliminate children with unwanted characteristics, such as a particular sex or disability.” [263]

Con 3

Increased access to birth control, health insurance, and sexual education would make abortion unnecessary.

Abortion rates in the United States have fallen at what the CDC called a “slow yet steady pace” since a peak in 1981. That year there were 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44. The rate fell to 11.4 abortions per 1,000 women in 2019. [264] [265]

Experts largely contribute the decline in abortions in the United States and elsewhere to the improved safety and availability of LARC (long-acting reversible contraception) including IUDs and contraceptive implants that can last up to 10 years. [264] [266] [267]

Access to health insurance to pay for contraceptives also contributed to a drop in abortions. With the passage of Obamacare (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), more people were insured with access to free or low-cost contraceptives and reproductive care. [264]

Linda Rosenstock, Public Health Professor of Health Policy and Management at UCLA, summarized the simplicity of the connection: “In the United States each year, about half of pregnancies are unintended and about 40% of those lead to abortion. Access to birth control leads to fewer abortions.” [264]

Further, teens are having sex later in life than their parents. 38.4% of American high schoolers reported they have had sex (down from 54% in 1991) and only 27.4% reported they were currently sexually active (37.5% in 1991). [268]

Because teen birth control use has not increased significantly, experts attribute the decline in part to better sex education. A 2021 study found that students who received comprehensive sexual education initiated sex later than students who did not participate in sex ed. The later teens have sex, the less chance there is for them to become pregnant unintentionally, which leads to fewer abortions. [264] [268] [269]

Historically, abortion was a popular means of birth control and family planning due to a lack of reliable contraception, education, and other resources, and the fact that childbirth was incredibly dangerous. Better options are now available, including more effective birth control, better healthcare and health insurance, and sex education to ensure an unwanted pregnancy does not happen in the first place. [264] [270]

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

No truth to my statements? If you won't even accept left center feminist frequency and probably center bias center for countering digital hate then you are so extreme right there is no convincing you.

Every sperm is sacred.
Side: Pro-Choice
Dr_Batman(323) Disputed
1 point

Further abuse from "sciencerules" hateful hypocrisy is that he claims he is against hate, yet he doesn't allow the lives of babies to go on. That is pure hypocrisy. Yes, you have zero truth and you belong in prison for life because you are a pro murderer. Baby lives matter.

Knocks "sciencerules" out with 777 punches & kicks and puts him in Death Row Prison for life.

His so called link is hypocritical and full of leftist ideologies that are not fruitful towards this debate at all. "Claiming to be countering hate and yet you are promoting the death of developing human beings."

Yes, I will continue to destroy you with these truths. Your humiliation is only beginning because I am your worst nightmare.

You were once a fetus too and I will say now, "sciencerules", your life doesn't matter because you've dehumanized every possible newborn to come into this world. They've done nothing to you. But you have made them suffer and you will pay for your sins.

Side: Pro-Life
0 points

Even when I first joined this website before you joined I could tell this was going to be difficult. Why? Because people wouldn't trust the best sources on the Internet like Snopes.

If someone is that extreme right, it is almost like a point of no return. I don't think I can convince them. Yet, I feel the worst I thing I can do is simply give up. Then, more and more extreme right views could spread unchallenged.

The two links about fake abortion clinics are relevant and useful. They show just how dangerous and far pro-life people will take their stance.

"Anti-abortion extremists are considered a current domestic terrorist threat by the United States Department of Justice."

Pro-life takes away all choice and autonomy from women. Keep them barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen is the misogynists' creed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Supporting Evidence: Anti-abortion violence. (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: Pro-Choice