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Progressives Know Gun Control Won't Stop Criminals
So how will gun control work in the Ghettos of America which are run by Progressives ? Will more gun control laws stop those criminals in the Ghettos Of America run by Progressives ?
ANYTHING blamed but the fact that we've been teaching our children and our children's children that Human Life is indeed expendable / legal and 'moral' since 1973 ..... they indeed are receiving that message .. they simple chose a different age bracket .... they follow the footsteps of their father ... the ultimate liar and a murderer from the beginning
Christianity has always taught that life is expendable. It is extremely ridiculous to claim that it only started in 1973. Anyone who believes that God can wipe out all life and be just in doing so is following a belief that life is expendable.
Only the Hebrews that invented him in the first place as a supernatural killer god to deal with their enemies who enslaved and oppressed them every other week. How is this not an obvious reason for the invention of Yahweh the sky god in the first place?
Who is calling for more Gun Control ? Is that not your Progressive type that are calling for it ? But have the Progressives ever addressed the guns in the hands of criminals ?
Is that not your Progressive type that are calling for it ?
Just because Progressives are stupid enough to want terrible gun control doesn't mean you aren't also stupid.
But have the Progressives ever addressed the guns in the hands of criminals ?
Address: think about and begin to deal with (an issue or problem).
Addressing something doesn't mean fix it. Addressing it means thinking about it and starting to deal with it. Do you deny that progressives have thought about it?
What has the Republican party done to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? What do you propose should be done to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? It isn't a debate until you put forth your opposing idea. You are only establishing that progressives have entered into the debate.
What will no additional Gun Control Laws pushed forward do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? You are asking people who are afraid to get shot to support changing nothing instead of adding laws. Changing nothing will change nothing, obviously. Adding laws has the possibility of causing change. If you don't provide a solution how can you convince anyone to join your side?
I think we need to spend money on enforcement of current laws. We should be tracking down the sellers of illegal guns. What do you think?
If you think the gun control laws are bad, tell me any other idea for stopping criminals. If you think the gun laws are a good thing, don't mention any other way to stop criminals from getting guns.
That's why we don't convict and sentence murderers to life in prison and sometimes death. Oh wait, that's exactly what we do. Because killing people is not acceptable and people are not expendable. Youre just asserting they are because you lack any nuanced understanding of....evolution? You're talking about evolution right?
No it won't. Terrorist look for gun free zones where they can't defend themselves. Nearly every single shooting since the 1950s has occurred in a gun free zone. Criminals can make their own guns or buy on the black market from someone who makes their own guns quite easily. There's no way to keep the internet's black markets at bay. There will always be some new hacker making some new backdoor entrance to censored networks. You can't close the Internet loophole and if you do people will find some other loophole. ISIS is an actual terrorist organization that could possibly be a gun supplier.
If we go by peace and love logic, which is the wrong logic, we should just have some hot girl try to turn the other cheek and politely ask a terrorist to put the gun down while they are shooting and she'll just get shot in the head is all that will happen. That's at least going by a stupid person's logic. Meanwhile there have been cases in other countries that I cited in another debate where a shooter will try to kill people outside of a gun free zone and they show it takes one person with a gun pointed at the shooter, given that its at an angle where the shooter doesn't have time to turn and shoot the person before getting shot himself (or herself), to neutralize an attacker. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that's the peace and love logic people are using for guns.
There's one citation of an article that mentions one person with a gun being all it takes.
France tried to ban guns and ended up with the Paris attacks as a consequence of everyone being unarmed. Paris was caused by eight people who just happened to be the only ones with guns.
"Ninety-four of the 133 incidents (71%) took place wholly in private residences. Of the 38 incidents in public spaces, at least 21 took place wholly or in part where concealed guns could be lawfully carried. All told, no more than 17 of the shootings (13%) took place entirely in public spaces that were so-called “gun-free zones.” "
find a similar statistic about mass shootings in general, because 1. most mass shootings do happen in gun free zones and 2. France has strict gun laws everywhere, even wjere people are allowed to conceal them, and 3. it doesn't matter so much about your france example because one has to have a hunting license to buy a gun and even the guns they allow in gun allowing zones are heavily restricted from use.
"Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in France are required to establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example hunting, target shooting, personal protection, security and collection"
"In France, carrying a gun in a public place is regulated by law"
between those two facts, and the fact that the French black market for gun sales is increasing rapidly, making it a country with among the most armed populations in Europe just because of illegal firearm trade:
So by your logic they banned guns and have less shootings, yet more people have guns illegally (which implies criminals) and crime has been drastically increasing in France in the past few years as this is happening:
and this statistic show that while the US has a higher total number of crimes (since we have a larger population), France has a higher ratio of crimes committed per capita to its population size:
My point and logic is that while 21 incidents took place where guns could be lawfully carried, the gun laws are so strict that I don't think most people that were law abiding citizens were able to obtain carried guns, because there's an insane process to get them and they are regulated there more than anywhere else in the world. 32% had guns but most of that was illegally and the ones that did IMO would be less likely to leave their gun at home because the gun laws are so strict and probably would prevent people from using these guns or carrying them into certain areas. For example, here's a quote of a French law or even a few that would seriously limit the number of people with guns, even in areas where they are allowed:
"Carrying firearms of categories A,1 B,2 as well as firearms of category D3 listed by Decree in State Council, or essential components of firearms of categories A and B or corresponding ammunition, is forbidden, as well as their transport without genuine reason."
"It is forbidden:
1° To carry firearms, components of firearms and ammunition of categories A4 and B,5 except in cases provided for in Articles R. 315-51 to R. 315-11;2 3
2° To transport without a genuine reason firearms, components of firearms and ammunition of category B;
3° To carry and transport without genuine reason firearms, components of firearms and ammunition of categories C6 and D.7"
"In terms of hunting and sport shooting:
1° A hunting permit issued in France or abroad, or any other document in lieu of a foreign hunting permit, as well as credentials of the current year or of the past year, serves as a legitimate licence to carry firearms, components of firearms and ammunition of category C1 and of 1° of category D,2 as well as firearms of a) of 2° of category D, for use while hunting or to practice a related activity;
2° A hunting permit issued in France or abroad, or any other document in lieu of a foreign hunting permit, serves as a legitimate licence to transport firearms, components of firearm and ammunition of category C and of 1° of category D, as well as firearms of a) of 2° of category D, intended to be used while hunting or to practice a related activity;
3° A valid shooting licence issued by a sports federation that has received, under Article L. 131-14 of the Sports Code, delegation from the Minister in charge of Sports for the practice of shooting, serves as a legitimate licence to transport firearms, components of firearm and ammunition of categories B,3 C and of 1° of category D, as well as firearms, components of firearms and ammunition of 2° of category D, which are used to practice sports related to the said federation."
"Justification for participating in an historical re-enactment serves as genuine reason for the carrying of firearms and components of firearms of a), d), e), f), g) and k) of 2° of category D,1 within the strict framework of this event."
On top of all that here's the punishment in France for carrying a firearm if you aren't on the list of justified reasons to have one (which I think is probably very few people):
"Article L. 317-4
The acquisition, transfer, or possession, without the authorisation referred to in Article L. 313-3,1 of one or many firearms of categories A2 or B,3 ammunition, or their essential components, in breach of Articles L. 312-14 5 6 7 8 9 to L. 312-4-3,10 L. 314-211 or L. 314-3,12 is punishable with a prison term of three years and a fine of 45,000€…
The court shall order, in addition, the seizure of the firearms and ammunition."
find a similar statistic about mass shootings in general
If there is data that is more general, please present it - this one looks at "every mass shooting between January 2009 and July 2015 that was identifiable through FBI data and media reports." (in America)
a higher total number of crimes
Is there a reason you used all crime rather than the seemingly more apropos Gun Crime report available from the same source??
Was it because it shows the US has 3 times the rate of gun crimes and intentional homicides as France (yes, per capita)
France has the strictest gun laws and they still had the Paris attacks. The US has more mass shootings then any other country in the world. But even with the statistic saying the US has the most shootings, even more than France, the Paris attacks happened after they banned guns by comparison is my point. By comparison, Obama implements stricter gun laws (this is my point about the US) and yet we've had more mass shootings in recent years than any other time in US history.
If your point is that "[t]errorist look for gun free zones" then I would say you are incorrect. If your point is that gun control can reduce gun crime but not prevent all gun crime, then I would agree with you.
And Obama has not implemented stricter gun laws - in fact federal gun laws are less restrictive now than when he took office.
I made three points. 1. Terrorists look for gun free zones and I'm supporting that by showing statistics that nearly every mass shooting takes place in one where people can't defend themselves. 2. if you take away guns you will end up with more shotings because people who really want guns will get them anyways. This I've also cited. 3. based on points 1 and 2 if you make the whole country a gun free zone, terrorist attacks that do occur will amplify in size to become like 9/11 or Paris level attacks, and possibly even larger.
So, when I post a study, you ask for something more general - when I say if you have something more general then present it, you present something that takes the same data and then eliminates nearly 80% of the shootings??
It redefines mass shooting to "a mass public shooting where the point of the crime was to kill as many people as possible so as to obtain media attention", eliminates the domestic violence, gang shootings, etc and even further restricts the definition of gun-free zone - they require the area to allow concealed carry of handguns instead of just open carry, etc.
I'll leave it to the objective reader to determine which report is more guilty of tailoring the statistics to fit their agenda...
Also from the report:
"Mass public shootings, where the shooter intends to commit mass murder in a public place, has not “exploded” over the last five years, as frequently claimed in the media, either in terms of the number of attacks or the number of people killed. Indeed, the evidence points to a slight decline in attacks."
How does this comport with your earlier claim that "we've had more mass shootings in recent years than any other time in US history"?
"We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it."- President Obama
“Couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting, similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it, we’re not doing, we’re not seeing that again, and basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws, and they haven’t had a mass shooting since. Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There’s no advanced, developed country that would put up with this." -President Obama
What was that you were saying about how nobody wanting to take anyone's guns?
"We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it."
"So the notion that gun violence is somehow different, that our freedom and our Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how we use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt and protect their families and do everything they do under such regulations doesn’t make sense."
Couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting, similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it, we’re not doing, we’re not seeing that again, and basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws, and they haven’t had a mass shooting since. Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There’s no advanced, developed country that would put up with this.
"We have a Second Amendment. We have historically respected gun rights. I respect gun rights. But the idea that, for example, we couldn’t even get a background check bill in, to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so that you can’t just walk up to a store and buy a semi-automatic weapon. It makes no sense."
And
"Until there is a fundamental shift in public opinion in which people say, enough, this is not acceptable, this is not normal, this isn’t sort of the price we should be paying for our freedom, that we can have respect for the Second Amendment and responsible gun owners and sportsmen and hunters can have the ability to possess weapons but that we are going to put some commonsense rules in place that make a dent, at least, in what’s happening -- until that is not just the majority of you -- because that’s already the majority of you, even the majority of gun owners believe that. But until that’s a view that people feel passionately about and are willing to go after folks who don’t vote reflecting those values, until that happens, sadly, not that much is going to change."
And
"I am prepared to work with anybody, including responsible sportsmen and gun owners to craft some solutions"
So, you are clearly misreading the intentions - the only question is how deliberately…
The additional context doesn't help things at all. He is playing word games and it's quite clear.
The Second Amendment wasn't established for hunting and self protection. Sure, these are some of the benefits that come along with it, but no the purpose. the Second Amendment serves two purposes. It guarantees that the population is allowed to be armed for the purpose of overthrowing the government. If I government, no matter how large or small, goes tyrannical(see Battle of Athens 1946), and all peaceful avenues of government removal are exhausted, it provides the people with the ability to forcefully remove the government. The second purpose is to keep the government afraid of the people, not the other way around.
So when he continuously mentions hunters and self protection, he is purposely leaving out the fact that the amendment has nothing to do with either of those and instead refers to a means for his own removal from power. The Second Amendment is quite literally a death threat to the government not to fuck with us.
Now when you couple his disingenuous statements with his repeated mention of countries that have banned and removed guns from the citizenry, his intention becomes clear. He is twisting the purpose of the amendment and then mentions how other countries took disarmed their populations. This isn't accidental. That is the obvious end goal.
As for his call for more regulation. Gun control measures having been coming down the pipe for a century. More rules. More laws. More, more, more and none of them based on any sort of facts. Only emotive knee jerks. Now when he says "modest" or "common sense" or other terms that get thrown around like "reasonable" or "sensible" gun regulations, this is removing from context that the Second Amendment has been paired down for a hundred years now. This isn't one small thing. This yet another law. Yet another usurpation of the Constitution, all in the name of our supposed safety.
Now a question for you. When does it end? When will the gun control laws stop being pushed? If the gun owners bent over for the government and let them have their way with this, would this be the be all end all for gun control? Or will there be another push and another law and another push and another law and on and on, until the Second Amendment no longer means anything and the people has to hope that nothing will ever go wrong?
It guarantees that the population is allowed to be armed for the purpose of overthrowing the government. If I government
Completely backwards. It was not so that people could defend themselves from the government - it was actually so they could be called on to defend the government...
when he continuously mentions hunters and self protection, he is purposely leaving out the fact that the amendment has nothing to do with either of those
What it did have to do with was state militias (often used as slave patrols) and not having free standing armies (because they thought it was dangerous for a country to have a free standing army as a country would tend to find some use for them.)
Yet, we no longer have slavery and we do have one of the largest free standing militaries in the world.
refers to a means for his own removal from power.
He can be removed from power by election, term limits, impeachment, resignation, etc. Treasonous assassination (likely by someone in the minority opinion) was not the intent of the 2nd amendment.
his repeated mention of countries that have banned and removed guns from the citizenry
You can still own guns in Australia, it is just far more difficult.
The intent is to point out the obvious - that gun regulations can and do work in terms of reducing gun deaths. From there people need to decide what regulations they are comfortable with in balancing individual liberty and public safety.
He has repeatedly called for universal background checks - which would keep known terrorists and felons from legally buying guns which even the vast majority of NRA members support. Yes, there are " "reasonable" or "sensible" gun regulations" that could pass except for Congress voting contrary to most of its constituents.
When will the gun control laws stop being pushed?
There will probably always be people pushing for more gun laws and always be people pushing for fewer gun laws - welcome to democracy. Should violent felons who just escaped from prison be able to walk into walmart and buy fully automatic weapons?? Clearly some gun control is beneficial.
Okay, so you don't believe that the Second Amendment has anything to do with disposing a tyrannical government or the individual right to bear arms. Let's establish some context, by looking at some history and correct those misconceptions.
In 1774, Great Britain enacted a ban on the import all firearms and gunpowder.
On April 19, 1775, the Battles of Lexington and Concord sparked the beginning of the Revolutionary war. British Governor of Massachusetts, General Gage, was ordered to destroy all military supplies in Concord; this is too including their weapons, obviously. The Colonists resisted and a battle ensued. The spark was England's attempt to disarm the colonists. This wasn't the first time that he had attempted to disarm the Colonists, but this was the first time that the attempt had resulted in shots being fired and then quickly into an all-out battle.
Gage continued his attempts to disarm the Colonists in Massachusetts. He proclaimed that any armed civilian was traitor. He allowed them to hand over their arms peacefully, but after only 2,600 guns were handed over in Boston, it was clear that the Colonists were refusing. May 25, 1775, London dispatched more troops to the Colonies, under order to seize all public armories and secret collections of arms.
On July 8th, 1775, the Continental Congress sent an open letter to Great Britain issuing the warning, “men trained to arms from their Infancy, and animated by the Love of Liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.”
July 4th, 1776 the Declaration of Independence is signed. Here an excerpt from the document, in favor of disposing a tyrannical government, for all of the reasons listed.
“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
So, it is clear that the Founder’s believed that, when left with no other recourse in the face of a tyrannical government, violent revolution was the only option. They exhausted their options and the government actively pursued a campaign to disarm the people.
Now, with a bloody war fought over liberty (the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views) they were quite aware of that fact that a government could become a tyranny. They were aware that it could happen again.
"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." — Daniel Webster
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."— James Madison (attributed to Madison, by his contemporaries
“History, in general, only informs us what bad government is.”-Thomas Jefferson (1807)
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.”-Thomas Paine
So, the Founding Fathers knew that a government could go bad, but what were their thoughts on dealing with such a government?
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”-Thomas Jefferson
“When a government betrays the people by amassing too much power and becoming tyrannical, the people have no choice but to exercise the original rights of self defense – to fight the government.” – Alexander Hamilton
But how would the “people” have the ability to fight the government if they themselves were not allowed to own weapons? Well, that’s because they believed in the individual’s right to weapon ownership.
“…that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms.” –Alexander Hamilton(Federalist Paper #29)
“The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, … or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press.”- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Major John Cartwright (5 June 1824).
“Here every private person is authorized to arm himself, and on the strength of this authority, I do not deny the inhabitants had a right to arm themselves at that time, for their defense, not for offence."- John Adams as defense attorney for the British soldiers on trial for the Boston Massacre. Reported in L. Kinvin Wroth and Hiller B. Zobel, ed., Legal Papers of John Adams (Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Press, 1965), 3:248.
“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.”-James Madison Federalist No. 46 1788
“That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, composed of the Body of the People, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe Defence of a free state.” George Mason Within Mason's declaration of "the essential and unalienable Rights of the People", later adopted by the Virginia ratification convention (1788)
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.” - Patrick Henry Virginia's U.S. Constitution ratification convention (June 5, 1788), reported in Elliot, Debates of the Several State Conventions 3:45.
“[A]rms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.”- Thomas Paine, as quoted in "Thoughts On Defensive War" (1775), by T. Paine, Pennsylvania Magazine (July 1775).
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.” -Noah Webster, writing under the nom de plume of "A Citizen of America", as quoted in An Examination Into the Leading Principles of the Constitution (17 October 1787).
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms...To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always posses arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.”- Melancton Smith, Additional Letters From The Federal Farmer, 1788.
“The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people.” - Fisher Ames, Letter to F.R. Minoe, June 12, 1789 (reporting to Minoe on the amendments proposed by Madison).
"Give me liberty, or give me death!"- Patrick Henry
So, I’ve established a historical precedence prior to the war and during the early days of a tyrannical government attempting to disarm their people. I’ve shown that the Founding Fathers recognized this tactic and had taken notice of the trend around the world and across history. I’ve shown that the Fathers did in fact believe in the right to bear arms by the individual, as well as overthrowing oppressive governments. I believe it’s safe to say I more than adequately argued my point and disproved yours.
Crime rates have exploded in recent years in France, along with the black market for guns, as I cited in the above response to your disputing argument.
Democrats =/= progressive. Your meme and your statement conflict. But then again when has consistency ever stopped you from being a jackass. Also, not sure where in the fuck you got the idea that all ghettos are in blue states? The states with the lowest incomes and largest recipients of wellfare are all in RED states. If you look at a map of the US by incomes the entire South is completely lit up.
Chicago is surrounded by the greater state of Illinois.the STATE has relaxed gun laws. Chicago itself has strict gun laws but people just bring guns from outside the city into Chicago. Because of that it's hard to measure the actual effect of the gun laws. That's why gun violence is so hard to address cuz you have states trying to enact more gun laws and they're bordering states with no gun laws and people just move between them freely and the guns move around too much. But that level of nuance is too much for you to handle
It is a mystery to me why it is so many of us who choose to behave like we are naïve little children when it comes to gun and gun violence..
There are those of us claiming to be adults whose focus isn't just on owning a gun for protection, No that's not good enough we need an AR 15, AK-47, 50 caliber machine gun, missile launcher, a tank and any other deadly device that you can think of in order for people to feel safe in society!
There is however the constant chant the bad man is going to break into the doors, through the window etc. so it is absolutely imperative that we have firearms available! That may be true in that there may be breaking to people's homes but this blaming the bad guys for for the insane fear people have in assuming that is the only reason one wants a gun. Consider the following when one already owns a gun:
.. Jealous of a spouse and using a gun to kill that spouse.
.. Child upset with parents takes rifle in gun cabinet kills both parents
.. Parent upset over child support takes gun kills other parent
.. Feuding neighbor takes gun kills other neighbor
It isn't just bad guys and gun toting citizens we should be concerned with!
Over one million unborn babies are killed each year....... not by guns, but by people like you who vote for Democrats that keep the infanticide legal. Hillary and the Democrat party support NO RESTRICTION abortions!
SPARE ME YOUR LAUGHABLE CONCERNS OVER GUNS YOU PIOUS HYPOCRITE.
Your double standards and hypocrisy when it comes to innocent human life is pathetic and barbaric.
It seems to me with all of your accusatory, inflammatory language towards me concerning baby death I don't recall hearing one single thing that you have done about that particular problem in which you say you are concerned with!
Are you kidding? I constantly speak to this inhuman issue of abortion. I constantly try to educate people like you to the inhumnity of voting for politicians who support even no restriction abortions in NINE STATES!
If people like you stopped voting for Democrats, within a couple years, you would see our abortion laws change so fast it would make your head spin. Democrats have no core values when it comes to abortion. They will change their spots in an instant if they thought they would lose their electons because of it.
Before Roe, when it was illegal to get abortions(other than extreme cases such as life of mother),there were far fewer abortions. Laws do work!
I have also given money and support to crisis pregnancy centers where they help pregnant women keep the baby and not spend years of living in guilt.