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Proof Christianity is evil
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13
"But God struck down some of the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they looked into the ark of the LORD. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the LORD had dealt them."- Samuel 6:19
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." Leviticus 25:44-46
"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." 1 Peter 2:18
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again." Exodus 21: 7-8
Christians have caused 2000 years of confusion. Regretfully the bible is totally misunderstood. It is a violent book. But if you are knowledgable about myths, it is easy to understand that the bible is nothing more than evolutionary and involutionary mysticism. Sadly, retarded Western man can not decipher a myth!
I have been here for almost 3 years on this site and I have debated with many people about this issue and others. I find it not worth my time to show backing to it because I don't feel like arguing over it anymore because people don't grasp a hold of what I say. So I just say no and move on.
To take possession of another human being is objectively morally wrong as it is to treat them in a way that is less than any human being deserves - it is against the principle that every human being has an inherent value.
You do realize that slavery of the time of the Bible was mainly for paying off debts and for criminal punishments, correct? This is not objectively wrong.
Well I don't know my history that well in truth. You mean to say that slaves choose to become slaves and that their children become slaves too, in order to pay a debt?
Many of them did sell themselves into slavery in order to pay off debt. Many of them were forced into it because they were criminals.
The Bible is not for purely racial slavery. No where in it does it even give rules in favor of racial slavery; the closest it comes is when God has condemned a nation as evil, making them slaves to Israel, as criminals.
The Bible is not for purely racial slavery. No where in it does it even give rules in favor of racial slavery; the closest it comes is when God has condemned a nation as evil, making them slaves to Israel, as criminals.
Oh, I guess it is ok as long as you label them criminals. Why is it ok to say foreigners are criminals? How is labeling someone from a foreign country a criminal not racist?
God is not saying that foreigners are criminals. God is highlighting that certain groups of people were wicked and deserved justice, which was death or slavery. It is not based off of race; it is based off of criminality, which is applied to, at certain times in the Bible, to a large group of peoples.
Technically that makes every non israeli nation (including the USA) as inferior, so according to the bible, we are all evil no matter what we do just because we werent born as Israelites.
It demands that those who have homosexual relations to be killed, not homosexuals. Does evil not deserve justice?
it is evil to say that slavery is OK.
Do you understand what slavery was at the time of the Bible? Where does it say that slavery is okay? You must remember, as Jesus said, Moses allowed many things to happen, such as divorce, because of the hardness of man's heart; this does not mean that God approves of it.
Homosexual relations is a sin against the body, it is a sin against the natural order of things, it is a mockery of the institution of marriage, and much more. Mainly, though, it is going against what God has instituted to reflect His relation with His church. Hence, it is blasphemy against God and His church.
I don't think it's inherently evil. At the time this may be seen as the "norm". In modern society things are different. Maybe in the distant future we may say the things we do now are evil. Who's to judge?
It intrigues me that you apparently place no stock in universal morality, yet also apparently still subscribe to the word evil as having some meaning or import. "Evil" is a word used solely to cast judgement against the universal immoral... and thus it is without substance within the moral relativist framework. Thoughts? Or do I misunderstand you?
A little misunderstanding. What I mean is that it's not "evil" according to modern views. I was just trying to say that evil to you is not what it was then and may be different in the future. I am glad you have recognized my beliefs though.
That's what they believe... so they try to convert people. They think they're doing good. Though the Bible has passages that promote violence, how often do you see modern-day Christians actually following through with it? I'd say the only exception would be extremists... and every religion has those, even Buddhists.
You can not be a Buddhist and perform even a tiny act of violence because there are training rules against the harming of over living beings so the people in Burma and Sri Lanka who are killing people are not real Buddhists because there actions refute that claim.
And it only is Theravada Buddhists who go corrupt, Mahayanists are not like that as we emphasize on compassion more.
That doesn't change the fact that there are Buddhist extremists. Extremists from all religions typically go a step overboard on their interpretations of their religious texts, so can you say that they aren't part of their religions either?
Well if you are a Christian you think people deserve an eternity of torment in Hell simply not for believing in Christianity, you despise Gay people, you think it is OK for your God to cruelly strike whoever he wishes, so if you ask me that is evil.
OK I suppose I don't despise Christians just their religion. I am friends with Christians and I have nothing against them just there deluded wrong views.
And how can you know from a brief conversation of you if I deserve your Friendship you only know one small part of my personality.
These are some of the evil things in the bible that are evil they are the main reasons I'm not Christian anymore but none the less there is good in the bible and Christianity isn't completely evil.
I find them morally evil no one knows what evil actually is, in my opinion it's completely opinion based on how you see the world and I see killing someone for their sexuality, allowing slavery but not for Jews and all the other points are evil. I believe they're evil because I believe everyone deserves a choice and these (slavery especially) is taking away that choice. That's my opinion anyway. Christianity really needs to update if its to be accepted worldwide as in this day and age people have there own morals and a lot of what they read in the bible (which might have been ok in the bibles time) is morally wrong in this day and age (for most people).
What is morally wrong with slavery? Slavery in the Bible was different from what it is in today's world. Do you think that some criminals should do community service? Do you think that debtors should pay off their debts?
Remember morals differ from each other where you may see slavery as ok I see it as wrong morals are different for everyone some people share the same morals but not all morals are shared by everyone. Another example of this is my hate for sport hunting and the fact other people love it.
Slavery in the Bible was different from what it is in today's world.
Exactly why I said it the bible needs to be updated to this day and age, it was OK back then, if we were all alive back when slavery was ok we would see nothing wrong with it but now that most people have freedom of choice and such they see slavery as horrible which I think it is as well.
Do you think that some criminals should do community service?
Yes since it is a punishment, I wouldn't myself count it as slavery.
Do you think that debtors should pay off their debts?
Yes since (most of the time) it was there fault they're in debt in the first place, I fail to see how this has anything to do with this.
Exactly why I said it the bible needs to be updated to this day and age, it was OK back then, if we were all alive back when slavery was ok we would see nothing wrong with it but now that most people have freedom of choice and such they see slavery as horrible which I think it is as well.
I don't think you understand. Slavery back then was based around debt and criminality, not race.
Even though it may have been based around that it doesn't make it right. To give someone ownership over another person when that person may not want to is actually quite cruel in all honesty. And the fact if the matter is that god has made it so that Jews are slaves for less time than non-Jewish people, it's just plain and simple favouritism.
Many slaves were made slaves by their own choosing in order to pay off debts. Do you think that one who has committed a crime should be punished? One who is sentenced to jail does not want to go to jail. Simply because one does not want something, such as for justice to be directed to him, it does not mean that justice should not be set forth. Criminals are criminals.
The reason the Jews had shorter slavery was because the Jews were seen as righteous, and clean.
It isn't. The argument goes from a state of evil demanding justice, to the designation of who is evil, ending with those who are evil being lawfully put into slavery. I am not going from a state of inclusion, to a state of justification.
God did not have to make anyone righteous. He chose some people to be His elect; He did not have to choose anyone to be His elect, and would still be completely just in making everyone a slave, since everyone has sinned.
Do you think that one who has committed a crime should be punished?
Yes, it's not really a punishment if it's for the rest of there life though.
The reason the Jews had shorter slavery was because the Jews were seen as righteous, and clean.
That right there. Righteous yeah, clean no. I remember hearing everyone is sinner just because they actually believe in god doesn't mean they need special treatment like I said before, favouritism of man kind.
Yes, it's not really a punishment if it's for the rest of there life though.
But it is justice.
That right there. Righteous yeah, clean no. I remember hearing everyone is sinner just because they actually believe in god doesn't mean they need special treatment like I said before, favouritism of man kind.
They were seen as righteous, which is to say that they were clean. If one has sinned, then one is not clean; however, because the blood of Christ has washed over them, they were seen as clean before God.
What about reformation? There is no point to punishing someone if they are doomed to do something for the rest of there life, without that second chance. You'd might as well kill then on the spot.
they were seen as clean before God.
That does not make the sins they have committed instantly OK, what they have done still affects the people around then in some way no matter how severe. I'll use a reference as I'm not sure whether what I said makes sense. If you smash a plate and apologise to it, te plate will not get back together because you simply apologised. Even if your apology accepted you cannot deny what you have done and will always be seen as unclean, nobody is clean. They can only be forgiven for what they have done.
Objectionable, inefficient, and approaching obsolescence... yes. Evil, no. There is no evil. It is a judgement rendered against an assumed universal immoral that doesn't exist. It is a word as empty as the religions that lean so heavily upon it.
4. Mass muder, enslavement, and forced relocation of native americans
5. Enslavement of Africans
6. Holocaust (Hitler identified as catholic many times and in his speech at the Reichstag in 1936 he said: “I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”)
7. Bombing of abortion clinics
8. Rwandan Genocide
9. Genocide of Bosnian Muslims in the Ygoslavic wars of the 90's
10. Ngo Diems perseccution of buddhists during his rule of South Vietnam
Do you seriously believe that Christians are the only people ever to conceive of the notion of evil? The idea of evil predates Christianity considerably, and even if it did not you hardly have a monopoly on the idea. Not that I especially care since I do not personally believe in good or evil...
