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Proof of at least one absolute

There must be at least one absolute.

Logic: Suppose if the truth is that there are no absolutes, then that very truth would be absolute.

another way of putting it

It may very well be that there is but one perfectly reliable guarantee, that there are no others.

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The only aboslute is that there is no one aboslute.

Omg a wormhole just opened up in space-time, AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaHhhhhhh!

atypican(4875) Disputed
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The only aboslute is that there is no one aboslute.

A self refuting statement

chatturgha(1631) Disputed
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Derp, exactly.

Why do you think I just got sucked into a wormhole in space-time?

braydens24(20) Disputed
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Again, I disagree with you. What about the notion that we exist? Not necessarily physically, but mentally. Someone can argue that your body isn't real all day long using any kind of wacky and radical ideas, but at the end of the day, how did they come up with those ideas? Using thought. As Rene Descartes said, "I think, therefore I am."

chatturgha(1631) Disputed
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Oh your God, you just met me and you're bent on being antagonistic. What is your problem? My first comment on this debate was nothing but a joke you buzz-kill! You think I would base a real opinion on a joke? I don't know if you misunderstood that it's a joke or if you're just trying to be rude and antagonistic, but really, don't be that way. It's impolite. You don't really know me at all yet. Just because the first thing you read is something you disagree with doesn't mean you're supposed to be a hostile ass.

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Making an observation such as "there absloutely are no absolutes" is not a statement credibly asscociable with an observation. Were there no absolutes, one would say "there haven't been any absolutes heresofar made aware".

atypican(4875) Disputed
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That's true, but the opening logical statement was based not on an observation but on a supposition.

I think that the only absolute is us. We are to be and exist. There is nothing else we can percieve but what we can percieve. There can be other things that we may not see, but we can't see them, so their existence isn't absolute. The existence that is absolute is our own, because we do not see anything from any other point of view. Can you see the world from the view of a dog? No, only your own eyes. So the only thing you can know for an absolute is that you exist. Your view has no other view but your own.

And yes, I don't know if I know what I'm talking about either. Just woke up.

Lol this is one of the problems i have with rape and people who are hostile towards me. I say rape can be a good thing because i believe anything in this world is possible. But when people say that rape is evil, i go "hmmm is that absolutely true."

The only truth that is guareenteed is perceptional truth. You know for a fact (100 percent) that you created this debate. But we can only recieve that fact as 99 Percent factual. That there is a 1 percent chance that you didn't created this debate. Even if i saw you that you created this debate...Who says that the person i saw was you?

Now don't get me wrong....this seems illogical. But illogical doesn't mean impossible. Right now you are probably thinking that "oh it is the same person i talked to earlier about rape." But who says it is me? I know 100% that it is me. However, you what if im lying to you? That is the 1% im talking about earlier.

Who says that i wrote the first part of this comment? I know for a fact that i did? But can you really take my word for it? You can 99% find out about the real truth. But when it is not perceptional, you can't call it guareenteed. Only i can if it my perceptional situation.

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"I think, therefore I am." - Rene Descartes

Religious arguments aside, the only true absolute in life is that we exist. One could toy with the prospects of quantum theory, theoretical physical concepts that disprove the existence of time, or any kind of radical notion, but no one can deny the existence of us, if not physically, then mentally.

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Logic: Suppose if the truth is that there are no absolutes, then that very truth would be absolute.

another way of putting it

It may very well be that there is but one perfectly reliable guarantee

According to the logic here, that there are no absolutes IS your "perfectly reliable guarantee. Your question answers itself.

Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest.

Supporting Evidence: Rand (en.wikipedia.org)