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Public School VS. Home School

Which is Superior and Why?

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Home

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5 points

It's hard to imagine there are parents who excel at all subjects taught in a school.

It is also hard to imagine home schooling does not in many instances create an unhealthy separation complex once it is finally time to leave the nest.

I think it's important children learn to act in a social environment prior to full brain development.

Maybe that's just me.

Side: public
BluBlue(4) Disputed
2 points

Obviously you aren't a homeschool kid or parent.

I am (a homeschool kid) and I know how many other homeschool kids there are. There are heaps, and there are heaps of things to do.

Most of the days of my week are spent with loads of other homeschool kids. Honestly, you just have to sit down and say 'no' to most of the activities.

There are netball teams, soccer teams, rugby teams, basketball teams, other sport teams, heaps of homeschool groups, drama classes, writing classes, other classes and the list goes on. Those are just in my small area.

People think that homeschool kids don't have an idea about 'social' stuff, but unless they're one themselves, they don't know the truth.

Side: home
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
0 points

Who pays for all these teams?

2\5 kids lives below poverty today. More than 75% are considered lower than middle class.

I'm not giving a thumbs up to one rich kid who's parents can hire their own gym teacher because they "say it's cool"

The future of America depends on more than 25% of the population being able to afford an education.

That means poor kids need to afford school.

That means "home school" is not a smart option for you if you are not rich.

And even if you are, who are you going to be friends with in college?

Side: public
4 points

Public Schools expose children to alternative ideas and methods of thinking as opposed to the single-track mind instilled in them by their parents since birth. Most public school kids also know how to handle and be around other people whereas a home schooled child usually has under-developed social skills.

Side: public
2 points

"Public Schools expose children to alternative ideas and methods of thinking as opposed to the single-track mind instilled in them by their parents since birth. Most public school kids also know how to handle and be around other people whereas a home schooled child usually has under-developed social skills."

Very true.

Side: public
3 points

It really depends on the situation, but I think that children should experience what it is like to be in a "real" situation. Most adults have to know how to spend time with other people and work with other people. Although the child may be able to spend time with other children, they still need to be able to actually work with others.

Side: public
1 point

There are many problems with the public school system, that's for sure, but I think the social environment of schools is very important.

Side: public
1 point

public school so mad got friends there but home school you get to do 2-3 hrs of work and then play games lol

Side: public
1 point

Public schools offer just one more important lesson than home schooling does, and it's a very important lesson, socialization. In order to function in society a kid has to learn how to socially interact with his/her peers, this is something that home schooling just doesn't teach.

Side: public
1 point

What good is your education if you cannot do anything creative with it and use it for the society. How will the World ever know how good you are at what you do and recruit you for public service?

Side: public

Easily public. The school system isn't just designed around academics. It's to make a well-rounded individual.

Side: public

I think a public school is better than home schooling because it is not pragmatic that a parent can teach all of the subjects to their children.

Side: Public
0 points

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC PUBLIC!!!!

lol i dunno that much i dont go to a public school and i dont get home schooled

Side: public
0 points

We should have a bunch of schools like Hogwarts send the brats off for nine months

Side: public
1 point

I would have to say home school because then children aren't exposed to the bad behavior I've dealt with in school and it would be specialized. I'm not saying taught by the parents though, I'm saying tutors or online. It's so much better and more rewarding towards the eduction to the child.

And I don't want the bad teachers that can't keep their opinions to themselves to brainwash any child. I want my children to get all the facts, without an outer opinion, so they can make their own mind on everything. I'm not going to force my anit-religion persona on my children, but I will give them all the facts from each side.

Side: home
Mahollinder(900) Disputed
7 points

I would have to say home school because then children aren't exposed to the bad behavior I've dealt with in school and it would be specialized.

Education isn't simply an academic process. Its pedagogy entails the proper raising of "good citizens" - in whatever manner that is defined. That education requires that people aren't raised to be naive: that they encountered wonders and villainy, have screwed up, and simply done all the correspondingly stupid nonsense that we normally associate with youth while they're actually young, can be protected and guided as properly as possible, inasmuch as anyone can.

And having screwed up,and done all the correspondingly stupid things that we normally associate with youth, they can grow up. But growing requires those kinds of experiences: digesting and ultimately surmounting them. Keeping children away from "bad behavior" often does leave them unprepared for an adulthood that will see them absolutely inundated with that kind of behavior at almost every turn. There's a reason why little girls who are overprotected by their fathers often end up becoming whores. They don't know how to appropriately deal with the stimuli that life presents. And when they finally encounter it, they get turned out.

And I don't want the bad teachers that can't keep their opinions to themselves to brainwash any child.

When one is educated, one tends to have opinions on things. But, to suggest that you just want your children to learn facts would ultimately undermine them. For example, Robert Francoise Damien was executed for trying to assassinate the King of France. That's a fact. But that fact alone tells your child nothing about why the death of Damien represents a contradiction of the Enlightenment. It also doesn't educate your child as to why the contradictions of the Enlightenment are an important lesson to learn. And your child will be ill-served, because many of those contradictions are present in modern society, and we need people who are able to analyze issues contextually so as to solve them. Your child would be less able to provide adequate solutions to human problems because all they got was a bunch of dates, names of people and other irrelevant stuff in school.

On a tangential point: all education is brainwashing or indoctrination. There is no difference. We educators give students information and punish them in various ways for not accepting that information. Having been punished academically, many of those students will then go on to be ostracized by society as whole. So, we make sure that they know everything we want them to know in the service of our needs. And we make damn certain that they think everything else is morally and intellectually wrong. A well educated person is simply someone who has been increasingly brainwashed over time, and in fewer, more concentrated subjects.

Side: public
1 point

I think there are other ways to expose children to the dangers of the world than putting them in the middle of a stupid high school fight and they get pepper sprayed just going to class.

And an average adult doesn't experience something like that on a daily basis.

You can teach without giving an opinion. You simply present the facts. An education isn't getting brainwashed, it's learning. Getting brainwashed is opinion based.

Side: public
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
1 point

An excellent post overall. I was, in fact, the product of an overly-cautious secondary education system that avoided discussing any topic that had the slightest possibility of controversy, and hence we ended up naming things and reciting chronologies more than anything :P

I don't quite agree with the final point though. Education at primary/secondary school often does consist of pure information-feeding with little room for dissent, a very unfortunate phenomenon. But the further you go up the academic ladder, the more wriggle room you have - the more you are not only allowed, but encouraged, to have unusual opinions. Education at the higher levels involves an opening up of narrow minds: the questioning of ideas that you took for granted, or ideas that you didn't even know existed, is the prerequisite to finding answers to such questions.

If you voice opinions contrary to mainstream beliefs, naturally you would encounter significant opposition. But this doesn't show that educated people stifle dissent; rather, it shows that the process of academic debate is working. If they didn't oppose your opinions, how would they test whether your theory is defensible, and how would you get the chance to refine it?

Of course, even the most educated people are prone to human errors like bias, favouritism, and stubbornness - sometimes they go beyond academic opposition and into personal enmity. If you propose a theory that opposes someone else's, don't be surprised if they don't like you anymore. If you propose a theory that opposes most other people's theories, don't be surprised if most people don't like you anymore. But this sort of behaviour is hardly an ideal of higher education; it's a fault and rightly recognised as such.

In other cases, apparent restrictions on academic freedom are not put into place by the academic community, but by government policy or public opinion. Take, for example, a piece of headline news from a few years back: A PhD student wrote a thesis on the Holocaust arguing that there were significantly fewer Jewish victims than conventional historians believe. He was awarded his doctorate, and kept it for years until the media uncovered this incident and stirred up tremendous public backlash, and the university had to rescind the degree. Notably, it was the general public - i.e. the generally less educated group - that reacted in favour of curtailing academic freedom. (Note that I'm not arguing in favour of Holocaust revisionism - I'm only raising this as a high-profile example.)

Heh, the very fact that I saw the need to include such a disclaimer shows how much pressure there is to conform, and be clearly seen to conform, to certain accepted statements like "6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust". But the pressure largely comes not from the highest educational echelon of society - while individual academics may feel strongly about this issue, academia in general doesn't pump out tract after tract of denunciations of the Holocaust. It is the popular media and the general public that repeat the ritual phrases "Holocaust denial", "offensive", "neo-Nazi", or "racist", and then these opinions seep into law when politicians seek to ingratiate the voters. In a university classroom, sitting among a dozen postgraduate history students, I wouldn't need to make a disclaimer; it'd be taken for granted that I'm making no comment about it, and that even if I were, it would be a comment that I could back up with sound argument. But in a public forum frequented by people of varying educational backgrounds I cannot assume this.

Educated people, in general, cherish the freedom to argue for any position they like as long as their argument is rational and supported by evidence. The curtailment of this freedom is usually caused by a lack of education: either a loss of rationality on the part of an individual who is so passionate about his theory that he cannot accept opposition, or the submission of the highly educated to the less educated when public opinion prevails.

Side: home
1 point

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Side: home

If I had to choose between public or home school, I would choose home school.

Side: home
1 point

I'm a homeschool student and there's no doubt that homeschooling is better.

I was never extended at the public school I went to, so when I started being homeschooled, I just shot through the roof. I have learnt so much!

People think that when you're homeschooled, you don't talk to people much. Honestly, it's hard to stop going to see people. There are so many other homeschool kids, and the thing is, they're actually NICE! They are so polite and friendly. The nicest kids in the world are definitely the homeschooled ones.

If there's anyone out there thinking about homeschooling, my advice is to do it. I am now way smarter than I ever was, and I have heaps of lovely friends. I can't believe that anyone would have any doubt!

Side: home
1 point

This I coming from a guy who has been a part of both. ( homeschooling and public) I would say that both have ups and downs. For those of u who say that home schoolers don't know how to socialize u are wrong all the time their not in school they are doing something with friends. And for those of u saying that the kid's teachers are their parents' now a days most home schoolers parents don't teach their kids but use online classes or other ways.

Side: home
1 point

you can learn much more when homeschooling - if you're back on school work, it really helps you keep up. Also, you have undivided attention, so you can check your mistakes in the most correct way.

Side: home
1 point

Public School VS. Home School

The schooling system has never been designed for human intellectual nor physical cultivation. Rather, it is structured for obedience, conformity, forcibly imposing certain narratives & habits/methods of operation on young impressionable minds while squelching competing ideas and the fundamental capacity/power of independent human ingenuity.

Home school your kids, preferably. If not, do not allow them to think anything important is going on--trust your own mind over all others.

Side: Home
1 point

The schooling system has never been designed for human intellectual nor physical cultivation.

The schooling system has taught me the correct use of English, which is evidently more than it has done for yourself. For example, including the word "cultivation" as a noun instead of a verb is erroneous to the point that it makes your sentence incoherent. Of course the schooling system is not designed for "physical cultivation" because that's the practice of rearing food crops.

I think the fact of the matter is that you have to keep telling yourself education is for dummies because it's the only framework in which your own belief system that you are an intelligent person is able to exist.

Side: Public
xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
1 point

@BurritoLunch .

Chomsky on Schooling
Side: Public
1 point

Now, as far as socialization, this is perhaps the greatest myth that keeps parents sending their children to schools. First, it is based on a faulty view of healthy human social relations, and the desire for popularity. That is, quantity is no replacement for quality--in fact, it is overwhelmingly in stark contradiction. If a person has a tight family unit, and a small group of healthy, trusted friends, that is night and day with being placed inside of a unstable, unhinged, hostile, deranged, uncontrollable human zoo environment that will inevitably infiltrate the child's psyche & physical state, to varying degrees.

As far as homeschooling, that, of course, would depend upon the morals, principles, and general competency of the parents.

Side: Home
1 point

If teachers encouraged children to think independently & creatively, they would surpass the master inside of 30 seconds.

Children Solve Obi Wan's Research Project Instantly
Side: Home