Questions for Christians
No that is exactly my point. Christ's New Testament is about loving thy neighbor as well as God being loving, whereas the Old Testament is full of fire and brimstone and fear. So how is it all these Christians on this site post constantly hate and try to stoke fear? Why is it they use religion as a blunt object to bludgeon instead of as a happy message of love?
They do it because they completely missed the true message and example set by Christ.
By the way, look up sarcasm sometime.
Jesus said unless your righteousness exceeds that of scribes
Law condemns because if you live by the law and break any
the whole Law, the Law judges you, with your consciece bearing witness against you. With the accuser of the brethern accusing
like scoffing crowd declaring the light an enemy disclosing
darkness within us. Thus holding us, binding us to the flesh, enslaved to obey desires, and held captive in darkness till
Law was written in Adam's conscience at his Creation.
But, Knowledge Condemning Conscience didn't exist till after
knowledge of good and evil entered through Deception and from Disobedience. Then evil came into bear fruit of thistles and thorns After serpent decieved, then beyond that taking root of sin through disobedience. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field; (two men in the field, one taken and one left, ... where Lord? Where the body is the vultures are gathered. - the body is following flesh to death, or be grain of wheat falls to ground and die, bears fruit)
Now, both seeds grew in them. God says
Seeds then growing on ground are seeds of darkness and light. Choosing one or the other. Then not only obey or disobey but
now seed of darkness is growing and the accuser condemning
us according to our consciences.
Jesus did a few things when He came to us.
When Jesus took on humanity as fully the Nature of God and fully the nature of man, He overcame all things in every way, mastering His human nature making it in complete subjection to the Nature of God.
God came down as the Son, to be the 1st of many to bring forth children of God, and of the not of the nature of Adam or even the body of Adam, but transform or human bodies into bodies like Jesus, into not only the image of God, but to share and partake OF AN inheritance of being transformed into the Nature of God, not just the image of God.
So Jesus, "the Son of man, and the Son of God, went before us and Ripped out all the thorns and thistles that were in the way, Making the "narrow way" which IS the ONLY WAY, Straight - Not a Crooked Path, to Transform Us, and Transfer Us, from our Human Nature through His cleared path to all who believe on Him, and follow Him, so we can be "called children of God, and "partake in His Nature.
If you look at Genesis 3 He says - To the woman He said,
“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.”
Because of allowing herself to be decieved - it was already going to be pain to birth Seed into the transforming God was going to do,
but now it is multiplied
And now you will have to wait for the Bridegroom.
While to the 1st Adam to be transformed, he will fight through the cursed ground to be transformed into our Heavenly bodies.
So it had to happen through transformation from our human nature made in the Image of God, to the Nature of God as a gift of adoption in order for us to share in His inheritance.
But the struggle of the curses put on the serpant - on belly creating an appetite to feed on the lusts and of eating dust and enmity with seed and woman. And curses on the ground toil thorns thistles struggle and then death. With these curses that entered the world our transformation has these added dynamics.
And I'm not sure of the how without sin in the world, but I do know the mystery of God from the beginning was to change us from an Image of God to partake in a Heavenly Body as Jesus brought forth sons that are image of the Son.
29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren
And 1 Corinthians 15
35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there
is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last
Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy,
so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also
are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image
of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
Making us, mere children of flesh, to become children of God.
So Jesus is the 1st of many brethern (or sisteren, lol) to walk through our nature into the nature of God! For us to pick up our cross and follow the path. He says it's a narrow road to Eternal
Life, where as the road to sin and death is a highway.
Jesus led a life leaving His position of God, to be made for a little while lower than the Angels. So God's the Son who is and always was the nature of the Father, humbled himself as a man like us, to overcome all things, to then be delivered in His innocence as the spotless lamb, the blood sacrifice once and for all, who became
the innocent Lamb, cursed for us on a tree, on which our every judgement fell.
Then raised from the dead, He overcome both sin, judgement, and death that we ourselves couldn't separate or sever in our own human nature, which it's struggles in toil with thorns and thistles, and our dust to dust death. To give us rest, The Holy Spirit imparted to all who are Born Again through this path, "The Way, The Truth, And The Life," that Jesus made for us.
Foil7 understanding of the Bible isn't trustworthy. The scripture he is referring to is Genesis 38:9-10 (And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.) In the time of this event the rules were. If your brother died without having a son you were to marry his widow and raise up an heir in his brother's name. Onan wanted to have sex with Tamar but didn't want to fulfill his duties as a brother.
anything involving turning away from God's directive of leaving selfishness behind, opens one to fleshly weakness turns you into a slave of sin why would you go back ? we're here already dying from the time we're born into sin. why would you take off your hands off the steering wheel and head straight into wall
Actually, Jesus was a Marxist. He didn't call for government redistribution, he called for social responsibility:
"Acts 4:32–35: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need."
Jesus was not a socialist. There is one socialist described in the Bible and it's not Jesus.
From John 12:.....
3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. son, which should betray him,'>4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Socialists want to control the money because they are thieves. They do not produce anything, just try to control what is produced so they can steal from it.
I'm not for sure of Bill Gates beliefs. Neither can anyone before judgment day determine whether he will go to Earth, Heaven or Hell. As for his donations no one can buy themselves into Heaven. Understand this God is life. If atheist don't believe in God how can they believe in Heaven and Hell. And if this be so why be concerned with where he will end up.
Would you like me to respond with "that's a dumb answer"? Or are we going to move passed unwarranted opinions about what others post as their response?
I also do not care about any other thread. This particular thread welcomed questions for Christians, where Christians would then respond with their answer here. You haven't really answered the question if you say "the answer is at this other place." The goal is to bring the answer here.
But I suppose my wording was a bit more demanding of evidence than I had intended. Let me rephrase,
How have you been convinced that Christianity is right -- knowing that other belief systems also call for non-believers not to be deserving of paradise? Why take that wager? And if it's not seen as a wager, what has convinced you otherwise?
There is only one truth, you should be convinced of that Truth, and also it should have witnesses of truth
So Christianity has a Cloud of Witnesses.
.You have the writings of Old and New
.The Word is a Witness of itself
.Confirmed through prophesies that have come true
.Wisdom bearing witness confirming validity with
sound reasoning in, to, and for every age
.Eye witness accounts confirm the writings
.Confirming one writing is true by writings of another, and also other documentations found declare validity, even if in contradiction. Because it still shows its historical validity
.Through the Word being One, even though the Word is written by many
.Showing the Oneness of the Author
.The diligence of Commands regarding the Word, watching over it for handed down accuracy, that is specific and determined
.The writings confirm themselves, if not all through findings of man, which many have been found and have confirmed, but also through the unfolding documentations revealed, as Time progresses
.Can be followed from looking forward - Genesis to Revelations, with the football handed down in an exact planned method
.The progress through time would require planning things out of any humans ability to plan as detailed and precisly, as it followed as described and foretold
.Performing with known results as pre-determined as science - Making every movement within time, as sure as cause and effect with an outcome as sure as if you throw a glass and it forcefully hits a ceramic floor, it will break
.Who What When and Where are described and foretold. So, in essence, if you follow the football from looking from the beginning foreward, it's even a greater feet than Creation itself
.Every scheduled appointed time, produced the unfolded events and end results intended
.And continues through a course of 6000 years to be passed as light to light is revealed
.John the Baptist bearing witness of Jesus
.and Jesus bearing Witness of the foretold Messiah
.Eye Witnesses to Jesus
.The Spirit also bearing witness
.The blood of Martyrs bearing witness
.And the Testimony of those washed and changed by the Blood
and the Word and The Spirit bear witness of all these!
Jesus is the word of God. The Holy Spirit is God's spirit. I love God he is all I have. I would die for my faith. Listen to these commandment. Matthew 5:44 "But I say unto you Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." See it is not just because of my faith that I wouldn't leave Jesus it's also because what he says is the truth. Listen to these comforting words. Romans 8:35-39 "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, for thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor Angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor heights, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus are three forms of one great being. Jesus is/was the physical embodiment of the word of God. The Holy Spirit is the metaphysical word of God. The Holy Spirit comes to give people guidance and of course share the word. God is the word. He is the creator and sculptor of mankind and the universe.
Of course. One could one day find evidence that just completely makes Christianity void and null. Until then I'll remain a Christian.
Your question took a lot of thought. In the garden of Eden the serpent beguiled Eve by convincing her that she could be as God.
To question him is just being human and everyone does it even though we are out of place. But to think we can make better decisions than he can I will not do. I believe that God's rewards and punishments are right and just. But we can down size your question. Let us say you created A.I. It decided one day that you didn't create it and it didn't have to follow the rules you put in it. It started behaving against you even denied your existence. Started destroying all of your other creations. How long would you allow it to oppose you?
People end up in Hell because they want a reality where nothing good is from God, they deny God is good so they reject all of His goodness. The everlasting consuming fire of Hell where dying is never finished is the reality void of God's goodness which people who do not believe in God asked for, and God gave it to them becaue He loves them and gives them what they really want, a reality void of any indication of God's goodness, the same reality you want now when ou say you do not believe in God.......and you are going to get it if you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
"Then he formed living thing from the things he created."
So the "things" needed for creation were HERE. They were "used" to create life. If they were here, why is it impossible for natural functions and reactions to "bring them together?", and "create life" and for it to "evolve" naturally?? (i.e., evolution)
If we bring certain chemicals together we get a reaction, If we bring certain minerals together, we get other reactions. "God" doesn't do this, it is the natural function of the chemicals and minerals. Bring the right ones together and VOILA .... LIFE!
Who made God: God was not made he has always existed. If you really give this some thought you will understand. Take for instance the Big Bang theory. Those that believe that. Ask them what happened before that, and before that, and before that, and before that, and before that. You get where I'm going. God has no age he is eternal no beginning or end.
For "something" to exist, it must have a place to exist. Where did this "place" come from? What reason did "it" have to exist?
I say "GOD" never existed except in the imagination and fears (of everything not understood) of man. The "concept" that everything MUST have a "beginning" is a human concept, just like this "GOD". Did you ever think that maybe BOTH concepts were wrong? There are many thing STILL not understood.
If this "GOD" created the universe, why is he still creating it ...light years from us? If he "created" every rock in the Asteroid Belt, why? Why does he constantly "create", then destroy, planets hundreds of times larger than Earth .... after which he must have rested for MONTHS, "after his great work".
We can't conceive of something that exists without a beginning ... except this "GOD" (some of us). I say, if HE can exist without a beginning, as WE conceive it, the universe can.
So in answer because we can only theorise before the Big Bang therefore it cannot be true yet without any evidence whatsoever you are asking people to believe in a mythical being that has existed "forever" and that should be accepted as being true
Do any believers in God ever ask themselves any questions about
Religion and try to explain it
It's seems to be the answer is always " it just is " whenever a question is asked or "your all going to hell" yet if there is no God then there is no hell
I personally think the church should concentrate on the good work that it does for its fellow man and leave the non existent God out of the equation
My question to you sir is for you to please give me ONE example or current situation, place, occurrence, person, thing, SOMETHING!! that we can see today on this entire planet that is proof there is a god.And that we are not here simply out of blind chance, through Evolution, and adhere to the laws of physics and reason and randomness like all us atheists say.
Show me ONE instance of why the world we live in can NOT be as we atheists say, but is instead governed by a personal deity who listens to prayers and cares about you.
God is not made or He would not be God...I think you know that, you just want to ask stupid questions as if stupidity is unanswerable.
Being made in the image of God means we have powers of reason, mobility, creativity (imagination and practical application), communication, and the ability to bring other creatures, children, like ourselves, into existence.
I don't know why I'm bothering to answer you........you probably don't care if you are on your way to Hell and don't care if God loves you or not, and do not appreciate that He made you in His own image and values you (and all other people, all individually) above anything else in Creation.
It was spoken before it was written. fact: The Christian bible is the most published literature in history. The reason is God said his word will reach everyone. Bibles are even being air dropped into North Korea one of the most isolated countries in the world. God said in the ladder days he will write his laws in our hearts and minds. This is why you see a lot of non believers writing about loving one another. Writing God's word down doesn't make it more true it allows it to reach more people. You already know the truth the hard part is submitting to it.
If a man has a son, that child is in essence the same as the man. The child is a sinner the same as his father. Jesus never sinned because God cannot sin. Jesus is God the same as God the Father is God. They are one, and the Holy Spirit is with them, these three are One. God took on Himself the form of a man when He was conceived by the Spirit of God, the Son of God sent by the Father conceived in human form, God the man, the Son of God, the Son of Man. We are sinners. God Himself died in our place and paid for our sins so we can be forgiven by Him in His resurrection.
Anybody whose father is a man, is no more than a man and is not God. Jesus, whose Father is God, is God, the Son of God. People come from people, God the Son came down from Heaven. God is our Savior, Jesus Christ is His name. There is no other Savior.
Only God is perfect, nobody whose father is a man is perfect but rather they are like their fathers, imperfect and dying due to their imperfection. Jesus is perfect, He is God.
People want to imply He was only a man because if they believe He is who He said He is, God in person, that means He has authority over them and they don't want God telling them what to do or what not to do so they reject His authority and hope to escape in death.
Because the devil, when he was called Lucifer, was greater and higher in position than all or most of the other angels (only Michael and Gabriel are mentioned as possibly being equal or near Lucifer's greatness and position), he decided the lower angels should admire and serve Him. Instead of leading them to serve and honor only God who deserves it for creating them and giving them free will, he led them to serve himself as he sought to set himself up as the king of creation. He had become proud of himself and wanted lower angels to admire him, rather than to direct their admiration correctly to God who gave Lucifer whatever measure of greatness he had. The greatness of Lucifer was an illustration by God of His own greatness, and Lucifer wanted the lower angels to praise him instead of God who created them. He led them to serve him by force and by manipulation, and God finally spoke His objection and spelled out Satan's (formerly known as Lucifer, now his name was changed meaning "adversary") error of rebellion as well as the punishment he would receive. Lucifer's scheme was to take over God's throne and set himself up as God. For some reason he got it in his head that it was better to be the one in power being served, instead of being one under a higher power .........the only problem with that is God owns everything He made and Satan does not have the right to disenfranchise God. Because God is good he will not allow unrighteousness to go unpunished. Satan is doomed.
The ceremonial law was fulfilled by Jesus as the final sacrifice for our sins, God Himself became the sacrificial Lamb to pay for our sins.
The moral law has not changed.
Societal law governs our society. We abide by the laws of our nation as long as those laws do not compel us to do things denying God the Savior, Jesus Christ.
That is a general answer, to a very vague question. You probably have a list of laws God gave to the Jews after He brought them out of Egypt which you really don't want to understand, you really don't want the answer to your question.
You are correct, God is unchanging. We follow all commandments from God, except the one Jesus upgraded or clarified. Some of the rules Israel was under were temporal. Example: Israel in the Old Testament had to offer sacrifices for the sins of the people. In the old testament Psalms 40:6 (“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require. Then I said, “Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book it is written of me. I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”) You see God gave them temporary laws to obey until he sent our Saviour.
I'm a biologist.
So...if there were indeed a perfect and omniscient creator, why would he feel it necessary to create no less than 2.5 Million species of insects in the Amazon Rain Forest alone?
As well as millions of different varieties of beetlles?
Also..why all of our junk DNA? Fully one quarter or our Genome coding is useless. Serving no purpose? Lots of replication, lots of broken and incomplete strands.
That are what one would expect to see exactly if we in fact evolved and adapted to our environ!ents over epochs of time?
Why if evolution is not real and God is perfect, are WE not perfect? Subject to disease and deterioration? Why is the human eye and optical nerve installed backwards? That is, insofar as optimal efficacy is concerned? Why is it exactly as it would be had it evolved from being originally only a light sensitive patch of cells?
I can provide links and sources for all these facts, btw.
Congrats on being a Biologist. Are your questions really for Christians? They look like they should be for a Biologist. Or are they an attempt to prove God doesn't exist? If you read your questions, even if they could be answered what does that prove? Are you saying there shouldn't be 2.5 million species of insects or there should be more or this is evidence that insects created themselves? I have never been able to answer any of your question to you satisfaction but I'll try to again because I like you. I believe you will become a Christian one day. The only question I'm capable of answering is the question pertaining to perfect. Man was created perfect. Imperfection came to man when we started moving away from God's commandments. The moment we sinned is when we started to deteriorate. As for the eye part. Maybe your eyes are installed backwards but mine are perfectly fine, I have no complaints.
My questions were posed for believers in a perfect creator and for Christians who deny evolution. Which, if perfection and balance in nature were the goals of said God, then he failed miserable with the natural world, where there is tremendous waste. Not to mention the painful and torturous death every single minute of every day for millions of animals.
Did they too fall from Grace?
Speaking of the Fall, you said we were once perfect? Despite how I explained that the homo sapien body is flawed.
So are you claiming Adam and Eve were physiologically different from us? With no junk DNA and backward optical nerves and vestigial traits leftover from evolution? Like you and I have?
Please tell me you are also not a young earther.
Many biologists reject evolution and BYA, the reasons and all of the answers for your questions which you propose as supports for evolution can be found at sites like this: https://answersingenesis.org/
this is one of the best known science sites against evolution. There are many more. You don't have to believe in evolution to find answers for your questions, there are much simpler and much more science based answers than answers which depend on belief in evolution. Rejecting evolutionary belief in no way hinders or limits scientific discovery and application of science.......but if you realize evolution is a lie and you admit it publicly, you will lose most or all of your friends at school.
Do the research for yourself, look at the science against evolution....only one indisputable fact scientifically observable and repeatable which shows BYA or evolution cannot be real in light of that fact proves the "theory" of evolution is nothing but a hypothesis believed by choice denying facts of reality. I have tried to show you many of these things which disprove evolution, but it seems you just disappear when the facts are presented plainly in posts here.....if you will take the challenge and study for yourself, you will see that evolution is not possible, has never happened, and will never happen.......and the same for BYA hypothesis.
People who support BYA and evolution insert beliefs as facts and then accept only facts which can be interpreted in support of those beliefs, no matter that the facts can be explained other ways which are contrary to BYA and evolution.
I always study both sides of the argument when things like Red Shift and decay of radioactive isotopes or whatever the latest argument is........oh yeah, junk DNA too, they tried to convince me that was one of the proofs of evolution in Biology class, it is not. I am not much for discipline study to write things down so I can recite all the facts forever, I prefer cramming for tests and assignments at the last minute and get A's easily, then I forget the rigorous structured details but retain the basic facts. Evolutionists generally only look at things one way and that way must conform to their beliefs so facts which are contradictory or different ways of looking at the facts are ignored.
most of the biological arguments you present are things I studied both sides of before the internet was invented.....and after evolution had been pumped into me for decades through television and public schools and all the science mags and books I used to read. The arguments supporting intelligent design and young earth are much simpler, much more logical, and neglect or ignore no scientific facts.
Here's a video for you.......maybe you sat in class under this PhD when he was a professor of Biology at Tulane University and Medical School, or when he was dean of the graduate school.......Dr. Lungsden (not sure the name is spelled correctily) studied at Tulane, Harvard, and Rice. He used the same arguments as Dawkins and taught them to his students....and correct me if I'm wrong, but the man seems to me to be much more accomplished in education than Dawkins.
This seven minute video is him telling of his work and experience with science.
There are many similar scientists and professors I could show, but I like this one the best of all I've watched so far, and I hope you appreciate it.
And here's another one from one of the leading chemical evolutionary theorists in the world during the sixties and seventies. His famous contribution to evolutionary theory was "chemical predestination", or "biochemical predestination", and was co-author of the book "biochemical predestination". Many evolutionary biologists and scientists embraced his ideas. His book over the next twenty years was a bestselling text on the theory of chemical evolution. Maybe you have seen it or read it. The author is now professor of biology (emeritus) at San Francisco State University.
I do believe Saintnow is right about you using rhetoric. I will answer your question anyway. Jesus saves! He saves those who lived before he took human form, during and after. The authors of the Old Testament (Moses, David, etc) wrote of Jesus in many of there writings. They understood that there teaching are intended to lead those who trust in them to Christ Jesus. If you had a little understanding of the scriptures you would know that those who followed God's word don't end up in purgatory or hell. You ask what happened to them. The scripture teaches us that those who die on earth before judgment day either are sleep (unconscious), in heaven (some will never taste death) or in hell. All awaiting judgment day. For all shall appear before the judgment seat of Christ.
There is no reason to think inherent rhetoric can make a question more difficult to answer. In fact, my question was pretty straightforward. Even if it did contain implicit statements.
Also, you completely missed the point of my question. I wasn't asking about Moses and David, but rather about the "e.t.c.". Those people who added a huge amount of (presumably) Jewish fairy tales to a divine text. And also about those people who later canonized the whole book and marked it as "holy". Which it definitely isn't, if we talk about the book in its entirety.
I would consider it as an offense against God, when somebody attributes obviously self -contradictory qualities to Him. Most of those stupid tales have nothing to do with Yahweh.
What is an argument to believe in the Christian god over other gods?
What I mean is you often hear a religous argument concerning cosmology or something that some believers think supports there existing in some way a powerful deity...but this deity is not necessarily by those arguments the Christian god.
Same can be said for other arguments like Pacals wager.
Often times when one ventures in to prove there is a god they are not discussing a Christian god but some generic idea of a god.
So what is an argument for Christianity specifically.