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 Reasons why Islam is not the Religion of Peace (20)

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Reasons why Islam is not the Religion of Peace

Jihad may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms.
Jihad may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions - a holy war.
A woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors. New owners.
Slavery is allowed.
A male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls.
Slaves may be beaten.
Apostasy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves Islam. Which is an apostate.
Blasphemy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam or Muhammad.

Why does the Progressive / Left support a religion that does not have the views of the Progressive / Left ?

 


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I am a socialists, and I support religious liberty, not radical Islamists or any kind of terrorists or terror organization, no matter which religious background they may come from.

outlaw60(15368) Clarified
2 points

Progressives don't support religious liberty but they do support Radical Islamist.

Check out Barack Obama and his views on religion your statement will debunked.

shoutoutloud(4303) Clarified
1 point

I cant speak for progressives, Obama or his supporters.

I can only speak for me and the socialist views.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Over 98% of all the world's Muslims are peaceable.

And as far as violence and loathsome acts are concerned, well, there is nothing more blood-soaked and repulsive than some of those Bible verses.

You know...like these lovely little gems!

Murder in the Bible

The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God’s irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

AlofRI(3294) Disputed
1 point

Obama and U.S. progressives support religious freedom, as in the Constitution. We DO NOT SUPPORT religious radicalism IN ANY FORM! Especially any form that goes against said Constitution. Any Islamic function that goes against American law is ILLEGAL, as would be any radical Christian idiocy.

I see NO Barack Obama view that would "debunk" this. Only your blind religious hatred could see things that don't exist, and you have to look deep into your twisted mind to find them!

2 points

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Muslims do not assemble peacefully, they assemble to talk about killing Jews, death to America, the great Satan and the Little Satan in Muslim's twisted brains, and killing Christians.

Moderate Muslims do not make the rules for Islam. Islam is nothing but murder the Jews and Christians (and atheists and sodomites of course) and conquer the world by any means. They are pushing for a world wide blood bath as they believe it is needed to usher in their Moozie Messiah and they are going to get that world wide blood bath soon...hopefully after the Lord takes me out of this world. You can have this world...as long as you can keep it.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

You don't even understand Christians. Why would I listen to you about Muslims?

2 points

Over 98% of all the world's Muslims are peaceable.

And as far as violence and loathsome acts are concerned, well, there is nothing more blood-soaked and repulsive than some of those Bible verses.

You know...like these lovely little gems!

Murder in the Bible

The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God’s irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

This kind of stuff only shows your ignorance of the Bible.

FUNMUN(127) Disputed
1 point

Should people even be in this debate if they haven't read the koran?

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

There are two kinds of violence, one is evil and the other is judgement against evil. Judgement against evil is good. God had specific reasons explained in the Bible for ever time He commanded violent judgement be executed. And the stuff Slappy is taking out of context in his ignorance copy and pasted from some stupid militant atheist website is Old Testament under Jewish Law for the Jews. When the Jews fell captive to other nations they were to obey the laws of those nations as long as they were not laws demanding worshiping gods that are not God.

Why in the world do people make these stupid arguments like this militant atheist garbage taken out of context from the Bible, and put them up like they know what they are talking about? This is what the public schools have done, made a bunch of robots who don't know how to think for themselves, teaching them to scream louder so they won't hear anybody telling them how duped they are.

i dont think the left does support islam, or any religion .the left supports ones right to practice any religion you wish .if you commit a crime though, in the name of religion or not, you should go to jail .

2 points

You will not be able to get Republicans to understand that.

WhatIsDaAuck(274) Clarified
1 point

perhaps you are right .but i will still try .anyway, their failure to understand should be held against them .

1 point

This is a faulty argument. This is "picking and choosing" certain aspects of a religion to fit an argument. There are "violent" aspects of the Bible and Torah etc. that talk about al ack of tolerance towards non-believers, but because the religion has been politicized due to being made a "state religion" in many Arab countries, it has been skewed and the messages completely warped.

What's more, to say that acts of violence in the name of religion are exclusive to Islam is unbelievably closed-minded. For example, have you ever heard of "The Crusades"......."The Holocuast" ?

1 point

There are no modern day parallels; there are no Christian theocracies, but there are many Islamic theocracies in the Mid East that govern under Sharia Law. They punish for apostasy, blasphemy, gays, adultery, unmarried sex and more as per Sharia Law which enforces the commands of Mohammad. Also, they issue fatwas (hits) on people who insult their religion. Think Salman Rushdie and Satanic Verses.

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

There are two kinds of violence, one is evil and the other is judgement against evil. Judgement against evil is good. God had specific reasons explained in the Bible for ever time He commanded violent judgement be executed. And the stuff Slappy is taking out of context in his ignorance copy and pasted from some stupid militant atheist website is Old Testament under Jewish Law for the Jews. When the Jews fell captive to other nations they were to obey the laws of those nations as long as they were not laws demanding worshiping gods that are not God.

As for the Crusades, they were carried out by Catholics who killed real Bible believing Christians like me and they fought against Muslims who were trying to conquer Europe and it's a good thing they stopped them. Now they're infiltrating as immigrants and refugees, establishing exclusive areas where militant Islam will fester and grow. Brexit was largely in response to the idiocy of countries allowing Muslims to bring their evil ways to the west.

It was only 7 percent of Germans who stirred up the Nazis for war, and Muslims operate the same way growing apparently peacefully in number with a small percentage rising to power and making the rules. And Hitler was deep into the occult.

It's silly to try to compare Christians to Muslims based on Old Testament Law of Israel or based on the Crusades. And if you think Hitler was a Christian, you're nuts. Yes he was in bed with Catholics as Catholics hoped to be the world religion under Hitler's regime. Catholicism is paganism laced with Biblical names and changes the definitions of words from the Bible to fit it's dogma.

Why in the world do people make these stupid arguments and put them up like they know what they are talking about? This is what the public schools have done, made a bunch of robots who don't know how to think for themselves, teaching them to scream louder so they won't hear anybody telling them how duped they are.

1 point

Islam is a religion that is foundationally opposite. The more ferverent the more literal, the more violent.

The reason, two prespectives, Gods and theirs:

In their mind they execute "Allahs" judgement.

And force Allah and Mohommad in Islam by force, not free will.

Enslaved forcefully to their religion in harsh conditions even deceitful conditions, and under foot destruction and desolation. They even leave their own countries in desolation and raise their children in death and sorrow and violence. It was violence that brought the Great Flood, right?

In Gods mind they are instruments of wrath, they are under the judged one Satan, subjects of wrath, vessels chosen for dishonor. They are the bang from the gavel in the hand of the judge, the bang of judgement executing judgment with the army under the fallen angel who was already judged.

See Ezek chapters 38 and 39.

They are lead by fishhooks in their mouths!

So as the most violent is orthodox and the moderate are appostate.

Which is opposite Christianity. The more ferverent the more literal, the more love and peace and the more mercy.

The more orthodox the more His Kingdom principles reign.

And the more appostate the creep toward violence.

Two separate Gods, two separate purposes, two separate destinations. Muslims need to come to Jesus Allah is Satan!

1 point

Adolf Hitler was a Catholic...........................................................