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Bible Is True - vs. - Bible Is False

 

Is the Bible true? Did the Resurrection happen?

 

I believe the Bible is true, and that the Resurrection happened, but I thought it would be interesting to see other people's belief's and would be interesting to debate. Laughing

Bible Is True

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Bible Is False

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14 points

The bible is in fact 100% accurate, especially when thrown at close range.

Side: Bible Is True
5 points

My first thought is I can't believe you said that. My reaction, i laugh, then ask for forgiveness.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

......................................Okay......... you win the debate. Hands down.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

you win. debate over. hands down, you are the best!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

Give up.

You win.

We all lose.

Side: Bible Is True

LOL that is what its good for i guess. The bible has "SOME" truth to it but not entirely...

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Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

That's funny. Well played.

However, the same accuracy could be claimed while throwing any book at close range, which means either they're all true or they're all no better than kindling.

Side: Bible Is False
9 points

The Bible is the inspired work of God. It is up to you if you believe it or not, but there is evidence.

1) Mount Sinai was found in the exact same place as described in the bible.

2) The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.

3) Dr. Nelson Glueck, probably the greatest modern authority on Israeli archeology, has said: And I quote

"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."

4)The remarkable structure of the Bible should also be stressed. Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

Yes some of these are copied but I wholly believe them as do many other people!!

Side: Bible Is True
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
7 points

The Bible is the inspired work of God.

So you believe

It is up to you if you believe it or not, but there is evidence.

belief isnt a voluntary act i can control. You or someone else must convince me.

1) Mount Sinai was found in the exact same place as described in the bible.

London was found in the exact same place mentioned in Harry Potter. your point? Ancient people saw a mountain and wrote it down. if you wanna argue about historical places in the bible ill let you win. They existed. doesnt make anything else in the bible true

2) The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.

What no examples? Not that it matters. Again, this is useless. I can write a story in which the main character dies while fighting a dragon lets say. Then i can flip back to the beginning and write in a part where the main character goes to a gypsy who tells him he will die by a dragon. The prophecy was written in to be fullfilled but none of them can actually be proven. Stories are stories not proof. And the biggest one of all was the prediction of jesus's coming right? The whole suffering servant argument? Well no, the suffering servant was the nation of Israel and it says that like 3 sentances later. Thats the biggest prophecy in the bible and its a sham.

3) Dr. Nelson Glueck, probably the greatest modern authority on Israeli archeology, has said: And I quote

"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."

1) but have they successfully excavated or found everything in the bible? no. Only the things theyve looked for have they found such as mountains or cities. Whoopie do, we already knew they existed.

2) again, archaeological digs finding little tidbits from the bible dont prove the supernatural elements. these arguments get you nowhere.

3) on a sidenote, i wonder why youre all so ready to accept THESE archaeological findings but you DONT accept all the hominid fossils supporting evolution that we have found the exact same way. hmmm....

4)The remarkable structure of the Bible should also be stressed.

Why? a books condition says nothing about the truth of its contents. Homers: the odyssey and the Iliad are in remarkable condition and have been expertly preserved and nobody is suggesting those are true

Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years,

more like 400 authors and thats not accounting for the hundreds of scribes who had to copy it by hand thus leaving it open for alterations as well as translators.

it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

No it isnt. its many books about the same topic. There are hundreds of books about dogs, does that mean all of them are one book? No. Different books. same general story. Which is to be expected considering how big the religion is.

As for the consistency part thats a downright lie. The bible is riddled with contradictions whether inside individual books or between multiple books.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

Yes some of these are copied but I wholly believe them as do many other people!!

Theyre all copied. ive heard these same tired arguments a million times as most atheists have. Thats because theres no new arguments from theists. There hasnt been a new argument in ages. You just recycle the same crap back at us over and over. Do yourself a favor and read some arguments from the opposing side and youll see just how weak these arguments are. Just because some big wig apologist told it to you or you read it in a book doesnt make it true

Side: Bible Is False
TheThinker(1713) Disputed
3 points

Yo dawg, Harry Potter is REAL!!!!!!

Side: Bible Is True
tejasss007(3) Disputed
6 points

Factual descriptions don't certify that the supenatural events mentioned in them are true. A Geography textbook too is factual and true...but adding a statement that someone was resurrected doesn't make that statement true.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
6 points

Dr. Nelson Glueck

He is a rabbi, he is not an independent source of information. He will definitely see what he wants to see.

it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

If that were true, why are there different numbers reported in different versions of the same story. Different writers had slight differences in what they said in the Bible. How is that perfect?

Side: Bible Is False
2 points

Like Warren said. "The Bible is the inspired work of God." I fully believe that the Bible is true, and that it is not not some fantasy book, written millions of years ago.

Side: Bible Is True
3 points

The people that believe the bible is not true do not think it was written millions of years ago. But your profile says you're a 12 year old boy named Madeline, so I guess everyone should cut you a little slack, eh?

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7 points

The bible is true. Jesus did resurrect and still lives. :)

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Intangible(4933) Disputed
2 points

I'm guessing that you saw him do this?

I could write a story book and say that all of it is a true part of history, and then get a large amount of people to agree with me, but does that mean it's true?

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6 points

The Resurrection Happened, and the Bible is true. There's so much evidence. For one, the Bible is the inspired word of God, and is completely reliable.

Side: Bible Is True
7 points

If the "big bang" is what started this world how do you explain all the beauty in everything around you? If what the Bible tells us is true (and it is) A marvelous God created this world and he did it wonderfully!

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5 points

Yup! Just our universe tells us that there's an intelligent designer!

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trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
3 points

Or the big bang lines up with the days of creation

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Dermot(5453) Disputed
3 points

Nonsense and you don't believe it either as I asked Joel if you believe try this test ... Bet you won't ...According to Mark 16:17-18, true believers can drink poison and handle snakes with no ill effects: And these signs will accompany those who believe: ..... But you don't truly believe do you ?

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AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
3 points

Its impossible for a natural occurance to create beauty? Do you think flowers are beautiful? God doesnt bloom every flower. We know exactly how plants grow. Photosynthesis and all kinds of other scientific and natural processes allow flowers to open up their pedals in vibrant colors. We can even control them to produce different flowers with different colors. We can breed them to make new species too. Its all science. no god required. Why would the universe be any different? And if you cant see the beauty in science, physics, space, ect. you live a sad and empty life. I see beauty more deeply than just "Durrr the flower is red, duuurrrrr". i see the red, but i know why its red (the pedals absorb all colors but red so it reflects it back into your eyes), and i see the photosynthesis occuring as light feeds the plant and it syphens water up its roots. Its a miracle right there with no space wizard needed. The world actually becomes really bland when you put god behind it. the real magic is in digging deeper.

Side: Bible Is False
Hellno(17760) Disputed Banned
6 points

LOL! Just how many accounts do you have anyway? It's obvious that these accounts are all the same person trying to convince everyone that there is multiple people that believe the crap you're spewing.

Side: Bible Is False
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
4 points

Actually, the only people supporting "Bible Is True" is people I know. We all go to the same church. I invited them to the debate. All are good friends.

Side: Bible Is True
Delta(1348) Disputed
5 points

Where's your evidence? You're just saying bible this and bible that without giving any exact information why the bible exist?Support your argument and talk to me again.

Side: Bible Is False
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
5 points

Well, sir, ;) may I ask you a question? Do you believe any of the Bible at all?

Side: Bible Is True
4 points

You can't account for evidence without the Bible.................................

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GuitarGuy(6095) Disputed
4 points

Where's the evidence? The only evidence I see, is the Bible itself... and that isn't anything too convincing.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
3 points

The evidence is the Bible, but also a ton of things found by Archaeologists. Including dead sea scrolls, the Bible itself, and other things.

Side: Bible Is True
5 points

It was based on real happenings that were corrupted by counless mistranslation and politics over the centuries that passed.

Side: Bible Is True
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
2 points

Quick question: You believe in the Bible, but you say the Bible was corrupted??

Side: Bible Is True
Centifolia(1318) Disputed
3 points

The corrupted version that we have today does not change the fact that its roots are true and factual

Side: Bible Is False
4 points

Being a Chritian and Catholic I beleive the bible is an embelished account of actual happenings.

Side: Bible Is True
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

I have to tell you, Matt 24 and Luke 17 is clear deception is a HUGE part of the end times. If you are decieved it's actually judgement.

And if you tach others so they stumble, we'll that's even worse!

You may want to rethink what God is actually saying in His Word.

He is pouring out judgement and if you look at

Luke 17

Two in the bed 1 taken 1 left, where are they taken?

Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

34 I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.

36 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.” 37 And answering they *said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

And He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures

will be gathered.”

He has already poured several bowls in Revelations, and already opened many seals!

If you ""can see,"" it's as IF overnight, like a THIEF in the NIGHT

The world changed! And churches " the abomination of desolation" is evident and they are dead men walking and their LIGHTS JUST WENT OUT! And if they don't respond they will be thrown into the sea with a millstone on their necks!

Judgement has come, we are in it! Read and study, if your not born again, sit in front of Him till you are. And ask Him for eyes to see!

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Side: Bible Is False
4 points

It's true.

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4 points

To all those who do not believe the Bible is true, does it really make sense that all this could have been created without God? I mean, look at it. The only explanation modern science has for creation is the Big Bang theory, but it has to do with a time before that, which makes no sense. There has to have been something before that, just going by that theory.Now, does that make sense? The Law of Conservation of Matter states that matter cannot be created or destroyed.That would be the same for energy, if I'm correct, which would mean that the whole theory of the Big Bang is completely wrong, unless something CREATED the energy.

Side: Bible Is True
Dermot(5453) Disputed
3 points

So it's all false ? Ok why don't you go and get your noble prize for disproving the Big Bang theory and wow you proved it so brilliantly ! And hey why don't you ask the clown in the sky to show up for the awards , it should be a great night for you's all ( don't forget to give him a little credit ) .....

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Client444(61) Disputed
4 points

You understand that that is not debating, correct? That's really just refusal of what is true through sarcasm.

Side: Bible Is True
1 point

I have to tell you, Matt 24 and Luke 17 is clear deception is a HUGE part of the end times judgement! Look at His judgement in the prophets and look what Jesus said.

They will stumble at noon, grope like blind men!

Judgement is being delivered over to your own way till it consumes you like a lioness tearing up, and the mind of beasts will be given.

Those who HAVE UNDERSTANDING WILL SHINE LIKE THE SUN AND LEAD MANY TO RIGHTEOUSNESS!

While others will be overcome by the darkness and not even know it till it's too late! It will be like 10 virgins waking up to meet the Bridegroom, 5 will turn their lamps on and burn their lights and set it on for all to see, and 5 will wake without oil "AND GO TO BUY IT, AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT! If you have EARS to HEAR you will have eyes to understand!

If you are decieved it's actually judgement.

And if you tach others so they stumble, we'll that's even worse!

You may want to rethink what God is actually saying in His Word.

He is pouring out judgement and if you look at

Luke 17

Two in the bed 1 taken 1 left, where are they taken?

Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

34 I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.

36 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.” 37 And answering they *said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

And He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures

will be gathered.”

He has already poured several bowls in Revelations, and already opened many seals!

If you ""can see,"" it's as IF overnight, like a THIEF in the NIGHT

The world changed! And churches " the abomination of desolation" is evident and they are dead men walking and their LIGHTS JUST WENT OUT! And if they don't respond they will be thrown into the sea with a millstone on their necks!

Judgement has come, we are in it! Read and study, if your not born again, sit in front of Him till you are. And ask Him for eyes to see!

.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

To all those who do not believe the Bible is true, does it really make sense that all this could have been created without God?

The answer is yes. Are you saying if it can be done without God, God doesn't exist?

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Client444(61) Disputed
4 points

No, I am not, but how in the world do you think it could happen? I mean, energy cannot be made from nothing to something just magically without something else making it, so at one point, something had to have made it, right?

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Thejackster(517) Disputed
1 point

Then what created God? Why don't the same rules apply to him?

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

No clue. Only He can know that. Maybe He has always existed. As a being not created through science, maybe He doesn't have an end. Like He said, He is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, from Everlasting to Everlasting.

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The Bible is he foundation for the laws of logic. The Law of non Contradiction in a law of logic, therefore if the Bible isn't true, the Bible is true.

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I believe it, here is a fake reason to entertain the people who believe it is false.

Enjoy!

"Duh, it says it in the Bible and you can't put anything in the bible that isn't true."

Side: Bible Is True

Seriously though, the bible is the word of truth. I am Christian so I believe that.

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Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

You don't your only saying it if you did as I asked the others do as your book asks According to Mark 16:17-18, true believers can drink poison and handle snakes with no ill effects: And these signs will accompany those who believe: .... But you don't truly believe Jacob ... Wake up

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3 points

If God wanted you to, yeah, you could. I have no reason to test it, I was never lead by the spirit to do it so.... yeah... If I do that, I'll most likely die....

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Hrchung(23) Disputed
2 points

Hello, that's more like faith than belief. I can believe but have little faith; but you can't not have a belief when you have faith.

Side: Bible Is True
3 points

Also, I do not believe in evolution. Evolution is false, and here's proof. Watch this video.

Evolution vs. God
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Cartman(18192) Disputed
5 points

Saying that evolution is false because you can't see Dinosaurs means you are an idiot. Congratulations. I am sorry I couldn't watch passed the first 4 minutes, but it was pretty obvious that the person making the video was a huge asshole.

Side: Bible Is False
Solomonsston(40) Disputed
3 points
mommybrock Disputed
2 points

plus ur point that u cant see dinosaurs contradicts the point tht u cant see god we have dinosaurs bones u have no proof of god but a bible tht states itself man wrote the passages

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

Actually, I don't want to watch this. I don't know how God created all of this, but it COULD HAVE been evolution. Besides, there are dinosaurs in the Bible, if that is what this is about. Check out http://clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml .

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3 points

As a Christian, I do believe that the Bible is true. I know that much of it is intended to be more symbolic than literal, but I don't think that affects its legitimacy.

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2 points

How do you decide which parts are literal and which are symbolic?

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

I don't. I think that the Bible is true. I dunno if any of it is just symbolic. I mean, if there is an omniscient and omnipotent God, why would these things be incapable of happening?

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3 points

Considering that the books of the Bible were written by different people, in different geological locations, at different times, and yet still harmonizes with one another -- one must certainly give it the benefit of the doubt. At the very least.

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1 point

Yes, yes, yes! I agree completely. Even their word choices is so similar, when they are in different places.

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3 points

this bible is true. no matter if you dont believe some parts, a lot of it is obviously true

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3 points

The Bible is a book from God and therefore, is 110 percent accurate of its content.

This is why.

The Bible is a book or a collection of books really that had 40 different writers with different backgrounds living in different times and in many different locations. The earliest writings of the Bible is around 3500 years ago. Although, the writers and the times change one thing that remains consistent is they all claim to have been inspired by God in their works.

In Job 26:7 The earth is decribed as hanging on nothing.

Today it is common knowledge that the earth does indeed hang on nothing, but is being manipulated by the gravity pull of the sun. In those days, mankind did not have the technology to discover this fact.

So how did Job know this when no one else knew? Tell me.

Furthermore, in Isaiah 40:22 the earth is described as a circle. Now hang on! Wasn't Christophor Columbus the one that discovered this scientific fact?

Well sorry to burst you bubble, but Isaiah seems to have won the race thousands of years before Chris C.

Concerning the scientific facts above the Bible seemed to be 100% accurate.

Many prophecies have been foretold by the Bible and all of which have been fulfilled and recorded in the Bible. Now I could post it here but you can just Google it.

The Bible also offers perfect advice for difficulties in life. Now I am sure if you study the Bible more you will see why.

The Bible also never will contradict itself just like God. If you do find something that seems to contradict in the Bible. I am sure if you study it you will find out that they don't.

People who claim that the Bible is false or who do not answer this question with Scripture proof are people who never read or who do not understand the Bible. Yet, they act as if they are experts of the Bible.

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I take from attempting to read some of the arguments of the bible being false, that there are many who either don't read their bibles or are just leaning on what they may have remembered through the years..much of which is based on false teachings and much misrepresentation.

your argument is more than what i wanted to say as it relates to historical undisputed bible facts. 110% factual. but like you know there are those who just like their ears tickled''

some of their arguments are what the bible warns us about'' the philosophy of men'' Mark chapter 7 verse 7 and the traditions' 1 CORINTHIANS chapter 3 verse 19, 20 for the wisdom of this world is foolishness' and Jehovah knows that the reasoning of the wise men are futile'

'when you talked about what was written in the bible book of Isaiah 40' 22 .it clearly proved that Christopher Columbus and those on that voyage did not read the bible''

,It is a pleasure to read and argument like yours especially when you know what you are talking about'' from the greatest source gods word the bible...PROVERBS 3 verse 13 ''happy is the man that has found WISDOM' and the man that gets discernment...

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2 points

IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Bible Is True
4 points

If you only would have used 13 more exclamations, you would have convinced me...

Side: Bible Is False
3 points

IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are your thirteen more

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

God changes his mind - and we are supposed to try to be like God, so I change my mind - you didn't convince me... :)

You should have used 6 less...

Side: Bible Is False
1 point

the 13 more would have made 316 exclamations - and would have been an obvious sign from God that John 3:16 is true.

Instead you only used 303 - which must be an allusion to Room 303 and therefore the Matrix theory must be true... :)

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2 points

Hi,

I'm Joel's Dad and want to let you know he's only 12 years old. I just found out he was posting here a couple days ago. I have not read through all the posts here, so maybe he mentioned that he's only 12, maybe not. In any case, I'm proud of him. He's an amazing kid. Has skipped a grade, can jam on the piano, sing, and act. And he knows the Lord. I probably should have put that first. I just want to say that the biggest problem in this kind of debate is that no amount of argument will convince any unbeliever because they have chosen to believe against evidence. The fact that you spend this much time arguing against something that you say doesn't exist shows you're very biased against that One who DOES exist. God has already spoken to this saying the nations "rage against the Lord and his anointed one (Christ)" (Psalm 2). The unbeliever, by nature, is a "child of wrath" (Ephesians 2) and as opposed to God as Satan. So, you're reactions and dishonesty, and unwillingness to consider the evidence that is mountainous shows that God's word is true about you.

Your conscience (God's moral law within) is a great proof of God, as is the astounding creation and all the inter-relationships of the natural and physical realm, which could never have occurred without the First Cause, God Himself. But you will believe it happened all by itself - well that's not only unscientific, but it's irrational. As for the resurrection, it can be proven along a couple of historical or legal lines of evidence quite soundly. For example, it was proven using the laws of evidence by one of the co-founders of the Harvard Law School, Simon Greenleaf, Jewish man who can to faith THROUGH STUDYING THE GOSPELS' TESTIMONY TO THE EVENT. The slight differences between the gospels are actually credits to their veracity. If they said the same thing at every point it would be said there was collusion (Read Greenleaf on this in "The Testimony of the Evangelists"). In the end, though, evidence is not the problem, as I've noted, it is our bias against God from and selfish, proud, God-hating heart.

There are literally thousands of books and DVDs available by scientists and theologians of the highest quality that know the living God. Have you ever carefully viewed or read any of them? Google can lead you to many of them. Try Westiminster Seminary's bookstore online and go to "apologetics" where sound reasons for believing in the Christian faith can be found. Jason Sarfati, a chess champion, and Phd. scientist wrote a book refuting evolution. There are many more such books. Have any of you, seriously desiring to know the truth, sought God and considered the many resources out there without a mocking, prejudiced spirit? I seriously doubt it.

I know about being personally biased against God, because I once held all the same views you did until I received a new nature - His divine nature - imparted to me in His kindness, as well as forgiveness, 21 years ago.

Your problem is the same as mine (was): 1) selfish nature focused on self, desires, and passions; and 2) pride - an unwillingness to acknowledge the Creator. NO AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE WILL CONVINCE YOU. I've argued unbelievers into a position where they had no arguments left and then, what did they do? They walked away. No repentance, no faith, no knowledge and experience of God. Repentance and faith are gifts of God. May He give them to you. In the meantime, we will debate, but we will also proclaim the living Christ and He will save his chosen ones by His power and grace, even those who argue against Him and resist Him with all their might, like I once did Thankfully, more and more are coming to know Him, and He's still in the saving business for a little while longer.

I hope that some of you will be honest and face your bias and really pursue the Lord and find salvation and true joy and life in Him, the author of joy and life. He says, "seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened to you," (Matthew 7) and "seek the Lord while He may be found." (Isaiah 55) Blessings.

Side: Bible Is True
GuitarGuy(6095) Disputed
4 points

What evidence? The Bible? That's just a book. What makes the Bible the one "true" religious text? Is it because there are apparently secular sources who witnessed Jesus' miracles? How about the secular sources who are witnesses to other religions and their miracles? How about all of the sources from the time period who claimed that Jesus was merely a man?

So, you're reactions and dishonesty, and unwillingness to consider the evidence that is mountainous shows that God's word is true about you.

Atheists believe that God doesn't exist, just like you believe he does. How is that being dishonest? We considered the evidence and came to our own conclusions. It's you guys who are afraid to open up to new evidence. Personally, I'm an Agnostic. I believe in the possibility that there is a God, but I don't really buy into the World's religions.

Your conscience (God's moral law within) is a great proof of God

Right, because what can't be explained by science can only be explained by the Christian God? We know more now than we knew back then. At the time that the Bible was written, everyone thought the world was flat. I assume that is why Hell was thought to be below us and Heaven above. They literally thought that Heaven was in the clouds... which obviously isn't true. Our knowledge will continue to grow... the Bible will stay the same. It's extremely ambiguous and people will interpret the verses the way they see fit.

First Cause, God Himself. But you will believe it happened all by itself - well that's not only unscientific, but it's irrational.

It's not so much the belief in God that I find irrational, it's the belief in the Christian, Jewish, or Islamic God. Look at Old Testament... why did God want so many people stoned to death for such irrational reasons? A woman touching a man's testicles during a fight... cut off her hand! A son that is rebellious... stone him to death! A brother who refuses to marry and impregnate his deceased brother's wife... spit on him and punish him! Oh... and he sure didn't like autistic people, despite the "fact" that he created them. But then Christianity came and basically said "ignore that crazy crap... that was the old God. He's different now!". So I guess God mellowed out, maybe he became a Buddhist or something lol... which by the way, Buddhism came before Christianity and Buddha was supposedly born from a virgin... so Christianity didn't introduce the virgin birth.

Anyways, sorry if I offended your son. There is an age limit for people to be on forums like this... 13 years old, I think. His grammar and punctuation is pretty good for a kid his age, so I assumed he was older.

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Thejackster(517) Disputed
0 points

It seems kinda funny that the scientific knowledge contained within the bible is similar to the limited knowledge people at the time had.

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2 points

The Jesus was existing at the past, and that is true. So why wouldn't the bible is true?

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The Iliad mentions the city of Troy. Troy really existed. Should you believe in all of the Greek gods?

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

Your logic's broken, sir. You might want to fix it. I know this is 70 days later, but I want ot open this debate again.

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Then why would the priests trust the chriest? Bible is 100% true

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The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. It reports supernatural events and the writings are divine rather than human in nature with the names of people and places being cited.

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The Bible is true because it happened as I have said, Israel is the perfect place of an example for the proof of the BIBLE.

read this....

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0293/0293_01.asp

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2 points

The bible is accurate. Simply look at the history of Israel and see how the bible and the facts line up. Other countries also have documents that say events happened which were mentioned in the bible

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The bible, like many great novels, was not meant to be taken apart . It should be read in chunks. In fact the bible says you should not take sections of the book and use then to your advantage because your cropping out the "unimportant" parts of the bible, when it states that should not be done. When you take sections out of the bible you should quote all of the passages that relate to that certain topic.

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Bible is 100% true .It has the true stories which have occured in the past. In fact,AD and BC occured in the basis of bible.SO WE CAN SAY THAT BIBLE IS 100% TRUE THAN ANY HOLLY BOOKS.

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I need to clarify, true and false is just a matter of beliefs. No one really 'knows' anything.

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ObamasElf(3) Disputed
2 points

I guess you don't know that then, do you? You walked right into that one. Checkmate, brothah.

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AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
1 point

Not quite. My statement isn't a statement of knowledge, but one of wisdom. Wisdom is to realize what you don't know, or more so, can't know. Quite the opposite of knowledge.

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Why does it have to be all true or all false? Couldn't it contain both truths and falsehoods?

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Some of us say faith is useless. But in fact FAITH- means the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.

So it means there are things a human can't see in his naked eye.

For example,

*all of us haven't seen our own minds, but we all know that our minds existed because we think.

So it's the same as having Faith that God existed,

and the proof of this is His creation (man, animals, earth, everything).

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Yet we breath and eat out the same hole,choking yeah,god wants us to choke to death

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Because the Bible has been modified and basically watered down from the time it was originally written, I would say that it is merely 65% accurate.

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Srom(12203) Disputed
1 point

Then why does the Quran have scientific errors?

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/errors2.asp

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BlackDiamond(2) Disputed
1 point

Direct me to the scientific errors in the book, not from a website someone posted.

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kerenjoani(29) Clarified
1 point

simply... Qur'an have scientific errors because Qur'an is not inspired by GOD, Qur'an is made by Allah.

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pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

Chick? Seriously?

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The Bible is true if someone believes the Bible to be true.

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You may say why doesn't He create some other dynamics. Who's to say another dynamic wouldn't change the result.

He can't change Himself. And if He is pure Light, then no matter what God does Darkness is an impurity to Light, And darkness burns away. Light has to remove darkness.You exist, and are given a life to live according to how you want to live, to form bonds, and memories, and live life as you see fit.

That's a gift, not a curse. The question is do you want to be swallowed up in darkness in the end. As far as eternal torment Saintnow will have me executed a heretic, but I think it ends.

I think there is a resurection to judgement and All will be consumed and there will be tormenting destruction.

And people will mourn the choice, when they see Him, and then will slip into black empiness. I can't really tell you what will happen there. I'm pretty sure what we think we know and what it is are actually not the same thing.

I don't think you can get saved by fearing Hell.

I think you have to love something about the character of God to want to follow. But the character people have painted is far from accurate.

God is preparing the riches of Eternity the gift of Eternal Life to give to a gazillion of His children, who have loved and chosen light over darkness from every generation for 6000 years.

And don't bother with the evolution discussion, a day was not likely

a twenty four hour day. So whatever started it all was still Him, God is the Creator behind whatever, and however He did it. So it really doesn't matter. He is the First and the Last. Whatever it was, He was it!

Starting from Genesis through Revelations, God set up everything from all the main hosts, to all the appointed timelines for everything from beginning to end. Then He let our lives unfold with our free will intact.

For Him to have know your choice ahead of time, you would of had to exist!

And everyone existed, so God doesn't remove people from their life which existed just because He foreknew on their choices would be for darkness, or on account of the choices He knew ahead of you making them. That's absurd. Your life is still a gift. And honestly we don't know what Hell is, if its an eternal burn. Or Eternal death as in burned up and ceasing to exist throughout Eternity.

We just don't know all the answers.

It's so ridiculous, people have these expectations of validity and knowledge that are unreasonable. There is an awful lot of different events to dig for, and many have been confirmed found. But some Muslim countries don't even allow diggers to confirm Biblical facts because of the unrest in those countries.

The dilemmas there in mid east should be proof itself! It's like everyone is skeptical by choice, and that choice is unreasonable, if many indicators exist to confirm things, and many things found, and you still deny the Bible texts because all of it isn't proved, it's as unreasonable as saying we don't believe the Egyptians had a huge work force behind all the pyramids because we can't confirm everything that's hidden in the earth of Egypt. It's foolish and its ignorance of choice!

And He wouldn't and shouldn't decide not to create others because of others choices. Or not give what He prepared as a gift for a gazillion of His children, just because other people make different choices.

Through all the work to its completion, God is rewarding His Work with joy of a full house. He does this huge, elaborate work of over 6000 years of details, planning and orchestrating it all. To do this tranformational feat in us, transferring us from a human nature to a body like when Jesus rose from the dead. Every detail managed and appointed including the Cross and Resurrection. And to have a gazilion Children to to share in all His riches through Eternity.

MATT 14

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.The earth was already dark, void formless, maybe from when Satan fell. So darkness existed as a choice. And darkness overcomes light or light overcomes darkness, but they can't coexist together in the same place. So for now light exists in the darkness, and where light exists, darkness is pushed back.

John 5

16 For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.”

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The Bible is the true Bronze Age testaments and/or records of the human beings living while it was compiled. There are many true accounts and much to be learned from it.

The Bible IS NOT a perfect statement from God with every word infallible nor is it above the influence of the ancient cultures or events happening at the time it was written.

Aspiring to live your life according to the beautiful lessons of love and tolerance in the Bible is a wonderful thing. But insisting every living person must abide by whatever sentences you choose to pluck out of it to thump as mandates that everyone must do that precise thing or else face condemnation is lunacy.

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Maybe God is serious! Maybe God's Word is true!

Ezekiel 38

4 I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords; 5 Persia, Ethiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer with all its troops; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you.

7 “Be prepared, and prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them. 9 You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you.”

10 ‘Thus says the Lord God,

“It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan,

11 and you will say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those

who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates, 12 to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and against the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the center of the world.’

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KNHav(1957) Clarified
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BUT, in the end. He will STILL save His people, and He will destroy again the enemies of His people.

O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal; 2 and I will turn you around, drive you on, take you up from the remotest parts of the north and bring you against the mountains of Israel. 3 I will strike your bow from your left hand and dash down your arrows from your right hand. 4 You will fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you as food to every kind of predatory bird and beast of the field. 5 You will fall on the open field; for it is I who have spoken,” declares the Lord God. 6 “And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety; and they will know that I am the Lord.

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If people have their eyes closed and they can't see, there is no use showing them anything, unless there is something for real in them that says if I see its true I will follow.

If that's not a true statement about you regarding truth, the you should expect to stay blind. And I should expect God to let you stay blind. He doesn't open the eyes to understand to those who choose darkness over Light. Bottom line!

As long as people reject truth, then their hearts will be just like the heart of the pharasees!

Truth and Prophesy stood Eye to Eye and Toe to Toe with them,

and even then, knowing all the texts that told about Him, they STILL STAYED BLIND !

Blind is a choice AT FIRST, but then its a bowl of wrath poured out, as we see in Revelations!

If you choose darkness over Light, He let's a flood of darkness and deception take you away. (Just like a flood, Jesus said His return will be JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH!

So then, the Lights go OUT! In a flood see Luke 17 where the vultures gather!

You know what crazy, Here is a very clear example of it, without even trying hard, Yet this is exactly how blind people are!

The Pharisees were people who memorized the law and the prophets, all Jews did, but especially the religious leaders!

And God told of the Messiah, and they were aware He was coming.

So its not like He surprised them. He didn't hide it then spring it on them, expecting them to be aware without knowing what exactly to look for.

INSTEAD, God wrote and wrote and wrote detail after detail after detail. Explaining everything they needed to know, in order to recognise Him.

But the 1 thing they failed to do was to guard their hearts, and prepare for The visitation of the Messiah they had been told about!

So God told them exactly where He would be born, in whose decendants line, God gave physical details to a T, and told them exactly what He would be doing, and His ultamately end on the cross, and of His Resurection. He told them of His trial, Judas' betrayal, every detail down to His tomb! He even said they would reject Him and kill Him, and scoff and mock.

Now one pharasee wasn't blinded, Nicodemus, and He followed Jesus. All the others, you would think that at some point over the 3.5 years He was in their very faces, under their noses, and out in the open with every detail, you would think after a few months, or maybe a year, they'd say hey, we had this memorized and Jesus looks like everything we knew to look for!

You'd think at least when they got to the trials they would have made SOME KIND OF A CONNECTION! HOW COULD THEY BE THAT BLIND???

Because God sent Jesus to a people whose hearts were darkened, and they couldn't see. And by doing so The Gospel went through all the World to every Nation, and As it is written Abraham through the Seed of Promise, has become a Father to Many Nations. Through promise!

So I think it interesting, many say show me! And I did show, not even intending to show in my answer. Yet most of you, will end up like those blind pharasees, And Gods judgement to you for having a heart that doesn't really want to know, you just might choose to stay blind also! And drink the cup of wrath He is pouring out right now, without even being aware or caring about it.

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The Bible is a computer like written code. Digitalizing our physical existence, and programming full circle beginning to end. And to prove it, pi is right in the 1st verse. Gen 1: 1

I'm amazed at this. And e in John 1: 1 which is in line with exponential growth out to all nations in the era of the new testament.

An alien authored it, coincidences pile to high to dismiss.

If an alien left a document in your attic, how hard would you

look to find it?

After you found it, how hard would you try to decifer it?

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Holy bible is the only pure book among the all religious books in the world... It's 100% true ...IF god is 100% true ..then the same will be for the word of god ... Even the science evolved because of bible... science proves bilble is true..From the smallest of organism to the largest star ....is proven in bible.. what else we need as proof

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Holy bible is the only pure book among the all religious books in the world... It's 100% true ...IF god is 100% true ..then the same will be for the word of god ... Even the science evolved because of bible... science proves bilble is true..From the smallest of organism to the largest star ....is proven in bible.. what else we need as proof

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Holy bible is the only pure book among the all religious books in the world... It's 100% true ...IF god is 100% true ..then the same will be for the word of god ... Even the science evolved because of bible... science proves bilble is true..From the smallest of organism to the largest star ....is proven in bible.. what else we need as proof

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7 points

The bible is historically and scientifically inaccurate, contradictory, and riddled with inconsistencies and promotions of unethical behavior.

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5 points

I find it just as valid of divinity as I do all other sacred texts of divinity. And at this point, I think it's more like Aesop's Fables. As in, I think people wrote it as a way to give answers to people at which they didn't really have, and to make their lives easier to cope with, and even to teach the morals of that time.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
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So your saying people wrote the Bible to make life easier to cope with? The Bible doesn't just contain facts. It contains TRUTH and HISTORY, things that actually happened. Can you give me one reason why the Bible is false? Just one reason?

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Kite626(714) Disputed
5 points

Solomon is correct... Horus was recorded before the bible yet it states the same ideals of the bible.

Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.

Both were baptized at age 30.

Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

Both Anup and John were later beheaded.

Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.

Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.

Both have 12 disciples.

Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.

Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."

Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)

Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu").

Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.

Both were crucified.

Both were crucified next to two thieves.

Both were buried in a tomb.

Yet the bible is indeed written truth...?

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riahlize(1573) Disputed
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So your saying people wrote the Bible to make life easier to cope with?

For their time period. And those who still need that coping mechanism still seem to cling to it. So to answer your question, yes, I think that was one reason why the Bible and other sacred texts or stories were created.

The Bible doesn't just contain facts. It contains TRUTH and HISTORY, things that actually happened.

In the same way that a person may not just lie but create fictional stories to pass off at truth. Oh hey guess what, redundancy! You just said that the Bible doesn't just contain facts.....it also contains facts! Well by golly that certainly convinces me!

Can you give me one reason why the Bible is false? Just one reason?

Just to be clear, I acknowledge that there are accurate statements in the Bible. So I am not claiming the entire Bible is false. However, to give you an example of a statement in the Bible which is inaccurate: Jonah was swallowed by a whale (Matthew: 12:40 KJV). But Jonah 1:17 (KJV) says that Jonah was swallowed by a fish. Whales are not fish, they're marine mammals. So one or both of these statements in the Bible are wrong/false.

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pakicetus(1455) Disputed
2 points

You're the one saying it's rue, you show me how it's correct

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Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Yes Joel I can no you's all say you totally believe in the bible as the word of God but backtrack quick enough when asked according to Mark 16:17-18, true believers can drink poison and handle snakes with no ill effects: And these signs will accompany those who believe: ... So bet you won't drink poison even though your protected by your God faith indeed ..... Wake up Joel it's a fairytale

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It's the copy of many religions such as horus.

.Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan Both were baptized at age 30.

Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

Both Anup and John were later beheaded.

Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.

Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.

Both have 12 disciples.

Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.

Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."

Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)

Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu").

Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.

Both were crucified.

Both were crucified next to two thieves.

Both were buried in a tomb.

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beautifully said. i could not have said it in any other way myself. well done on finding this.

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summer_shepp(3) Disputed
1 point

They may be similar but they are not the same and Horus isn't mentioned in the Bible..

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AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
2 points

Theyre exactly the same almost 100%! And no shit horus isnt mentioned in the bible! You dont plagiarize someone elses story and then write them in as the author.

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Solomonsston(40) Disputed
0 points

its not that they are similar, its that they are identical. plus if your to say Jesus came before the Egyptians, then im sorry but no, you would be wrong. and you are now.

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Hrchung(23) Disputed
1 point

Heh, i don't think there is a place named Bethanu, but there is a place called Bethany, meaning house of misery/poverty.

Claim: Horus was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded.

Truth: Horus was never baptized. While the conspiracy theorists will often point to “Anup the Baptizer” and claim he was later beheaded, there is no such person in Horus’ story.

Claim: Horus had 12 disciples

Truth: Horus had only four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’), but at some point in his story there is reference to sixteen followers, and a group of unnumbered followers who join Horus in battle (called ‘mesnui’). But there’s no reference to twelve followers.

Claim: Horus performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water

Truth: Of course Horus performed miracles, after all he was supposed to be a god!! But there was no mention of exorcizing demons, raising people from the dead or walking on water.

Claim: Horus delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings. He was transfigured on the Mount

Truth: Horus never delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, nor was he transfigured.

Claim: Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected

Truth: Horus is not reported to have died at all in the vast majority of story versions. There is also no crucifixion story. Instead, Horus is usually described as eventually merging with Ra (the Sun god) after which he ‘dies’ and is ‘reborn’ every single day as the sun rises. (This is a bit of a stretch at a death and resurrection parallel). Now there is an unofficial story that describes Horus as dying and being cast in pieces into the water, and later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request.

Blah blah. Yup that's it...

If you want more...tell me.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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You have to be extraordinarily gullible to accept this "Horus-Jesus" comparison, and very stupid to believe it without questioning the source. It is easily debunked.

The Horus-Jesus Myth: Be Critical

Just like the stolen kidney story, the Horus-Jesus connection myth has much of what makes an urban legend appealing: a moral tale that shows how one's gullibility can result in one being taken in with serious consequences, the authoritative yet undefined source, a set of facts that on the surface are seemingly plausible, and the ability to shock others with a sensational revelation. Yet, just like the stolen kidney story, all you need to do is to think a bit and the paper-thin claims of Jesus's stolen resurrection will quickly melt away. Here are five points to consider:

1) Look for Loaded Language

Notice in the Zeitgeist story, all the terms used are ones taken from Christianity. Horus is called a "messiah" and was "baptized." He had "disciples" and a "ministry." All of these terms bias the listener because they are Jewish or Christian concepts. The Egyptians would never use these words to refer to their religious rites. The word messiah had a very specific meaning to the Jews, including being a descendant of David. It wasn't any political figure. Christianity teaches that believers are baptized only once, not simply a pre-religious washing ceremony. By mislabeling other deities with Christian terms, the listener is deluded into believing the similarities are closer than they really are.

2) Ask "Can I read the source of these myths?"

The single easiest way to debunk these supposed parallel accounts of Jesus and Horus are to simply ask for the source text of the myths themselves. Just as the stolen kidney tale can't be verified since it comes from "a friend of a friend," so you'll find that the ancient tales that supposedly parallels the life of Jesus are an extended form of hearsay. In fact, all these claims are usually committing the same sin many atheists claim the Gospels commit: they are more like a game of telephone than real texts.

Interestingly, if anyone actually bothers to look up the source texts, a very different picture arises. For Horus, there's no mention at all of twelve disciples, three king visitations, and death by crucifixion and the three day entombment. In fact, Horus was stung by a scorpion and a magic incantation by the god of wisdom, Thoth, purges the venom from his body. This all happens while Horus was a young child, well before his adulthood and battle for the throne. It's nothing like Jesus's resurrection at all.3

3) Ask "What do you mean by "resurrection?"

There's a significant difference between Jesus's resurrection and what you read in the ancient myths. Osirus, according to a late tradition recorded in the first century AD by the Roman Plutarch, was cut into fourteen pieces by his nemesis Typhon and they were scattered all along the Nile. Osirus's wife Isis was able to gather thirteen of those to reassemble her husband. The tale tells us that unfortunately Osirus's sexual organ was eaten by fish and so Isis assembled another out of gold in order for Osirus to impregnate her with Horus. Osirus, since he will never be a complete being again, now resides as the god of the underworld.4

4) Ask "What do you mean by virgin birth?"

Certainly, given the events above, calling Horus's conception a virgin birth strains the idea to its breaking point. Other fables, such as Zeus impregnating Semele with Dionysus. He had physical relations with her even though she couldn't see him. Zeus took Dionysus ads a fetus and sewed him into his thigh and from there Dionysus was born. To say the virgin birth stories should be considered comparable is itself laughable.

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Atrag(5546) Disputed
1 point

You should be banned for spamming.

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3 points

There's barely any evidence that Jesus existed, let alone resurrected. Assuming that he was real, it makes more sense that his body was stolen.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
3 points

If his body was stolen, then how did he appear again to his twelve disciples and to many others??

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GuitarGuy(6095) Disputed
2 points

That's what the Bible says... that doesn't mean it really happened.

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Intangible(4933) Clarified
2 points

Stolen by and then possessed by Satan? o_o

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GuitarGuy(6095) Clarified
1 point

I think he was stolen by Santa Claus, who then absorbed his powers.

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3 points

Again you are telling lies about your God he does change his mind look at the examples from his book where he constantly changes his mind , so he is lying as well as you ? It's his book tell me where I'm misquoting ? ... You can't.

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3 points

You keep saying he does not change his mind so your saying your God is a liar ? Because look above at the several examples of where he changes his mind , but you say he does not and yet it's in his book his words so is he lying ?

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2 points

A badly written work of fiction ,dictated by Bronze Age goatherds and it's not even a good story .... He dies in the end..

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
3 points

Dermot, it's not a story. Or not just some story at that. It's a TRUE one. The inspired word of God. You know how I know it's true? I challenge you this: Go to any library, as much library's as you want, and I want you to get me a collection of 66 Books. 66 Books written by several authors. 66 Books written in three different continents. 66 Books that are accurate to history. 66 Books that all have the same theme and point to the one true God. If you can find a collection like that, I would believe that the Bible is false.

Sir, the Bible is real, and I believe EVERYONE believe's He's real. They just don't like that their's a God, so they block him and the Bible and refuse to Believe in Him and the Bible. How do I know that the Bible is true, and that some guys didn't just get together and write some random junk? Well, the Bible was written by SEVERAL authors on different continents. The authors didn't even know each other. They didn't have mail, or anything to come up with a fat lie. The Holy Spirit inspired each author to write this historical events down on paper.

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Dermot(5453) Disputed
2 points

The bible is wrong on nearly everything history ,geography ,science ,also it's full of genocide ,racism , hate , incest a terrible book by all accounts

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AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
2 points

I challenge you this: Go to any library, as much library's as you want, and I want you to get me a collection of 66 Books. 66 Books written by several authors. 66 Books written in three different continents. 66 Books that are accurate to history. 66 Books that all have the same theme and point to the one true God. If you can find a collection like that, I would believe that the Bible is false.

*as many libraries

i can EASILY get you SEVERAL collections of 66 books from almost every branch of science that match your exact qualifications EXCEPT the last one. Why does it have to point to a god? Why does there have to be one at all? and why do these qualifications you made make the bible true? Do authors and places books are written dictate the truth of the content? no. The supporting evidence for the content does. Of which the bible has ZERO.

So go ahead and rub off to the fact that your book is super duper famous and fancy. so its catcher in the rye and the Iliad and nobody suggests those are true.

the Bible is real

i know i have one.

and I believe EVERYONE believe's He's real. They just don't like that their's a God, so they block him and the Bible and refuse to Believe in Him and the Bible

and herein lies the problem. You believe that you know what im thinking. Wtf? youre really gonna tell me what i think? i suggest you get this stupid idea out of your head because i DONT believe in your god at all. i dont hate him or the bible or whatever because theyre FAIRYTALES to me. theyre none of my concern at all except when morons like you and your other evangelist buddies try to tell me what i believe and try to impose your crap on me and on younger kids in schools and such.

If you want anyone to respect you and take you seriously then dont tell them this crap. You dont know shit about what anyone else believes. BUT you can find out. know how? ASK THEM. people will tell you what THEY believe because THEY are experts on the subject. not some old book.

How do I know that the Bible is true, and that some guys didn't just get together and write some random junk?

You dont KNOW anything. you THINK things. And nobody suggesting that some guys just wrote random junk. we do in fact have ideas on why it was written. it did in fact serve an impotant purpose, it just isnt true.

Well, the Bible was written by SEVERAL authors on different continents. The authors didn't even know each other. They didn't have mail, or anything to come up with a fat lie

So a man writing a book on WW2 in the US and another man writting another book on WW2 from Russia and another from Germany and another from France who dont know eachother MUST have been imbuned with the holy spirit to get this information right? Newsflash buddy: monotheistic religion is huge and has been for thousands of years in seperate nations. Stories will be similar and word will spread fast. Christianity in rome took over the empire in a few centuries easy. But i would actually like to know what bible books were written in other continents because ive never heard that before. Christianity is totally local to Isreal and the surrounding area up to Rome later on. Where else did it arise/when and where are you getting your info?

The Holy Spirit inspired each author to write this historical events down on paper

Giant assumption you have nothing to base on. How about: author wrote histotical events down on paper with embelishment from his own theology? Thats a far likelier reason

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trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
2 points

Please clarify which parts are fiction and which parts are fact? And how do you decide which are which?

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The parts that are fact are the ones that we can verify to be facts. Other things must be taken with a grain of salt as it is unverified. And finally the things that are false are those we can disprove with science: snakes dont talk, fish and bread dont spawn into existence, water doesnt change its molecular composition into wine, animals/humans didnt spawn onto the earth they evolved, two people cant give birth to a whole species, the earth never flooded, ect.

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Hrchung(23) Clarified
1 point

Hello, just commenting as a friend. It's true that not everyone believes that there is a god, because we don't see Him in a physical being. Even people who believe in God or Jesus, like me, often doubt if He is really there, unless they saw a vision of Jesus or were visited by Him.

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Dermot(5453) Clarified
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Hi yes to me the whole book is fiction so there is no point in cherry picking what people think is real or not .... It's a fairytale.

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kerenjoani(29) Disputed
2 points

Are you sure it was badly written? In fact its words are perfectly structured.

Yes he died but he won over Satan.... and this satan is the source of all evil that happened to our world. And because GOD won on that event Satan wants that all people would not believe on him. Now Satan is working on different ways with his deceiving tactics but that would not let satan win over God because God is the MOST powerful.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Doesn't He die in the middle. That's where the story should have ended, but it went on to long. ;)

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
2 points

No. He died, then resurrected. The story continues, to show that he resurrected and was the ultimate sacrifice for our wicked little selves and all our sins, so that we WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO HELL, which is where all the unbeliever's are going. Sir, please put your trust in the one true God you know is real, before judgement day.

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2 points

Of course forgive me your correct but I ain't going to read it again to find out , why is God always pissed off?

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summer_shepp(3) Disputed
1 point

After death he rises again. In the END he is coming back and there will be a new heaven and a new earth! It's not fiction and it was written only a few thousand years ago by real people, people who were inspired and walked by God himself! Not to mention it's the best book in the world because it actually happened!

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AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
2 points

evidence.. ? that means other than the bible btw

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Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Ok if you believe in that by definition your deluded , and who would want to follow such a thuggish God

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amylynn93(115) Disputed
1 point

Wow, that is so original. I know most of us Christians have never heard a retort like that. Bravo!

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I think we both no that the World wasn't created in 7 days, that the universe isn't a few thousand or so years old, that we aren't all descended from two people called Adam and Eve, that there wasn't a giant flood and some how two of every species of animals on the planet where fitted in one boat.

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CharlieShepp(1) Clarified
1 point

Um no. That's not even an argument. TheEccentric, are you an atheist?

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2 points

Yes, I don't believe in any God only making your own way to happiness (and guiding other's there too) without hoping an invisible sky fairy who controls everything. will do it for you.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
1 point

Actually, I KNOW that happened. And everyone knows there is a God. They don't like the fact, so they say they don't believe in Him. Sir, right now, at this very moment, your questioning whether God really is real. Why? Because you know that He is real.

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riahlize(1573) Disputed
2 points

Actually, I KNOW that happened.

How?

And everyone knows there is a God. They don't like the fact, so they say they don't believe in Him. Sir, right now, at this very moment, your questioning whether God really is real. Why? Because you know that He is real.

And everyone knows there is a god. They don't like the fact, so they say they don't believe in Zeus. Sir, right now, at this very moment, your questioning whether Zeus really is real. Why? Because you know that Zeus is real.

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

You. You do not know what you are talking about. If you'd think and actually read, maybe you'd understand. Instead, however, I will try my best to help you. The Bible says that the world was created in seven days. However, it also says in Psalms that time is different to God, going as to say that one day to Him is to 1,000 days to us. Also, how could this population not come from two of the same species? That just makes sense. Logic would state that a human would need another to mate. And, I mean, not every animal is gonna evolve into a man at the same time. It doesn't work like that. There had to be a beggining to the population.

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Hellno(17760) Banned
2 points

This is the sorriest attempt at using multiple accounts I have ever seen on this site... and that says a lot.

Superswimmer

AKA joellee101

AKA CharlieShepp

AKA summershepp

AKA warrenjo

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warrenjo(16) Disputed
3 points

Dude we are all separate accounts!! Charlie, summer, Joel, and I all go to the same church.

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2 points

He's telling the truth. We are separate people but we do know each other.

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2 points

Complete and utter garbage which contradicts itself constantly, what other book would we allow with so many blatant lies and contradictions here are a couple Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works

Gen 1:31

God is dissatisfied with his works.

Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples

2 Chron 7:12,16

God dwells not in temples

Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light

Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness

1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard

Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/

Ex 24:9-11

God is invisible and cannot be heard

John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests

Ex 31:17

God is never tired and never rests

Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things

Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21

God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all

things

Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men

Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3

God tries men to find out what is in their heart

Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful

Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful

Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable

James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19

God is changeable

Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/

Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial

Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial

Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil

Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil

1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask

James 1:5/ Luke 11:10

God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving

them

John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him

Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17

God is not to be found by those who seek him

Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike

Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15

God is peaceful

Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious

Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19

God is kind, merciful, and good

James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long

Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4

God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute

Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,

sacrifices ,and holy days

Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9

God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,

sacrifices, and holy days.

Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices

2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39

God forbids human sacrifice

Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men

Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13

God tempts no man

James 1:13

20. God cannot lie

Heb 6:18

God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive

2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him

Gen 6:5,7

Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him

Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.

Rom 1:20

God's attributes cannot be discovered

Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God

Deut 6:4

There is a plurality of gods

Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

And that's only the start absolute nonsense of the highest order

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
2 points

When you said "There is a plurality of Gods," I know what you mean, but your wrong. It says, "Let US make man in our image." Well, God, when He said "us," He means "us" as in the Trinity. God the Father, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. He wasn't talking about some other random god's/god

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Dermot(5453) Disputed
1 point

Oh dear your really not very good on your bible Joel , where's I'm an expert chapter and verse , and you have no right to change Gods word and put your own context on them remember he said " change not one iota" but that's ok he forgot to put in unless your Joel well check out what's going to happen you for that sin .. Correcting the word of God oh dear....I do apologise for using the "good book" against you it's a bit unfair , why don't you use science against me ? And I do appreciate the time you take to show what the bible really means according to Joel .

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