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Bible Is True - vs. - Bible Is False

 

Is the Bible true? Did the Resurrection happen?

 

I believe the Bible is true, and that the Resurrection happened, but I thought it would be interesting to see other people's belief's and would be interesting to debate. Laughing

Bible Is True

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Bible Is False

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14 points

The bible is in fact 100% accurate, especially when thrown at close range.

Side: Bible Is True
5 points

My first thought is I can't believe you said that. My reaction, i laugh, then ask for forgiveness.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

......................................Okay......... you win the debate. Hands down.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

you win. debate over. hands down, you are the best!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

Give up.

You win.

We all lose.

Side: Bible Is True
Grenache(6053) Disputed
1 point

That's funny. Well played.

However, the same accuracy could be claimed while throwing any book at close range, which means either they're all true or they're all no better than kindling.

Side: Bible Is False
9 points

The Bible is the inspired work of God. It is up to you if you believe it or not, but there is evidence.

1) Mount Sinai was found in the exact same place as described in the bible.

2) The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.

3) Dr. Nelson Glueck, probably the greatest modern authority on Israeli archeology, has said: And I quote

"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."

4)The remarkable structure of the Bible should also be stressed. Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

Yes some of these are copied but I wholly believe them as do many other people!!

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AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
7 points

The Bible is the inspired work of God.

So you believe

It is up to you if you believe it or not, but there is evidence.

belief isnt a voluntary act i can control. You or someone else must convince me.

1) Mount Sinai was found in the exact same place as described in the bible.

London was found in the exact same place mentioned in Harry Potter. your point? Ancient people saw a mountain and wrote it down. if you wanna argue about historical places in the bible ill let you win. They existed. doesnt make anything else in the bible true

2) The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.

What no examples? Not that it matters. Again, this is useless. I can write a story in which the main character dies while fighting a dragon lets say. Then i can flip back to the beginning and write in a part where the main character goes to a gypsy who tells him he will die by a dragon. The prophecy was written in to be fullfilled but none of them can actually be proven. Stories are stories not proof. And the biggest one of all was the prediction of jesus's coming right? The whole suffering servant argument? Well no, the suffering servant was the nation of Israel and it says that like 3 sentances later. Thats the biggest prophecy in the bible and its a sham.

3) Dr. Nelson Glueck, probably the greatest modern authority on Israeli archeology, has said: And I quote

"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."

1) but have they successfully excavated or found everything in the bible? no. Only the things theyve looked for have they found such as mountains or cities. Whoopie do, we already knew they existed.

2) again, archaeological digs finding little tidbits from the bible dont prove the supernatural elements. these arguments get you nowhere.

3) on a sidenote, i wonder why youre all so ready to accept THESE archaeological findings but you DONT accept all the hominid fossils supporting evolution that we have found the exact same way. hmmm....

4)The remarkable structure of the Bible should also be stressed.

Why? a books condition says nothing about the truth of its contents. Homers: the odyssey and the Iliad are in remarkable condition and have been expertly preserved and nobody is suggesting those are true

Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years,

more like 400 authors and thats not accounting for the hundreds of scribes who had to copy it by hand thus leaving it open for alterations as well as translators.

it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

No it isnt. its many books about the same topic. There are hundreds of books about dogs, does that mean all of them are one book? No. Different books. same general story. Which is to be expected considering how big the religion is.

As for the consistency part thats a downright lie. The bible is riddled with contradictions whether inside individual books or between multiple books.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

Yes some of these are copied but I wholly believe them as do many other people!!

Theyre all copied. ive heard these same tired arguments a million times as most atheists have. Thats because theres no new arguments from theists. There hasnt been a new argument in ages. You just recycle the same crap back at us over and over. Do yourself a favor and read some arguments from the opposing side and youll see just how weak these arguments are. Just because some big wig apologist told it to you or you read it in a book doesnt make it true

Side: Bible Is False
TheThinker(1697) Disputed
3 points

Yo dawg, Harry Potter is REAL!!!!!!

Side: Bible Is True
tejasss007(3) Disputed
6 points

Factual descriptions don't certify that the supenatural events mentioned in them are true. A Geography textbook too is factual and true...but adding a statement that someone was resurrected doesn't make that statement true.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
6 points

Dr. Nelson Glueck

He is a rabbi, he is not an independent source of information. He will definitely see what he wants to see.

it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.

If that were true, why are there different numbers reported in different versions of the same story. Different writers had slight differences in what they said in the Bible. How is that perfect?

Side: Bible Is False
2 points

Like Warren said. "The Bible is the inspired work of God." I fully believe that the Bible is true, and that it is not not some fantasy book, written millions of years ago.

Side: Bible Is True
3 points

The people that believe the bible is not true do not think it was written millions of years ago. But your profile says you're a 12 year old boy named Madeline, so I guess everyone should cut you a little slack, eh?

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7 points

The bible is true. Jesus did resurrect and still lives. :)

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Intangible(4934) Disputed
2 points

I'm guessing that you saw him do this?

I could write a story book and say that all of it is a true part of history, and then get a large amount of people to agree with me, but does that mean it's true?

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6 points

The Resurrection Happened, and the Bible is true. There's so much evidence. For one, the Bible is the inspired word of God, and is completely reliable.

Side: Bible Is True
7 points

If the "big bang" is what started this world how do you explain all the beauty in everything around you? If what the Bible tells us is true (and it is) A marvelous God created this world and he did it wonderfully!

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5 points

Yup! Just our universe tells us that there's an intelligent designer!

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trumpet_guy(503) Clarified
3 points

Or the big bang lines up with the days of creation

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
3 points

Nonsense and you don't believe it either as I asked Joel if you believe try this test ... Bet you won't ...According to Mark 16:17-18, true believers can drink poison and handle snakes with no ill effects: And these signs will accompany those who believe: ..... But you don't truly believe do you ?

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AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
3 points

Its impossible for a natural occurance to create beauty? Do you think flowers are beautiful? God doesnt bloom every flower. We know exactly how plants grow. Photosynthesis and all kinds of other scientific and natural processes allow flowers to open up their pedals in vibrant colors. We can even control them to produce different flowers with different colors. We can breed them to make new species too. Its all science. no god required. Why would the universe be any different? And if you cant see the beauty in science, physics, space, ect. you live a sad and empty life. I see beauty more deeply than just "Durrr the flower is red, duuurrrrr". i see the red, but i know why its red (the pedals absorb all colors but red so it reflects it back into your eyes), and i see the photosynthesis occuring as light feeds the plant and it syphens water up its roots. Its a miracle right there with no space wizard needed. The world actually becomes really bland when you put god behind it. the real magic is in digging deeper.

Side: Bible Is False
Hellno(17753) Disputed Banned
6 points

LOL! Just how many accounts do you have anyway? It's obvious that these accounts are all the same person trying to convince everyone that there is multiple people that believe the crap you're spewing.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
4 points

Actually, the only people supporting "Bible Is True" is people I know. We all go to the same church. I invited them to the debate. All are good friends.

Side: Bible Is True
Delta(1348) Disputed
5 points

Where's your evidence? You're just saying bible this and bible that without giving any exact information why the bible exist?Support your argument and talk to me again.

Side: Bible Is False
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
5 points

Well, sir, ;) may I ask you a question? Do you believe any of the Bible at all?

Side: Bible Is True
4 points

You can't account for evidence without the Bible.................................

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GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
4 points

Where's the evidence? The only evidence I see, is the Bible itself... and that isn't anything too convincing.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
3 points

The evidence is the Bible, but also a ton of things found by Archaeologists. Including dead sea scrolls, the Bible itself, and other things.

Side: Bible Is True
5 points

It was based on real happenings that were corrupted by counless mistranslation and politics over the centuries that passed.

Side: Bible Is True
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
2 points

Quick question: You believe in the Bible, but you say the Bible was corrupted??

Side: Bible Is True
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
3 points

The corrupted version that we have today does not change the fact that its roots are true and factual

Side: Bible Is False
4 points

Being a Chritian and Catholic I beleive the bible is an embelished account of actual happenings.

Side: Bible Is True
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

I have to tell you, Matt 24 and Luke 17 is clear deception is a HUGE part of the end times. If you are decieved it's actually judgement.

And if you tach others so they stumble, we'll that's even worse!

You may want to rethink what God is actually saying in His Word.

He is pouring out judgement and if you look at

Luke 17

Two in the bed 1 taken 1 left, where are they taken?

Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

34 I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.

36 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.” 37 And answering they *said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

And He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures

will be gathered.”

He has already poured several bowls in Revelations, and already opened many seals!

If you ""can see,"" it's as IF overnight, like a THIEF in the NIGHT

The world changed! And churches " the abomination of desolation" is evident and they are dead men walking and their LIGHTS JUST WENT OUT! And if they don't respond they will be thrown into the sea with a millstone on their necks!

Judgement has come, we are in it! Read and study, if your not born again, sit in front of Him till you are. And ask Him for eyes to see!

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Side: Bible Is False
4 points

It's true.

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4 points

To all those who do not believe the Bible is true, does it really make sense that all this could have been created without God? I mean, look at it. The only explanation modern science has for creation is the Big Bang theory, but it has to do with a time before that, which makes no sense. There has to have been something before that, just going by that theory.Now, does that make sense? The Law of Conservation of Matter states that matter cannot be created or destroyed.That would be the same for energy, if I'm correct, which would mean that the whole theory of the Big Bang is completely wrong, unless something CREATED the energy.

Side: Bible Is True
Dermot(5736) Disputed
3 points

So it's all false ? Ok why don't you go and get your noble prize for disproving the Big Bang theory and wow you proved it so brilliantly ! And hey why don't you ask the clown in the sky to show up for the awards , it should be a great night for you's all ( don't forget to give him a little credit ) .....

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Client444(61) Disputed
4 points

You understand that that is not debating, correct? That's really just refusal of what is true through sarcasm.

Side: Bible Is True
1 point

I have to tell you, Matt 24 and Luke 17 is clear deception is a HUGE part of the end times judgement! Look at His judgement in the prophets and look what Jesus said.

They will stumble at noon, grope like blind men!

Judgement is being delivered over to your own way till it consumes you like a lioness tearing up, and the mind of beasts will be given.

Those who HAVE UNDERSTANDING WILL SHINE LIKE THE SUN AND LEAD MANY TO RIGHTEOUSNESS!

While others will be overcome by the darkness and not even know it till it's too late! It will be like 10 virgins waking up to meet the Bridegroom, 5 will turn their lamps on and burn their lights and set it on for all to see, and 5 will wake without oil "AND GO TO BUY IT, AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT! If you have EARS to HEAR you will have eyes to understand!

If you are decieved it's actually judgement.

And if you tach others so they stumble, we'll that's even worse!

You may want to rethink what God is actually saying in His Word.

He is pouring out judgement and if you look at

Luke 17

Two in the bed 1 taken 1 left, where are they taken?

Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

34 I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.

36 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.” 37 And answering they *said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

And He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures

will be gathered.”

He has already poured several bowls in Revelations, and already opened many seals!

If you ""can see,"" it's as IF overnight, like a THIEF in the NIGHT

The world changed! And churches " the abomination of desolation" is evident and they are dead men walking and their LIGHTS JUST WENT OUT! And if they don't respond they will be thrown into the sea with a millstone on their necks!

Judgement has come, we are in it! Read and study, if your not born again, sit in front of Him till you are. And ask Him for eyes to see!

.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

To all those who do not believe the Bible is true, does it really make sense that all this could have been created without God?

The answer is yes. Are you saying if it can be done without God, God doesn't exist?

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Client444(61) Disputed
4 points

No, I am not, but how in the world do you think it could happen? I mean, energy cannot be made from nothing to something just magically without something else making it, so at one point, something had to have made it, right?

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Thejackster(518) Disputed
1 point

Then what created God? Why don't the same rules apply to him?

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

No clue. Only He can know that. Maybe He has always existed. As a being not created through science, maybe He doesn't have an end. Like He said, He is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, from Everlasting to Everlasting.

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The Bible is he foundation for the laws of logic. The Law of non Contradiction in a law of logic, therefore if the Bible isn't true, the Bible is true.

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I believe it, here is a fake reason to entertain the people who believe it is false.

Enjoy!

"Duh, it says it in the Bible and you can't put anything in the bible that isn't true."

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Seriously though, the bible is the word of truth. I am Christian so I believe that.

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

You don't your only saying it if you did as I asked the others do as your book asks According to Mark 16:17-18, true believers can drink poison and handle snakes with no ill effects: And these signs will accompany those who believe: .... But you don't truly believe Jacob ... Wake up

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3 points

If God wanted you to, yeah, you could. I have no reason to test it, I was never lead by the spirit to do it so.... yeah... If I do that, I'll most likely die....

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Hrchung(23) Disputed
2 points

Hello, that's more like faith than belief. I can believe but have little faith; but you can't not have a belief when you have faith.

Side: Bible Is True
3 points

Also, I do not believe in evolution. Evolution is false, and here's proof. Watch this video.

Evolution vs. God
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Cartman(18192) Disputed
5 points

Saying that evolution is false because you can't see Dinosaurs means you are an idiot. Congratulations. I am sorry I couldn't watch passed the first 4 minutes, but it was pretty obvious that the person making the video was a huge asshole.

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Solomonsston(40) Disputed
3 points
mommybrock Disputed
2 points

plus ur point that u cant see dinosaurs contradicts the point tht u cant see god we have dinosaurs bones u have no proof of god but a bible tht states itself man wrote the passages

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

Actually, I don't want to watch this. I don't know how God created all of this, but it COULD HAVE been evolution. Besides, there are dinosaurs in the Bible, if that is what this is about. Check out http://clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml .

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3 points

As a Christian, I do believe that the Bible is true. I know that much of it is intended to be more symbolic than literal, but I don't think that affects its legitimacy.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

How do you decide which parts are literal and which are symbolic?

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

I don't. I think that the Bible is true. I dunno if any of it is just symbolic. I mean, if there is an omniscient and omnipotent God, why would these things be incapable of happening?

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3 points

Considering that the books of the Bible were written by different people, in different geological locations, at different times, and yet still harmonizes with one another -- one must certainly give it the benefit of the doubt. At the very least.

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1 point

Yes, yes, yes! I agree completely. Even their word choices is so similar, when they are in different places.

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3 points

this bible is true. no matter if you dont believe some parts, a lot of it is obviously true

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3 points

The Bible is a book from God and therefore, is 110 percent accurate of its content.

This is why.

The Bible is a book or a collection of books really that had 40 different writers with different backgrounds living in different times and in many different locations. The earliest writings of the Bible is around 3500 years ago. Although, the writers and the times change one thing that remains consistent is they all claim to have been inspired by God in their works.

In Job 26:7 The earth is decribed as hanging on nothing.

Today it is common knowledge that the earth does indeed hang on nothing, but is being manipulated by the gravity pull of the sun. In those days, mankind did not have the technology to discover this fact.

So how did Job know this when no one else knew? Tell me.

Furthermore, in Isaiah 40:22 the earth is described as a circle. Now hang on! Wasn't Christophor Columbus the one that discovered this scientific fact?

Well sorry to burst you bubble, but Isaiah seems to have won the race thousands of years before Chris C.

Concerning the scientific facts above the Bible seemed to be 100% accurate.

Many prophecies have been foretold by the Bible and all of which have been fulfilled and recorded in the Bible. Now I could post it here but you can just Google it.

The Bible also offers perfect advice for difficulties in life. Now I am sure if you study the Bible more you will see why.

The Bible also never will contradict itself just like God. If you do find something that seems to contradict in the Bible. I am sure if you study it you will find out that they don't.

People who claim that the Bible is false or who do not answer this question with Scripture proof are people who never read or who do not understand the Bible. Yet, they act as if they are experts of the Bible.

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I take from attempting to read some of the arguments of the bible being false, that there are many who either don't read their bibles or are just leaning on what they may have remembered through the years..much of which is based on false teachings and much misrepresentation.

your argument is more than what i wanted to say as it relates to historical undisputed bible facts. 110% factual. but like you know there are those who just like their ears tickled''

some of their arguments are what the bible warns us about'' the philosophy of men'' Mark chapter 7 verse 7 and the traditions' 1 CORINTHIANS chapter 3 verse 19, 20 for the wisdom of this world is foolishness' and Jehovah knows that the reasoning of the wise men are futile'

'when you talked about what was written in the bible book of Isaiah 40' 22 .it clearly proved that Christopher Columbus and those on that voyage did not read the bible''

,It is a pleasure to read and argument like yours especially when you know what you are talking about'' from the greatest source gods word the bible...PROVERBS 3 verse 13 ''happy is the man that has found WISDOM' and the man that gets discernment...

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2 points

IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Bible Is True
4 points

If you only would have used 13 more exclamations, you would have convinced me...

Side: Bible Is False
3 points

IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are your thirteen more

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

God changes his mind - and we are supposed to try to be like God, so I change my mind - you didn't convince me... :)

You should have used 6 less...

Side: Bible Is False
1 point

the 13 more would have made 316 exclamations - and would have been an obvious sign from God that John 3:16 is true.

Instead you only used 303 - which must be an allusion to Room 303 and therefore the Matrix theory must be true... :)

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2 points

Hi,

I'm Joel's Dad and want to let you know he's only 12 years old. I just found out he was posting here a couple days ago. I have not read through all the posts here, so maybe he mentioned that he's only 12, maybe not. In any case, I'm proud of him. He's an amazing kid. Has skipped a grade, can jam on the piano, sing, and act. And he knows the Lord. I probably should have put that first. I just want to say that the biggest problem in this kind of debate is that no amount of argument will convince any unbeliever because they have chosen to believe against evidence. The fact that you spend this much time arguing against something that you say doesn't exist shows you're very biased against that One who DOES exist. God has already spoken to this saying the nations "rage against the Lord and his anointed one (Christ)" (Psalm 2). The unbeliever, by nature, is a "child of wrath" (Ephesians 2) and as opposed to God as Satan. So, you're reactions and dishonesty, and unwillingness to consider the evidence that is mountainous shows that God's word is true about you.

Your conscience (God's moral law within) is a great proof of God, as is the astounding creation and all the inter-relationships of the natural and physical realm, which could never have occurred without the First Cause, God Himself. But you will believe it happened all by itself - well that's not only unscientific, but it's irrational. As for the resurrection, it can be proven along a couple of historical or legal lines of evidence quite soundly. For example, it was proven using the laws of evidence by one of the co-founders of the Harvard Law School, Simon Greenleaf, Jewish man who can to faith THROUGH STUDYING THE GOSPELS' TESTIMONY TO THE EVENT. The slight differences between the gospels are actually credits to their veracity. If they said the same thing at every point it would be said there was collusion (Read Greenleaf on this in "The Testimony of the Evangelists"). In the end, though, evidence is not the problem, as I've noted, it is our bias against God from and selfish, proud, God-hating heart.

There are literally thousands of books and DVDs available by scientists and theologians of the highest quality that know the living God. Have you ever carefully viewed or read any of them? Google can lead you to many of them. Try Westiminster Seminary's bookstore online and go to "apologetics" where sound reasons for believing in the Christian faith can be found. Jason Sarfati, a chess champion, and Phd. scientist wrote a book refuting evolution. There are many more such books. Have any of you, seriously desiring to know the truth, sought God and considered the many resources out there without a mocking, prejudiced spirit? I seriously doubt it.

I know about being personally biased against God, because I once held all the same views you did until I received a new nature - His divine nature - imparted to me in His kindness, as well as forgiveness, 21 years ago.

Your problem is the same as mine (was): 1) selfish nature focused on self, desires, and passions; and 2) pride - an unwillingness to acknowledge the Creator. NO AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE WILL CONVINCE YOU. I've argued unbelievers into a position where they had no arguments left and then, what did they do? They walked away. No repentance, no faith, no knowledge and experience of God. Repentance and faith are gifts of God. May He give them to you. In the meantime, we will debate, but we will also proclaim the living Christ and He will save his chosen ones by His power and grace, even those who argue against Him and resist Him with all their might, like I once did Thankfully, more and more are coming to know Him, and He's still in the saving business for a little while longer.

I hope that some of you will be honest and face your bias and really pursue the Lord and find salvation and true joy and life in Him, the author of joy and life. He says, "seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened to you," (Matthew 7) and "seek the Lord while He may be found." (Isaiah 55) Blessings.

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GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
4 points

What evidence? The Bible? That's just a book. What makes the Bible the one "true" religious text? Is it because there are apparently secular sources who witnessed Jesus' miracles? How about the secular sources who are witnesses to other religions and their miracles? How about all of the sources from the time period who claimed that Jesus was merely a man?

So, you're reactions and dishonesty, and unwillingness to consider the evidence that is mountainous shows that God's word is true about you.

Atheists believe that God doesn't exist, just like you believe he does. How is that being dishonest? We considered the evidence and came to our own conclusions. It's you guys who are afraid to open up to new evidence. Personally, I'm an Agnostic. I believe in the possibility that there is a God, but I don't really buy into the World's religions.

Your conscience (God's moral law within) is a great proof of God

Right, because what can't be explained by science can only be explained by the Christian God? We know more now than we knew back then. At the time that the Bible was written, everyone thought the world was flat. I assume that is why Hell was thought to be below us and Heaven above. They literally thought that Heaven was in the clouds... which obviously isn't true. Our knowledge will continue to grow... the Bible will stay the same. It's extremely ambiguous and people will interpret the verses the way they see fit.

First Cause, God Himself. But you will believe it happened all by itself - well that's not only unscientific, but it's irrational.

It's not so much the belief in God that I find irrational, it's the belief in the Christian, Jewish, or Islamic God. Look at Old Testament... why did God want so many people stoned to death for such irrational reasons? A woman touching a man's testicles during a fight... cut off her hand! A son that is rebellious... stone him to death! A brother who refuses to marry and impregnate his deceased brother's wife... spit on him and punish him! Oh... and he sure didn't like autistic people, despite the "fact" that he created them. But then Christianity came and basically said "ignore that crazy crap... that was the old God. He's different now!". So I guess God mellowed out, maybe he became a Buddhist or something lol... which by the way, Buddhism came before Christianity and Buddha was supposedly born from a virgin... so Christianity didn't introduce the virgin birth.

Anyways, sorry if I offended your son. There is an age limit for people to be on forums like this... 13 years old, I think. His grammar and punctuation is pretty good for a kid his age, so I assumed he was older.

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Thejackster(518) Disputed
0 points

It seems kinda funny that the scientific knowledge contained within the bible is similar to the limited knowledge people at the time had.

Side: Bible Is False
2 points

The Jesus was existing at the past, and that is true. So why wouldn't the bible is true?

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2 points

The Iliad mentions the city of Troy. Troy really existed. Should you believe in all of the Greek gods?

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

Your logic's broken, sir. You might want to fix it. I know this is 70 days later, but I want ot open this debate again.

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Then why would the priests trust the chriest? Bible is 100% true

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The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. It reports supernatural events and the writings are divine rather than human in nature with the names of people and places being cited.

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The Bible is true because it happened as I have said, Israel is the perfect place of an example for the proof of the BIBLE.

read this....

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0293/0293_01.asp

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2 points

The bible is accurate. Simply look at the history of Israel and see how the bible and the facts line up. Other countries also have documents that say events happened which were mentioned in the bible

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2 points

The bible, like many great novels, was not meant to be taken apart . It should be read in chunks. In fact the bible says you should not take sections of the book and use then to your advantage because your cropping out the "unimportant" parts of the bible, when it states that should not be done. When you take sections out of the bible you should quote all of the passages that relate to that certain topic.

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Bible is 100% true .It has the true stories which have occured in the past. In fact,AD and BC occured in the basis of bible.SO WE CAN SAY THAT BIBLE IS 100% TRUE THAN ANY HOLLY BOOKS.

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1 point

I need to clarify, true and false is just a matter of beliefs. No one really 'knows' anything.

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ObamasElf(3) Disputed
2 points

I guess you don't know that then, do you? You walked right into that one. Checkmate, brothah.

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AREKKUSU(275) Disputed
1 point

Not quite. My statement isn't a statement of knowledge, but one of wisdom. Wisdom is to realize what you don't know, or more so, can't know. Quite the opposite of knowledge.

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Why does it have to be all true or all false? Couldn't it contain both truths and falsehoods?

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1 point

Some of us say faith is useless. But in fact FAITH- means the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.

So it means there are things a human can't see in his naked eye.

For example,

*all of us haven't seen our own minds, but we all know that our minds existed because we think.

So it's the same as having Faith that God existed,

and the proof of this is His creation (man, animals, earth, everything).

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Yet we breath and eat out the same hole,choking yeah,god wants us to choke to death

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1 point

Because the Bible has been modified and basically watered down from the time it was originally written, I would say that it is merely 65% accurate.

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Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Then why does the Quran have scientific errors?

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/errors2.asp

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BlackDiamond(2) Disputed
1 point

Direct me to the scientific errors in the book, not from a website someone posted.

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kerenjoani(29) Clarified
1 point

simply... Qur'an have scientific errors because Qur'an is not inspired by GOD, Qur'an is made by Allah.

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pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

Chick? Seriously?

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The Bible is true if someone believes the Bible to be true.

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You may say why doesn't He create some other dynamics. Who's to say another dynamic wouldn't change the result.

He can't change Himself. And if He is pure Light, then no matter what God does Darkness is an impurity to Light, And darkness burns away. Light has to remove darkness.You exist, and are given a life to live according to how you want to live, to form bonds, and memories, and live life as you see fit.

That's a gift, not a curse. The question is do you want to be swallowed up in darkness in the end. As far as eternal torment Saintnow will have me executed a heretic, but I think it ends.

I think there is a resurection to judgement and All will be consumed and there will be tormenting destruction.

And people will mourn the choice, when they see Him, and then will slip into black empiness. I can't really tell you what will happen there. I'm pretty sure what we think we know and what it is are actually not the same thing.

I don't think you can get saved by fearing Hell.

I think you have to love something about the character of God to want to follow. But the character people have painted is far from accurate.

God is preparing the riches of Eternity the gift of Eternal Life to give to a gazillion of His children, who have loved and chosen light over darkness from every generation for 6000 years.

And don't bother with the evolution discussion, a day was not likely

a twenty four hour day. So whatever started it all was still Him, God is the Creator behind whatever, and however He did it. So it really doesn't matter. He is the First and the Last. Whatever it was, He was it!

Starting from Genesis through Revelations, God set up everything from all the main hosts, to all the appointed timelines for everything from beginning to end. Then He let our lives unfold with our free will intact.

For Him to have know your choice ahead of time, you would of had to exist!

And everyone existed, so God doesn't remove people from their life which existed just because He foreknew on their choices would be for darkness, or on account of the choices He knew ahead of you making them. That's absurd. Your life is still a gift. And honestly we don't know what Hell is, if its an eternal burn. Or Eternal death as in burned up and ceasing to exist throughout Eternity.

We just don't know all the answers.

It's so ridiculous, people have these expectations of validity and knowledge that are unreasonable. There is an awful lot of different events to dig for, and many have been confirmed found. But some Muslim countries don't even allow diggers to confirm Biblical facts because of the unrest in those countries.

The dilemmas there in mid east should be proof itself! It's like everyone is skeptical by choice, and that choice is unreasonable, if many indicators exist to confirm things, and many things found, and you still deny the Bible texts because all of it isn't proved, it's as unreasonable as saying we don't believe the Egyptians had a huge work force behind all the pyramids because we can't confirm everything that's hidden in the earth of Egypt. It's foolish and its ignorance of choice!

And He wouldn't and shouldn't decide not to create others because of others choices. Or not give what He prepared as a gift for a gazillion of His children, just because other people make different choices.

Through all the work to its completion, God is rewarding His Work with joy of a full house. He does this huge, elaborate work of over 6000 years of details, planning and orchestrating it all. To do this tranformational feat in us, transferring us from a human nature to a body like when Jesus rose from the dead. Every detail managed and appointed including the Cross and Resurrection. And to have a gazilion Children to to share in all His riches through Eternity.

MATT 14

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.The earth was already dark, void formless, maybe from when Satan fell. So darkness existed as a choice. And darkness overcomes light or light overcomes darkness, but they can't coexist together in the same place. So for now light exists in the darkness, and where light exists, darkness is pushed back.

John 5

16 For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.”

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The Bible is the true Bronze Age testaments and/or records of the human beings living while it was compiled. There are many true accounts and much to be learned from it.

The Bible IS NOT a perfect statement from God with every word infallible nor is it above the influence of the ancient cultures or events happening at the time it was written.

Aspiring to live your life according to the beautiful lessons of love and tolerance in the Bible is a wonderful thing. But insisting every living person must abide by whatever sentences you choose to pluck out of it to thump as mandates that everyone must do that precise thing or else face condemnation is lunacy.

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Maybe God is serious! Maybe God's Word is true!

Ezekiel 38

4 I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords; 5 Persia, Ethiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer with all its troops; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you.

7 “Be prepared, and prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them. 9 You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you.”

10 ‘Thus says the Lord God,

“It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan,

11 and you will say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those

who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates, 12 to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and against the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the center of the world.’

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KNHav(1957) Clarified
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BUT, in the end. He will STILL save His people, and He will destroy again the enemies of His people.

O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal; 2 and I will turn you around, drive you on, take you up from the remotest parts of the north and bring you against the mountains of Israel. 3 I will strike your bow from your left hand and dash down your arrows from your right hand. 4 You will fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you as food to every kind of predatory bird and beast of the field. 5 You will fall on the open field; for it is I who have spoken,” declares the Lord God. 6 “And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety; and they will know that I am the Lord.

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If people have their eyes closed and they can't see, there is no use showing them anything, unless there is something for real in them that says if I see its true I will follow.

If that's not a true statement about you regarding truth, the you should expect to stay blind. And I should expect God to let you stay blind. He doesn't open the eyes to understand to those who choose darkness over Light. Bottom line!

As long as people reject truth, then their hearts will be just like the heart of the pharasees!

Truth and Prophesy stood Eye to Eye and Toe to Toe with them,

and even then, knowing all the texts that told about Him, they STILL STAYED BLIND !

Blind is a choice AT FIRST, but then its a bowl of wrath poured out, as we see in Revelations!

If you choose darkness over Light, He let's a flood of darkness and deception take you away. (Just like a flood, Jesus said His return will be JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH!

So then, the Lights go OUT! In a flood see Luke 17 where the vultures gather!

You know what crazy, Here is a very clear example of it, without even trying hard, Yet this is exactly how blind people are!

The Pharisees were people who memorized the law and the prophets, all Jews did, but especially the religious leaders!

And God told of the Messiah, and they were aware He was coming.

So its not like He surprised them. He didn't hide it then spring it on them, expecting them to be aware without knowing what exactly to look for.

INSTEAD, God wrote and wrote and wrote detail after detail after detail. Explaining everything they needed to know, in order to recognise Him.

But the 1 thing they failed to do was to guard their hearts, and prepare for The visitation of the Messiah they had been told about!

So God told them exactly where He would be born, in whose decendants line, God gave physical details to a T, and told them exactly what He would be doing, and His ultamately end on the cross, and of His Resurection. He told them of His trial, Judas' betrayal, every detail down to His tomb! He even said they would reject Him and kill Him, and scoff and mock.

Now one pharasee wasn't blinded, Nicodemus, and He followed Jesus. All the others, you would think that at some point over the 3.5 years He was in their very faces, under their noses, and out in the open with every detail, you would think after a few months, or maybe a year, they'd say hey, we had this memorized and Jesus looks like everything we knew to look for!

You'd think at least when they got to the trials they would have made SOME KIND OF A CONNECTION! HOW COULD THEY BE THAT BLIND???

Because God sent Jesus to a people whose hearts were darkened, and they couldn't see. And by doing so The Gospel went through all the World to every Nation, and As it is written Abraham through the Seed of Promise, has become a Father to Many Nations. Through promise!

So I think it interesting, many say show me! And I did show, not even intending to show in my answer. Yet most of you, will end up like those blind pharasees, And Gods judgement to you for having a heart that doesn't really want to know, you just might choose to stay blind also! And drink the cup of wrath He is pouring out right now, without even being aware or caring about it.

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The Bible is a computer like written code. Digitalizing our physical existence, and programming full circle beginning to end. And to prove it, pi is right in the 1st verse. Gen 1: 1

I'm amazed at this. And e in John 1: 1 which is in line with exponential growth out to all nations in the era of the new testament.

An alien authored it, coincidences pile to high to dismiss.

If an alien left a document in your attic, how hard would you

look to find it?

After you found it, how hard would you try to decifer it?

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Holy bible is the only pure book among the all religious books in the world... It's 100% true ...IF god is 100% true ..then the same will be for the word of god ... Even the science evolved because of bible... science proves bilble is true..From the smallest of organism to the largest star ....is proven in bible.. what else we need as proof

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Holy bible is the only pure book among the all religious books in the world... It's 100% true ...IF god is 100% true ..then the same will be for the word of god ... Even the science evolved because of bible... science proves bilble is true..From the smallest of organism to the largest star ....is proven in bible.. what else we need as proof

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Holy bible is the only pure book among the all religious books in the world... It's 100% true ...IF god is 100% true ..then the same will be for the word of god ... Even the science evolved because of bible... science proves bilble is true..From the smallest of organism to the largest star ....is proven in bible.. what else we need as proof

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7 points

The bible is historically and scientifically inaccurate, contradictory, and riddled with inconsistencies and promotions of unethical behavior.

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5 points

I find it just as valid of divinity as I do all other sacred texts of divinity. And at this point, I think it's more like Aesop's Fables. As in, I think people wrote it as a way to give answers to people at which they didn't really have, and to make their lives easier to cope with, and even to teach the morals of that time.

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1 point

If there is no divinity, then why do we have a conscience? Why do people feel guilty after doing something bad? I think it's because there is a divinity, and that we are made in its image. We have a sense of right and wrong because we were designed to have one.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
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So your saying people wrote the Bible to make life easier to cope with? The Bible doesn't just contain facts. It contains TRUTH and HISTORY, things that actually happened. Can you give me one reason why the Bible is false? Just one reason?

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Kite626(714) Disputed
5 points

Solomon is correct... Horus was recorded before the bible yet it states the same ideals of the bible.

Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.

Both were baptized at age 30.

Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

Both Anup and John were later beheaded.

Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.

Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.

Both have 12 disciples.

Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.

Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."

Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)

Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu").

Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.

Both were crucified.

Both were crucified next to two thieves.

Both were buried in a tomb.

Yet the bible is indeed written truth...?

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riahlize(1573) Disputed
4 points

So your saying people wrote the Bible to make life easier to cope with?

For their time period. And those who still need that coping mechanism still seem to cling to it. So to answer your question, yes, I think that was one reason why the Bible and other sacred texts or stories were created.

The Bible doesn't just contain facts. It contains TRUTH and HISTORY, things that actually happened.

In the same way that a person may not just lie but create fictional stories to pass off at truth. Oh hey guess what, redundancy! You just said that the Bible doesn't just contain facts.....it also contains facts! Well by golly that certainly convinces me!

Can you give me one reason why the Bible is false? Just one reason?

Just to be clear, I acknowledge that there are accurate statements in the Bible. So I am not claiming the entire Bible is false. However, to give you an example of a statement in the Bible which is inaccurate: Jonah was swallowed by a whale (Matthew: 12:40 KJV). But Jonah 1:17 (KJV) says that Jonah was swallowed by a fish. Whales are not fish, they're marine mammals. So one or both of these statements in the Bible are wrong/false.

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pakicetus(1455) Disputed
2 points

You're the one saying it's rue, you show me how it's correct

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

Yes Joel I can no you's all say you totally believe in the bible as the word of God but backtrack quick enough when asked according to Mark 16:17-18, true believers can drink poison and handle snakes with no ill effects: And these signs will accompany those who believe: ... So bet you won't drink poison even though your protected by your God faith indeed ..... Wake up Joel it's a fairytale

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4 points

It's the copy of many religions such as horus.

.Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan Both were baptized at age 30.

Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

Both Anup and John were later beheaded.

Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.

Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.

Both have 12 disciples.

Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.

Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."

Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)

Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu").

Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.

Both were crucified.

Both were crucified next to two thieves.

Both were buried in a tomb.

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beautifully said. i could not have said it in any other way myself. well done on finding this.

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summer_shepp(3) Disputed
1 point

They may be similar but they are not the same and Horus isn't mentioned in the Bible..

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AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
2 points

Theyre exactly the same almost 100%! And no shit horus isnt mentioned in the bible! You dont plagiarize someone elses story and then write them in as the author.

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Solomonsston(40) Disputed
0 points

its not that they are similar, its that they are identical. plus if your to say Jesus came before the Egyptians, then im sorry but no, you would be wrong. and you are now.

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Hrchung(23) Disputed
1 point

Heh, i don't think there is a place named Bethanu, but there is a place called Bethany, meaning house of misery/poverty.

Claim: Horus was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded.

Truth: Horus was never baptized. While the conspiracy theorists will often point to “Anup the Baptizer” and claim he was later beheaded, there is no such person in Horus’ story.

Claim: Horus had 12 disciples

Truth: Horus had only four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’), but at some point in his story there is reference to sixteen followers, and a group of unnumbered followers who join Horus in battle (called ‘mesnui’). But there’s no reference to twelve followers.

Claim: Horus performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water

Truth: Of course Horus performed miracles, after all he was supposed to be a god!! But there was no mention of exorcizing demons, raising people from the dead or walking on water.

Claim: Horus delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings. He was transfigured on the Mount

Truth: Horus never delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, nor was he transfigured.

Claim: Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected

Truth: Horus is not reported to have died at all in the vast majority of story versions. There is also no crucifixion story. Instead, Horus is usually described as eventually merging with Ra (the Sun god) after which he ‘dies’ and is ‘reborn’ every single day as the sun rises. (This is a bit of a stretch at a death and resurrection parallel). Now there is an unofficial story that describes Horus as dying and being cast in pieces into the water, and later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request.

Blah blah. Yup that's it...

If you want more...tell me.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

You have to be extraordinarily gullible to accept this "Horus-Jesus" comparison, and very stupid to believe it without questioning the source. It is easily debunked.

The Horus-Jesus Myth: Be Critical

Just like the stolen kidney story, the Horus-Jesus connection myth has much of what makes an urban legend appealing: a moral tale that shows how one's gullibility can result in one being taken in with serious consequences, the authoritative yet undefined source, a set of facts that on the surface are seemingly plausible, and the ability to shock others with a sensational revelation. Yet, just like the stolen kidney story, all you need to do is to think a bit and the paper-thin claims of Jesus's stolen resurrection will quickly melt away. Here are five points to consider:

1) Look for Loaded Language

Notice in the Zeitgeist story, all the terms used are ones taken from Christianity. Horus is called a "messiah" and was "baptized." He had "disciples" and a "ministry." All of these terms bias the listener because they are Jewish or Christian concepts. The Egyptians would never use these words to refer to their religious rites. The word messiah had a very specific meaning to the Jews, including being a descendant of David. It wasn't any political figure. Christianity teaches that believers are baptized only once, not simply a pre-religious washing ceremony. By mislabeling other deities with Christian terms, the listener is deluded into believing the similarities are closer than they really are.

2) Ask "Can I read the source of these myths?"

The single easiest way to debunk these supposed parallel accounts of Jesus and Horus are to simply ask for the source text of the myths themselves. Just as the stolen kidney tale can't be verified since it comes from "a friend of a friend," so you'll find that the ancient tales that supposedly parallels the life of Jesus are an extended form of hearsay. In fact, all these claims are usually committing the same sin many atheists claim the Gospels commit: they are more like a game of telephone than real texts.

Interestingly, if anyone actually bothers to look up the source texts, a very different picture arises. For Horus, there's no mention at all of twelve disciples, three king visitations, and death by crucifixion and the three day entombment. In fact, Horus was stung by a scorpion and a magic incantation by the god of wisdom, Thoth, purges the venom from his body. This all happens while Horus was a young child, well before his adulthood and battle for the throne. It's nothing like Jesus's resurrection at all.3

3) Ask "What do you mean by "resurrection?"

There's a significant difference between Jesus's resurrection and what you read in the ancient myths. Osirus, according to a late tradition recorded in the first century AD by the Roman Plutarch, was cut into fourteen pieces by his nemesis Typhon and they were scattered all along the Nile. Osirus's wife Isis was able to gather thirteen of those to reassemble her husband. The tale tells us that unfortunately Osirus's sexual organ was eaten by fish and so Isis assembled another out of gold in order for Osirus to impregnate her with Horus. Osirus, since he will never be a complete being again, now resides as the god of the underworld.4

4) Ask "What do you mean by virgin birth?"

Certainly, given the events above, calling Horus's conception a virgin birth strains the idea to its breaking point. Other fables, such as Zeus impregnating Semele with Dionysus. He had physical relations with her even though she couldn't see him. Zeus took Dionysus ads a fetus and sewed him into his thigh and from there Dionysus was born. To say the virgin birth stories should be considered comparable is itself laughable.

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Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

You should be banned for spamming.

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3 points

There's barely any evidence that Jesus existed, let alone resurrected. Assuming that he was real, it makes more sense that his body was stolen.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
3 points

If his body was stolen, then how did he appear again to his twelve disciples and to many others??

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GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
2 points

That's what the Bible says... that doesn't mean it really happened.

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Intangible(4934) Clarified
2 points

Stolen by and then possessed by Satan? o_o

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GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

I think he was stolen by Santa Claus, who then absorbed his powers.

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3 points

Again you are telling lies about your God he does change his mind look at the examples from his book where he constantly changes his mind , so he is lying as well as you ? It's his book tell me where I'm misquoting ? ... You can't.

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3 points

You keep saying he does not change his mind so your saying your God is a liar ? Because look above at the several examples of where he changes his mind , but you say he does not and yet it's in his book his words so is he lying ?

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2 points

A badly written work of fiction ,dictated by Bronze Age goatherds and it's not even a good story .... He dies in the end..

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
3 points

Dermot, it's not a story. Or not just some story at that. It's a TRUE one. The inspired word of God. You know how I know it's true? I challenge you this: Go to any library, as much library's as you want, and I want you to get me a collection of 66 Books. 66 Books written by several authors. 66 Books written in three different continents. 66 Books that are accurate to history. 66 Books that all have the same theme and point to the one true God. If you can find a collection like that, I would believe that the Bible is false.

Sir, the Bible is real, and I believe EVERYONE believe's He's real. They just don't like that their's a God, so they block him and the Bible and refuse to Believe in Him and the Bible. How do I know that the Bible is true, and that some guys didn't just get together and write some random junk? Well, the Bible was written by SEVERAL authors on different continents. The authors didn't even know each other. They didn't have mail, or anything to come up with a fat lie. The Holy Spirit inspired each author to write this historical events down on paper.

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
2 points

The bible is wrong on nearly everything history ,geography ,science ,also it's full of genocide ,racism , hate , incest a terrible book by all accounts

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AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
2 points

I challenge you this: Go to any library, as much library's as you want, and I want you to get me a collection of 66 Books. 66 Books written by several authors. 66 Books written in three different continents. 66 Books that are accurate to history. 66 Books that all have the same theme and point to the one true God. If you can find a collection like that, I would believe that the Bible is false.

*as many libraries

i can EASILY get you SEVERAL collections of 66 books from almost every branch of science that match your exact qualifications EXCEPT the last one. Why does it have to point to a god? Why does there have to be one at all? and why do these qualifications you made make the bible true? Do authors and places books are written dictate the truth of the content? no. The supporting evidence for the content does. Of which the bible has ZERO.

So go ahead and rub off to the fact that your book is super duper famous and fancy. so its catcher in the rye and the Iliad and nobody suggests those are true.

the Bible is real

i know i have one.

and I believe EVERYONE believe's He's real. They just don't like that their's a God, so they block him and the Bible and refuse to Believe in Him and the Bible

and herein lies the problem. You believe that you know what im thinking. Wtf? youre really gonna tell me what i think? i suggest you get this stupid idea out of your head because i DONT believe in your god at all. i dont hate him or the bible or whatever because theyre FAIRYTALES to me. theyre none of my concern at all except when morons like you and your other evangelist buddies try to tell me what i believe and try to impose your crap on me and on younger kids in schools and such.

If you want anyone to respect you and take you seriously then dont tell them this crap. You dont know shit about what anyone else believes. BUT you can find out. know how? ASK THEM. people will tell you what THEY believe because THEY are experts on the subject. not some old book.

How do I know that the Bible is true, and that some guys didn't just get together and write some random junk?

You dont KNOW anything. you THINK things. And nobody suggesting that some guys just wrote random junk. we do in fact have ideas on why it was written. it did in fact serve an impotant purpose, it just isnt true.

Well, the Bible was written by SEVERAL authors on different continents. The authors didn't even know each other. They didn't have mail, or anything to come up with a fat lie

So a man writing a book on WW2 in the US and another man writting another book on WW2 from Russia and another from Germany and another from France who dont know eachother MUST have been imbuned with the holy spirit to get this information right? Newsflash buddy: monotheistic religion is huge and has been for thousands of years in seperate nations. Stories will be similar and word will spread fast. Christianity in rome took over the empire in a few centuries easy. But i would actually like to know what bible books were written in other continents because ive never heard that before. Christianity is totally local to Isreal and the surrounding area up to Rome later on. Where else did it arise/when and where are you getting your info?

The Holy Spirit inspired each author to write this historical events down on paper

Giant assumption you have nothing to base on. How about: author wrote histotical events down on paper with embelishment from his own theology? Thats a far likelier reason

Side: Bible Is False
trumpet_guy(503) Clarified
2 points

Please clarify which parts are fiction and which parts are fact? And how do you decide which are which?

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

The parts that are fact are the ones that we can verify to be facts. Other things must be taken with a grain of salt as it is unverified. And finally the things that are false are those we can disprove with science: snakes dont talk, fish and bread dont spawn into existence, water doesnt change its molecular composition into wine, animals/humans didnt spawn onto the earth they evolved, two people cant give birth to a whole species, the earth never flooded, ect.

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Hrchung(23) Clarified
1 point

Hello, just commenting as a friend. It's true that not everyone believes that there is a god, because we don't see Him in a physical being. Even people who believe in God or Jesus, like me, often doubt if He is really there, unless they saw a vision of Jesus or were visited by Him.

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Dermot(5736) Clarified
0 points

Hi yes to me the whole book is fiction so there is no point in cherry picking what people think is real or not .... It's a fairytale.

Side: Bible Is True
kerenjoani(29) Disputed
2 points

Are you sure it was badly written? In fact its words are perfectly structured.

Yes he died but he won over Satan.... and this satan is the source of all evil that happened to our world. And because GOD won on that event Satan wants that all people would not believe on him. Now Satan is working on different ways with his deceiving tactics but that would not let satan win over God because God is the MOST powerful.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Doesn't He die in the middle. That's where the story should have ended, but it went on to long. ;)

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
2 points

No. He died, then resurrected. The story continues, to show that he resurrected and was the ultimate sacrifice for our wicked little selves and all our sins, so that we WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO HELL, which is where all the unbeliever's are going. Sir, please put your trust in the one true God you know is real, before judgement day.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

Of course forgive me your correct but I ain't going to read it again to find out , why is God always pissed off?

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summer_shepp(3) Disputed
1 point

After death he rises again. In the END he is coming back and there will be a new heaven and a new earth! It's not fiction and it was written only a few thousand years ago by real people, people who were inspired and walked by God himself! Not to mention it's the best book in the world because it actually happened!

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AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
2 points

evidence.. ? that means other than the bible btw

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

Ok if you believe in that by definition your deluded , and who would want to follow such a thuggish God

Side: Bible Is False
amylynn93(115) Disputed
1 point

Wow, that is so original. I know most of us Christians have never heard a retort like that. Bravo!

Side: Bible Is True

I think we both no that the World wasn't created in 7 days, that the universe isn't a few thousand or so years old, that we aren't all descended from two people called Adam and Eve, that there wasn't a giant flood and some how two of every species of animals on the planet where fitted in one boat.

Side: Bible Is False
CharlieShepp(1) Clarified
1 point

Um no. That's not even an argument. TheEccentric, are you an atheist?

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

Yes, I don't believe in any God only making your own way to happiness (and guiding other's there too) without hoping an invisible sky fairy who controls everything. will do it for you.

Side: Bible Is True
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
1 point

Actually, I KNOW that happened. And everyone knows there is a God. They don't like the fact, so they say they don't believe in Him. Sir, right now, at this very moment, your questioning whether God really is real. Why? Because you know that He is real.

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riahlize(1573) Disputed
2 points

Actually, I KNOW that happened.

How?

And everyone knows there is a God. They don't like the fact, so they say they don't believe in Him. Sir, right now, at this very moment, your questioning whether God really is real. Why? Because you know that He is real.

And everyone knows there is a god. They don't like the fact, so they say they don't believe in Zeus. Sir, right now, at this very moment, your questioning whether Zeus really is real. Why? Because you know that Zeus is real.

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

You. You do not know what you are talking about. If you'd think and actually read, maybe you'd understand. Instead, however, I will try my best to help you. The Bible says that the world was created in seven days. However, it also says in Psalms that time is different to God, going as to say that one day to Him is to 1,000 days to us. Also, how could this population not come from two of the same species? That just makes sense. Logic would state that a human would need another to mate. And, I mean, not every animal is gonna evolve into a man at the same time. It doesn't work like that. There had to be a beggining to the population.

Side: Bible Is True
Hellno(17753) Banned
2 points

This is the sorriest attempt at using multiple accounts I have ever seen on this site... and that says a lot.

Superswimmer

AKA joellee101

AKA CharlieShepp

AKA summershepp

AKA warrenjo

Side: Bible Is False
warrenjo(16) Disputed
3 points

Dude we are all separate accounts!! Charlie, summer, Joel, and I all go to the same church.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

He's telling the truth. We are separate people but we do know each other.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

Complete and utter garbage which contradicts itself constantly, what other book would we allow with so many blatant lies and contradictions here are a couple Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works

Gen 1:31

God is dissatisfied with his works.

Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples

2 Chron 7:12,16

God dwells not in temples

Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light

Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness

1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard

Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/

Ex 24:9-11

God is invisible and cannot be heard

John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests

Ex 31:17

God is never tired and never rests

Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things

Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21

God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all

things

Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men

Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3

God tries men to find out what is in their heart

Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful

Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful

Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable

James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19

God is changeable

Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/

Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial

Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial

Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil

Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil

1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask

James 1:5/ Luke 11:10

God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving

them

John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him

Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17

God is not to be found by those who seek him

Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike

Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15

God is peaceful

Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious

Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19

God is kind, merciful, and good

James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long

Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4

God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute

Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,

sacrifices ,and holy days

Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9

God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,

sacrifices, and holy days.

Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices

2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39

God forbids human sacrifice

Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men

Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13

God tempts no man

James 1:13

20. God cannot lie

Heb 6:18

God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive

2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him

Gen 6:5,7

Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him

Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.

Rom 1:20

God's attributes cannot be discovered

Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God

Deut 6:4

There is a plurality of gods

Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

And that's only the start absolute nonsense of the highest order

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
2 points

When you said "There is a plurality of Gods," I know what you mean, but your wrong. It says, "Let US make man in our image." Well, God, when He said "us," He means "us" as in the Trinity. God the Father, His Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. He wasn't talking about some other random god's/god

Side: Bible Is True
Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

Oh dear your really not very good on your bible Joel , where's I'm an expert chapter and verse , and you have no right to change Gods word and put your own context on them remember he said " change not one iota" but that's ok he forgot to put in unless your Joel well check out what's going to happen you for that sin .. Correcting the word of God oh dear....I do apologise for using the "good book" against you it's a bit unfair , why don't you use science against me ? And I do appreciate the time you take to show what the bible really means according to Joel .

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summer_shepp(3) Disputed
1 point

If you don't believe the Bible how do you know so many passages? The point is to lead people to Christ and purify them in him, so that they may have eternal life in heaven with Jesus. It seems like God's view changes offend, but he knew what was coming when he made the world. He knew Adam and Eve would be tempted by Satan, and he knew the world would have sin. And when it says things like 'Jesus did not go into the temple' that is only to let you know he wasn't still there, or it was not the will of the Father for him to be there then. He doesn't change his mind. He is perfect in character and decisions.

There is 1 God but there is a trinity. The father, the son, and the holy spirit. three in one. It's hard to grasp for some people but you have to have faith.

Side: Bible Is True
AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
5 points

If you don't believe the Bible how do you know so many passages?

Because unlike most christians we've actually read this shit! And its usefull to use in debate against you. And wait, just because we read the bible means we have to believe it? I dont believe harry potter is true but i can recite almost the whole book and movie lines. (oh, fun fact: in a survey taken between christians and atheists, atheists scored FAR higher on biblical knowledge sections AND science than christians)

He knew Adam and Eve would be tempted by Satan, and he knew the world would have sin.

Then why make adam and eve? Why make satan for that matter? In the genesis story there are countless ways to solve the most simple of problems which seem to evade god's empty head.

There is 1 God but there is a trinity. The father, the son, and the holy spirit. three in one. It's hard to grasp for some people but you have to have faith.

ive heard it explained as the phases of water: liquid water, ice, and steam. all one substance with the same chemical composition but all the same.

And sorry, smart people dont believe random stuff from heresay and old books told by guys in fancy dresses and hats. we question things. thats why humanity got this far

Side: Bible Is False
mommybrock Disputed
2 points

u are full of ignorance and immaturity placing ur thought in tht only christians read the bible it is a book and not all non belivers hate christianity they just do not believe and in all onesty it is not ur place to judge if u r christian for it says in the bible to judge ur own christian but not ur own man for that is gods place hunny just read the bible a few more times maybe ull catch that drift of stink weve all already smelled

Side: Bible Is False
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
1 point

Most of the verses listed aren't taken literally. They are a form of speech. For example, "God dwells in light." Yes, He does. Not light, from the Sun or a lamp. "God dwells in darkness," read the passage and CONTEXT. It's literally talking about darkness, as in a dark room.

Side: Bible Is True
Dermot(5736) Disputed
3 points

Again your are disobeying your bible Jesus is very clear on the law but you know more than him so you can change what he said 1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
1 point

Yes, he is seen and heard. at least, He was, Jesus manifested Himself, and took on the form of a human being. God or the Holy Spirit cannot be seen, and is not heard.

Side: Bible Is True
Dermot(5736) Disputed
3 points

You just stated God can't be seen wrong again(Gen. 17:1) – “Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty ; Walk before Me, and be blameless;

(Gen. 18:1) Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”

(Exodus 6:2-3) – “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.” You said God or the Holy Spirit is not seen or heard..... Your book not mine wrong again, sorry Joel using your book you have been wrong every time

Side: Bible Is False
JJL6564(1) Disputed
1 point

Dermot,

Because you are in darkness, you cannot even understand the scriptures. You just go to an atheist web site and cut and paste arguments that are very poor. I can't take time to answer all of these - I've got other things to do - but will answer a few quickly for the sake of the readers so they can see how lacking your understanding of God's word is (but HE did say that these things are spiritually discerned - 1 Corinthians 2:12-16 - and you obviously do not have His Spirit), so I am not surprised at your lack of understanding and God will forgive you if you repent.

1) Gen. 1:31: God is pleased with the perfection He created.

Gen. 6:6: God is grieved at what man has become.

2) 2 Chron. 7:12: God dwells in the Temple of Solomon

Acts 7:48: God has come in Christ and now dwells in his people who are now His temple, not PHYSICAL, inanimate temples (1 Cor. 6:20)

3) 1 Tim 6:16: heavenly light; 1 Kings 8:12: speaking of physical darkness or omnipresence

4) God is seen and heard, etc. : one passage is talking about in his unveiled, total fullness - no, no one has seen that on this side of eternity; seen and heard - in limited forms (check "Angel of the Lord" or a veiled manifestation of God's glory to Moses, or the incarnation of God in Jesus - two different things). Heard now in His word, and as a rule, not audibly (for now!)

5) No, God is not tired - but he rests (Hebrew - ceases activity in one aspect of another - e.g. creation). Also look up anthropomorphisms in a good theology book - you'll learn some things.

6) everywhere present, not everywhere present: Genesis uses anthropomorphisms that in no way undermines Genesis own statements that God is everywhere and see and knows all things. In fact, in Genesis 16, Hagar refers to God as the God who sees (all things) and therefore knows all things. Same author, consistent position. When God manifests in a physical form it in no way limits his omnipresence, but is only a local manifestation of it.

7) Knows the heart/ tries to find out: you have again misunderstood. Knowing the heart is different than continually searching it out (viewing it, considering it, judging it). No contradiction there.

8) All powerful/not all powerful. I'll stop here, because it's getting silly (on your part). The scripture is uniform here. God IS all-powerful. THINK: if God enables the Israelites to take one piece of ground in a battle but not another, logically, it means He empowered them to do the former and not the latter. It says nothing of his own power (e.g. that slew 186,000 Assyrians in a night - Isaiah 37; that made the world and universe! Genesis 1). Are you in a public (Govt.) school? Have you taken any classes on logic?

This is enough to see that you misunderstand and mishandle scripture. The honest (God-seeking) person will see that. I will stop here and wish you the best, Dermot. Blessings to all who read.

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
2 points

Now you see my friend you were doing fine until you got very insulting about what my schooling was , why are all you Christians so unchristian honestly I never get that ? And a little jab about logic ( pretty low ) and cutting and pasting you sign off then with blessings ? You are a pretty despicable person by any standards ,as I said to another " Christian " last night I can out quote any one of you's on theology but like the cowardly dogs you's are you whine it's out of context when you get beaten , your statements actually makes me wonder .... Were your parents siblings ... Blessings

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mommybrock Disputed
2 points

The bible states the lord offers light to those who ask for the same as wisdom i was raised christian and begged for gods light aand never felt comfort... proved the bibles wrong right thereeither tht or gods a liar

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Hrchung(23) Disputed
1 point

Hmm, anybody know how to delete the comment box you created accidentally?

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

First off, I want to say that you copied this list.

Second, I believe most, if not all(I am pretty sure that all are the following), are discussed on carm.org.

Side: Bible Is True
2 points

You cant say 100% one way or the other. Its like if you were to judge a textbook from the 1950s compared to now. Some things would be true and others would be false, not totally one way or the other. However i posted on this side because the amount of false information completely outnumbers the true information. The true stuff is all cultural, for instance when the bible describes what the agriculture at the time was like as well as some historical figures and places. However when we get into the meat of the bible its almost entirely false. The entire bible opperates on the unproven story of genesis which is completely and utterny unscientific and demonstrably false from day 1 to the story of the ark (which is a rip off of the epic of gilgamesh). From then on everything else is undocumented and filled with scientific impossibilities and absurdities throughout including the life of jesus which includes the reserection which is bullshit to put it lightly.

Basically its a book filled with rules that were implanted into a religion so people would follow them and word would get around. it kept people in line in the most primitive manner and anyone from the 21st century should be ashamed that they actually believe any of it, let alone think its actually a necessary tool for developing one's morality.

Side: Bible Is False

Bible is false in my opinion, because I am an Atheist. And Bible teaches me that there are actually people who believe it and count themselves as being clever and doing the right decision by doing so. In my opinion I compare these people to lambs who followed Jesus across the field, but that's just my perspective. - Is Karran true? As well just as the Bible, filled with teachings and philosophies. Incompetent opinion but that's what I think about it. And you may think different. Just because we have different opinions on something majority is agnostic about, makes me wrong? - My advises are: 1) Answer yes. 2) And keep your believes to yourself. - If you are really religious, keep it to yourself in order to achieve something for yourself through it rather than sharing how happy Christianity made you. Different Religions for different people to achieve their own happiness. And I, like nothing else to do, feel happy for the achievers who don't wait for a miracle but make the actions to realize their desires.

Side: Bible Is False
2 points

so a magic man in the sky was floating around in the abyss of nothing and after about 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 or so on years of contemplating said "Im gonna create a universe today." so he took only a day to create all the infinite stars and galaxies in the cosmos but decided to take 3 days to create a small insignificant speck of a dust ball called earth, then he said let there be light (apparently somehow before he made the sun), and created all the animals of the world (interestingly only naming the ones that were known to people of the region in which this fable started) and then decided to create a creature in his own image, then he made an apple tree for soley the reason to forbid humans to eat from it... yea sounds about right, then after years of screwing up he decided to save his creations from the pit of fire that he himself created and could probably easily just destroy with his godly abilities, he instead decides he will send his only son (even though being god, it seems odd how he could only have one son) to be tortured to death and then ascend to heaven to rule over them........ sounds reasonable enough

Side: Bible Is False
2 points

To all you christians in this debate, in almost all of your arguments on here you simply say you believe in the bible because of your "faith". Thats not a sound argument, how is it any different from a muslim declaring the Koran is true?

Side: Bible Is False
2 points

see in religion the bible stated tht u are nothing he is everything heaven is not a place for ur joy but his joy and honestly is just u doing for him none for urself there is no reward in it and ur god threatens u in the bible with an inferno if he honestly wanted us to not think of ourselves then why again wuld he say to love ourselves in this text by itself why wuld god have created us with need and want wen we were built only for his pleasure plz thnk

Side: Bible Is False
1 point

Instead of taking the rout in which i express i'm right through no evidence, i'll take another. Both sides belief and dis belief have no true evidence once thinking about it. Rather than proving what is right and what is wrong, we should see if we would follow a god if hypothetically correctly spoken. The story of job indicates a god in which plays with the life of an innocent by standard. Ezequil describes to the critique of understandably of aliens. I feel like whether it is true or not is irrelevant. If god is an almighty god he will understand you if you pursue him through truth. I myself believe in god but not religion.

Side: Bible Is False
joel_lee101(6) Disputed
2 points

Christianity is not a religion. Why? Because it's the only 1 true way to get to Heaven, and the only true explanation of everything.

Side: Bible Is True
Kite626(714) Disputed
2 points

If it's not a religion and if it does in fact explain everything to a rationale stand point, clarify. What is the explanation it gives? How does a man made creation exemplify an almighty god through our mere words. His "greatness," shouldn't be able to be depicted through mortal words.

Side: Bible Is False
Thejackster(518) Disputed
2 points

how is your claim any more credible than the claim of a muslim that the Koran is the only 1 true way to get to heaven? any evidence to show that your claim is superior to all other different religious claims?

Side: Bible Is False
1 point

I agree on that. Some people called themselves Christian but the true Christians are those who believes God. And to share it to other people.

Side: Bible Is True
1 point

the bible is bullshit lies written by demons to scare people into being zombie ass slaves

Side: Bible Is False
summer_shepp(3) Disputed
2 points

It was written by disciples who walked with God, and the point isn't to turn people into zombies. The point is to lead people to Christ and purify them in him, so that they may have eternal life in heaven with Jesus. It seems like God's view changes offend, but he knew it was coming when he made the world. He knew Adam and Eve would be tempted by Satan, and he knew the world would have sin. And when it says things like 'Jesus did not go into the temple' that is only to let you know he wasn't still there, or it was not the will of the Father for him to be there then. He doesn't change his mind. He is perfect in character and decisions.

Side: Bible Is True
Dermot(5736) Disputed
2 points

Because why talk about something if you have no knowledge of it , it is full of contradictions from start to finish yet you choose to believe it ? And your wrong he changes his mind all the time so you are telling lies about your God ,why don't you read all the contradictions at the end of this debate and then tell me he does not change his mind your wrong .... Again

Side: Bible Is False
Dermot(5736) Disputed
2 points

Because why talk about something if you have no knowledge of it , it is full of contradictions from start to finish yet you choose to believe it ? And your wrong he changes his mind all the time so you are telling lies about your God ,why don't you read all the contradictions at the end of this debate and then tell me he does not change his mind your wrong .... Again

Side: Bible Is False
kerenjoani(29) Disputed
1 point

What are your proofs that the BIBLE is written by demons? The Bible itself spoke against demons and that one day God will destroy ALL of them because they are the cause why people didn't believe GOD.

Side: Bible Is True

Totally fake. In fact its been copied like a million times over from the Egyptians

Side: Bible Is False
Hrchung(23) Disputed
1 point

Haha, wrong information! Whether, we believe it's fake or not, being copied million times over and over doesn't mean it's fake. Historians, believers or not, all say 99% of the bible is copied exactly the same. Dude, they even have some of the original scriptures. I'm just saying, think of the possibility ;).

Side: Bible Is True
Solomonsston(40) Disputed
3 points

the idea of it is very real. but the actuality is not. some guy in heaven. the concept is just child like. if i tell every one the sun revolves around the world ppl would believe me. and they would past that IDEA down in history. until someone questions it. i think that happened before.

religion is not much more then an over glorification of foolish people trying to justify there wrongs.

i repeat.

the idea is true but the reality of it is not.

every one says they all want to go to heaven but look at who is filling that space. justified rapists and god killing thugs. how is something so openly wrong, right??

historians are told a story that was given to them.

the jewish history came before the christian one and it is copied form it (the large points at least) and yet the Christians are automatically right?

Jesus like i said before was not much more then a copy of horus the Egyptian god. so if its a copy of another religion (two and maybe more) how is it real?

whats the defining moment in history that makes your story better then a man with a chicken head any better?

i ask anyone who is reading this.

if you can not remove yourself from the religious text, and find a way to disprove your own religion, what good are you doing to your family?

make the argument or morals and guidance

sure you have SOME morals like not to steal and to treat people the way you want to be treated.

BUT then it goes and says you can kill millions for they are in your land and its a god given right to have it (on both sides). raping some cute girl you had a crush on just so you can marry her. giving money to a lazy person. who does nothing but sit on his or her ass saying that all that is good and that you should pay them to tell you a story and have them live by it. this system prompts lazy people. they think to solve one of the worlds biggest problems you would have to kill off half of the population so they can be happy.

is that really something you want your family to live by?

i think at the time when we could not communicate with other people when it was just the few people. it was god but not now.

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Yea, it's true. The main reason why they copied it is to preserve it and also to translate it.

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Your really not very good on the bible are you Joel ? You constantly misquote , deliberately lie , and change the word which I have showed you is a sin which will earn you hellfire , remember .... Change not one iota .. His words , you have never read the bible this I know , I am an expert in the bible and can quote chapter and verse most atheists can because we destroy you's with your own garbage . And this final weak argument about the trinity again you don't know what your talking about , why not research your bible first ?...... I see elsewhere on site you say you don't believe all the bible , well now there's a special place for you according to God , he say's the whole of the word has to be accepted , but maybe Im taking that out of context ...

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
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The reason you think your "contradictions" are "contradictions" is because your taking some things literally, when they shouldn't be, and somethings not literally, when they should be. How do I distinguish literal speech from speech that isn't literal? I READ THE CONTEXT. BUT YOU DON'T.

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
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Sorry Joel I apologise I didn't realise I was talking to someone with your poor educational skills , you seem to find reading especially difficult and I'm sorry I used big words , you seem to know what parts to take literally or not now that's a special gift not even God has but again you know better than God ... Don't you ....,

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see in this argument its the basis of human need of understanding what they know they will never understand and people who accept that they are not all knowing the bible has good morals even is a good read ive read it three times myself but in that instance i do not agree that it is the truth i apologize if i cause any offense cuz its not meant but there are many contradictions in the begining of the bible it says that the devil was thrown to earth before man as a serpant in revelations it says he came in the begging as a woman gave birth as a dragon it also mentions in the bible that to kill in any form is one of the greatest sins yet god praises david for murdering goliath not only killing him but severing his head it says that a witch whom stands on holy ground will burn and i am wiccan and have stood on holy ground many times the need to clutch to a religion is because we are a curiouse conceited people belivin that we can find anything in truth but honestly there are some things we will never truly know such as how we got here which is not ohnestly needed to be known

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kerenjoani(29) Disputed
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Yes, it is true that murdering/killing is the greatest sin.

In the story of David killing Goliath, David didn't do sin towards God on that because God use David to kill the giant because this giant is defying God. God is all powerful and just and righteous and perfect, and has his right to do anything he wished to do to those evil person like Goliath. David was only his servant, used by God to help and protect his people from enemies.

In speaking of Revelation if you trully meditate GOD's WORD you will trully understand. And by the way the words that were in the REVELATION is not literal in meaning.

Do you know Revelation has many words/phrases that were FIGURATIVE SPEECH.

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mommybrock Disputed
2 points

So. Ifgod is perfect and one of the greatest sins is murder or killing then is he nkt a sinner for murdering or leading a man to murder another

Side: Bible Is False
mommybrock Disputed
1 point

so if the bible says god hates hipocracy yet he tells us we cannot kill yet he uses us to kill is tht in itself not hipocracy making him what he hates

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1 point

even in siminary classes they tell u things not to teach in church because they cause contraversy the cannons were taken out because poeple did not agree with them in honesty if the bible were true it wuld have been made correctly the first time and wuld not need changes such as the woman prophet or lilith and such were taken from it

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kerenjoani(29) Disputed
1 point

Those persons you say who wouldn't like those things that are in the BIBLE to be taught in churches.... they are the ones who were afraid that the BIBLE will correct them. And also when they taught those words to those people they will be hurt and get angry. But the truth is the BIBLE is for reproof and for correction to those people who are living in sin and were under SATAN. If trully they cared for their fellows they choose to hurt them with truth rather saying them only "good things" that are pleasing to their ears that will tolerate their sin and sin will trully lead them to destruction.

You know what if you have a friend who does wrong things you really like to correct your friend because you know he's gotten into a big trouble. You would do things and explain to him about the situation and lead your friend to the right path. But there are times your friend got angry to what you have said, but later on he'll realize that he's wrong.

So it's like the Bible. Because God wants us to correct our doings he use HIS WORD-the BIBLE. We'll there are things the Bible says are hurtful to our ears but we must accept that because we are all sinners, we sometimes make and decided things not in the right manner. And because God loves each one of us and doesn't want us to have ruined lives.

In speaking of people didn't want to agree with the Bible. People didn't want to agree with the Bible because they didn't want to leave his sins. And sin is tempting, at first it looks good but at the end it destroys every thing.

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KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

1st of all the Bible already tells of all these religions, and they are part of prophesies in judgement.

The Bible is clear on this subject. I'm surprised more people aren't aware.

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1 point

Hey guys..... how do you make a cult into a religion?.... (scroll for the answer

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Give it a book and call it the bible.

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Client444(61) Disputed
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Lol, like Mormonism? 'Cause Christianity and Judaism are not cults.

Side: Bible Is True
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Christianity and Judaism are not cults

What do you use to distinguish Christianity and Judaism from cults?

Side: Bible Is False
1 point

Anyone who thinks the Bible is true clearly isn't intelligent enough to be on this site. Of course it's not true. And most of it is outrageous and homophobic and incestous.

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Client444(61) Disputed
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You think illogically. If you were intelligent, you would understand the science behind why people shouldn't be homosexual, and understand how a God would feel about someone being homosexual. I don't think He'd like it. He creates a woman for Man, and Man wants a guy? I don't think that'd go over very well.

So, how would it be outrageous that a God who has ultimate power to do anything? God's definition would be that He can do anything. Also, about your incestuous comment. When the population is the size as it was then, it is semi-hard to avoid incest.

So, now you have the burden of proof: Why is it of course that the Bible is not true?

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Client444(61) Clarified
1 point

Also, I want to point out that I'm not a homophobe. I just don't think that God would like homosexuality.

Also want to point out that right now, if anyone has sex, it is technically incest. It is impossible that the human race came from more than two of the same species. So, we are all descendants of those two. We're all related.

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I don't think He'd like it.

I believe you would agree that the bible asserts that everyone is a sinner.

He creates a woman for Man

from Genesis 2:

God says, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

Then God makes all of the animals.

A suitable helper for Adam was not found so God makes woman...

Do you think God was ok giving man all the animals to fulfill the role of woman, but that not that it's ok for a man to love another man?

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1 point

If you were intelligent, you would understand the science behind why people shouldn't be homosexual

What explanation would you give for examples of homosexuality among non-humans?

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1 point

The bible is about 97% myth using historical history as its backdrop. The flood, god killing the entire world, the Egyptians and the plagues and the entire list goes on. If a man named Jesus went to any Church today and kicked out or harassed the bingo game players or carnival goers, he would be branded as a terrorist and confined to prison for 20 years.If you tell a Christian that Jesus swallowed the whale, they would believe that too!

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1 point

hevan and hell are both made for "gods" pleasure it says in heaven there will not be things for man to pleasure us tht we must be selfless because were there to do nothing but praise o wat an amazing reward right well anyways and then hell is where he sends all the creations he didnt like to be cursed tormented and pained because most of them had either too much understanding or not enough for his liking i dont believe in the bible but tht god sounds messed up and very conceited i mean my child will never be punished for ignorance :) especially not eternally which was a lie as well because in revelations it says after the devil rules for a thousand years and heaven rules for a thousand years god will renew the world and start things over again giving all souls another chance so theres another contradiction for all u bible lovers

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Client444(61) Disputed
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First: I know this is kinda rude, but could you please use better grammar?

Second: God created Man. Satan, one of God's angels, did not like this and decided to go against God and tempt Man. So, God created a place for Satan to reside, as God cannot be around unholiness(described in many books, especially when the Israelites were with God while wandering). Now, Satan resides in Hell now. And He gets the unholy souls when they die. Why? Because God cannot be with them. Not because God is conceited and punishes ignorance. In fact, I don't know what happens to ignorant people who have never heard the Gospel.

Now, about your "contradiction": I think what happens there is that after God renews the Earth, Satan lost control of the world. This means that there is no longer sin, and only holiness. Maybe he still has control over Hell, but nothing else. In that case it is eternal. carm.org has a good article on this, as well as many of the other "contradictions" that you guys have thought to exist.

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Dudes Bible is freaking false. Many of the Bibles stories comes from Egyptian and Greek Mythology. Then the Messiah story is the Same story as Horus and Hercules. To top it off the main Hero and Villains doesn't have specific names. The God is called God. Doesn't even have a name. That's the same thing as a 7 year old making a superhero called "Hero". Then their devil is called devil. Same thing as a Villain called Villain. Also if God is so good, why does he hates Gays. The Bible was written by a Homophobe. It says that a man Being gay is a sin, but why doesn't it say anything about lesbians. If god hates Homosexuality, why did he make bonobos who are are naturally and born bisexual.

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Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

If you actually researched, as I have, you would realize that the stories in the Bible actually DO NOT come from a bunch of other religions. (Hercules? Really? Research a little.) Besides, calling a god God is actually more powerful than another name. It implies that this is the real God.

You must not have read any of the New Testament. In the Old Testament, God defines sin and the punishment for sin. All sin is the same to Him. Even though He hates sin, He hates no man. In fact, the Devil probably hates gays. Not God. God gave His Son so that the people who have sinned could be with Him in Heaven, and not be punished for their sins.

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1 point

In the Bible, God says that if we pray in Jesus's name, our prayer shall come true without any restrictions whatsoever. Yet, some prayers never even come true.

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Even though it is the most famous book, it's also the most inaccurate. All the stories sounds like it came from a child's imagination. Science disproves all the Bullshit that the bible feeds into the minds.

One word, EVOLUTION!!!

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1 point

I know for sure the bible is written by normal people, I'm not going to force anyone to believe it, but I don't believe in the whole idea of christianity- just because it seems ridiculous to me. I don't think the people who do are christians are stupid, no, most of the time they are very loving people (as long as they leave others alone in their beliefs).

Most of the things in the bible seem stupid to me and that's the main reason.

Side: Bible Is False
1 point

The bible is FALSE.

Here is just one example of many:

Noah's Ark, is an impossibility. First off there were supposedly 7 pairs of clean and 2 pairs of unclean animals on the ark. Ask a ship builder, giving them the dimensions stated for the ark in the bible and they would tell you that with all those animals on board, the ship would have capsized. There was NO possible way to fit all those animals on the ark.

Secondly talk to a vet or a person in animal husbandry. The fumes alone from all the urine would have killed Noah and his family. Ammonia is one of the most deadly, toxic fumes known to man. The amount of the ammonia fumes alone would have killed the family.

Then you have the manure. That the fumes from this would have blown up the ship. See there was NO electricity on the supposed ark, they would have had to use torches, open flame to light their way. Think of Timothy McVeigh and what happened in Oklahoma? That was in effect a manure bomb, and the same kind of explosion that happened there would have happened on that ark.

Next you have the feeding of all these animals to overcome. There was no Walmart, there was no Blue service. How would you feed all these animals for the supposed 40 days and nights it rained, let alone all that time they waited for the waters to recede? Also logically, how do you keep the animals from eating each other?

Now you also have the problem of the dove returning with the olive branch. The world was supposedly flooded out. The plants would have been completely crushed under the weight of all that water. It would have also been salt water, which would have killed off all plants on the dry earth, because these plants are not designed to survive in such a salty way. So how the heck could the dove bring back an olive branch?

Side: Bible Is False
1 point

The Bible contains SOME things which are true (indeed there is a blend of history and culture and identities of people who actually lived). And there are good lessons in many of the parables of the Bible. But it is neither absolute in its truth or direct from the mouth of a God:

1) It has many authors, all human. Some probably inauthentic (by ghost writers, or teams of believers)

2) It demonstrates the legal, ethical, and cultural biases from the times of those authors. Not all those past practices or beliefs are relevant to modern society.

3) It has many versions, from different translations to books included or dropped depending on the branch of religion referencing it.

4) None of the New Testament was directly written or narrated by Jesus Christ himself. I'll expand more on this below.

5) All the miracles are heresay.

6) The claims of virgin birth and rising from the dead are by eyewitnesses within the religion who had vested interests in promoting such claims.

Going back to #4 - The New Testament scriptures were not written the moment after Christ died. They were spread over many years, allegedly by his apostles though we can't really prove all were, and they have a tone of believe or you'll be sorry because both those apostles and the fledgling church were being persecuted to stamp them out. And when you consider that even in a highly literate society like ours today the ability of people to directly recall exactly what was said in a conversation years ago is bogus at best. If 10 years from now both the pro and con writers on this debate were asked to recall from memory exactly what had been written we would all have dramatically different accounts of the discussion, of what actually was said, and what the take away message was. Yet, when a jailed apostle writes such an account years after Christ's death the literalists take every word as verbatim exactly what was said and happened and are ready to shape their entire modern existence around as little as one sentence from that apostle. That's incredibly naive.

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0 points

He obviously just had a twin brother that was cleverly left out of the story.

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
0 points

Did you get that idea from a religion, or did you make it up? If you made it up, then it could be false. If you got it from a religion, then how do you know the religion is true? It could be false!

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Intangible(4934) Disputed
1 point

Everything is "made up"; therefore everything could be false.

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0 points

If you got it from a religion, then how do you know the religion is true? It could be false

THANK YOU. Right from the horse's mouth too. Ask yourself this same question buddy and suddenly us unbelievers (who still somewho believe) wont look so strange and deluded

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ANOTHER THING:

I know A TON of stories where people have tried everything: money, drugs, girls, everything in the "fast life." Eventually, that person's life fell apart, and the 'said' person of story even tried going to different churches: catholic, greek orthodox, all that stuff. BUT none of it made his life right and the 'said' person still felt hopeless. BUT what did they eventually turn to? GOD!! CHRISTIANITY!! I haven't heard even ONE story where someone's life was hopeless, and they turned to, say, Catholicism and they were happy again!

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

The last refuge of a lunatic is always religion that's why druggies , alcoholics , gamblers turn to God, no and of course no one can be happy unless it's your brand of Christianity , so you never heard of someone turning to Catholicism and being happy and of course you have asked loads and they all told you how unhappy they were ? Ok .... And you know the way you keep changing Gods words and saying it's not all literal I think God disagree's but hey Joel is better than God

5“Every word of God is flawless;

he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

6Do not add to his words,

or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

So Joel even your own God thinks your a liar

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joel_lee101(6) Disputed
1 point

People have turned to Catholicism and where "happy" for a period of time. Then they fall apart again.

There's no other way to say this so: Your blinded by your sin, Dermot. You can't correctly interpret the Bible. You keep thinking things are "contradictions" whereas if you knew God, and knew the Bible you would see, that they aren't contradictions.

I've lied, which makes me a liar. So, yes, I am a lyer. But God put my sin on Jesus when He died so I wouldn't have to go to Hell. Thank God for that. :D

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1 point

I have a good example of a person who is like that. Mr. Alberto Rivera. please click this link you'll be inspired of his life.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Rivera

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