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Right-Wing Fascism: Abortion in Cases of Rape

The GOP approved it's re-affirmed stance against a woman's right to an abortion even in cases of rape or incest.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/g-o-p-approves-strict-anti-abortion-language-in-party-platform/

 

Do you agree with the Republican Party's stance to re-affirm it's denial of rights to rape victims? 

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Side Score: 7
2 points

I'm against abortion being illegal, but it makes perfectly logical sense to say that if you're against abortion, you'd be against it even in the cases of rape and incest.

So I'm okay with that stance. I, personally, believe in absolutely NO legislation against ANY abortion. But the morality of abortion is basically this: you're against it because you believe it is murder. Why is rape or incest a hall-pass to murder? What makes that the exception to the rule?

Side: Pro
Apollo(1608) Disputed
1 point

So you disagree with the position, yet you are posting on the 'Pro' side.....?

You then promote an argument you don't agree with.

And you are making this about logical consistency of the position (not what the debate is about), why not address the logical incosistency of being pro-life but pro-war and pro- death penalty?

Or the logical inconsistency of using the childish "murder" argument when abortions are often used when the fetus has died in the womb already?

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On a side note, I have noticed you constantly feel the need to disagree with me on issues we agree on.

Side: Con
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
2 points

So you disagree with the position, yet you are posting on the 'Pro' side.....?

I don't care much for sides. I chose this side so that my argument could be read.

You then promote an argument you don't agree with.

I'm sure that I'm truly making a difference.

why not address the logical incosistency of being pro-life but pro-war and pro- death penalty?

Logically inconsistent to say "don't kill innocent babies, but kill those who threaten your life or have already murdered someone else?" Not really.

Or the logical inconsistency of using the childish "murder" argument when abortions are often used when the fetus has died in the womb already?

I don't think they're saying removing a baby that died naturally is wrong. Now, maybe some are, but I'm merely addressing their views on killing an unborn child.

On a side note, I have noticed you constantly feel the need to disagree with me on issues we agree on.

I just think that you're paranoid. I don't even remember the last time I disputed you on anything.

Hell, I didn't even dispute you recently until now just because you disputed me.

Side: Pro
1 point

Why is it so surprising? This standpoint is logically consistent.

How can republicans talk about the sancity of life and then say: ''Oh, well humans conceived by rape have no right to life eventhough they are innocent, this also applies to incestuous children etc.'' If they did that, then any self-respecting democrat would call them out on hypocrisy, double standards and intellectual dishonesty.

Side: Pro
1 point

Your rapist impregnated you? You didn't raise that! Oh...wait...yes you did. Because the GOP fascists mandated that you did.

Honestly, which is worse? Being forced to have sex or being forced to support, birth, and raise your rapists child regardless of age, emotional state, financial state, or capacity to raise a child by threat of violating the GOP's religious will?

Side: Con
1 point

You obviously don't know what fascism is... And secondly abortion isn't a religious issue, the only religious argument for abortion being illegal is "thou shall not kill" other than that its all scientific and scientists have been able to find no proof that the baby isn't alive till birth.

Side: Con

Agreed, calling American conservatives fascists is absurdly retarded and blissfully ignorant.

Side: Con

It doesn't matter how the baby got there, the child is still alive, if you want to punish the rapist, go ahead, but don't kill the innocent baby that didn't do anything wrong. ALso if abortion were made illegal except for in cases of rape, you know how many women would call false flag rapes? Alot would, so babies would still be killed AND men who really didn't do anything wrong would be locked up to.

Side: Con
modorichie(152) Disputed
1 point

I'm not sure I'm clear as to whats going on but correct me if I'm wrong.

If you have consesual sex with some one, you are responsible for the welfare of that child for at least 18 years and quite possible more depending on the choices they make in life, eg college or other things that help them in life. However if I have non consensual sex with someone then I will get on average 6 years in prison, 4 with good behavor. but the victom will be FORCED to go through a nine month pregnancy, then 18+ years of, single handed parenting, financial hardship, a constant reminder of the incident, stigma of been an unmarried mother or even worse a partner who will also be FORCED to deal with the incident (although with that sort of a strain on a marriage who knows).

Punish the rapist!! That's a joke.

Side: Con
1 point

Well first off, you don't have to keep the child, you can put it up for adoption or give it away. Secondly, do you know what they do to sex offenders in prison, especially rapists? Obviously not or you wouldn't think punishing the rapists was a joke. But never the less all of this is sad, but it is not an argument for ending a baby's life, no matter what argument you make for how the women is being punished your still arguing for the death of a baby which is not justifiable.

Side: Pro

Rape is a criminal offense. No rape victim should be coerced to have a baby.

Side: Con