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Debate Score:192
Arguments:98
Total Votes:218
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SHOULD ANY SPORT THAT INVOVES THE KILLING OF ANIMALS BE BANNED?

SHOULD ACTIVIES SUCH AS FISHING AND HUNTING BE BANNED ON THE GROUNDS OF ANIMAL CRUELTY?

YES

Side Score: 92
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NO

Side Score: 100

Absolutely. Causing harm to a sentient being is fun or fulfilling? That's absurd.

Side: yes
Republican2(349) Disputed
2 points

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence that animals are sentient. In face all evidence we have suggest the opposite. Just because some of them look like us doesn't mean they are self aware.

Side: No
3 points

That is very, very wrong. That is so absolutely and unbelievably wrong. An animal is sentient if it can feel or perceive things.

Non-human animals can feel pain, fear, joy, anxiety, anger, even jealousy! As for animals that are self-aware, we know that humans are self-aware, as well as apes, dolphins, and elephants (all of which can recognize themselves in a mirror).

Side: yes
1 point

i say NO because hunting is nit just a sport some people hunt to feed their families

Side: YES
5 points

Killing other sentient beings just for fun is barbaric. It shows our lack of compassion and perhaps reflects the way we cherish other human beings too.

Side: yes
Republican2(349) Disputed
2 points

You misunderstand the word sentient (or you're just a nut). the definition of sentient is "Having the ability to think, feel, and perceive subjectively". Animals do not have this higher consciousness. Just because the emulate human behaviors does not make them sentient.

Side: No
4 points

Yes, killing animals for fun is cruel. It also worries me when I am around people who take so much pleasure in killing things. First its starts at animals, usually it will stay there, but then again maybe it will go to humans. What about if someone, who was a little twisted, went hunting and they accidentally or purposely killed your pet such as your dog or horse? I doubt you would respond, "Hey at least you had fun."

A person who takes pleasure in such dominating power because they are able, as in killing a "lesser" creature, is not someone I would respect.

I'm not sure about fishing for sport. It looks like it could be painful to the fish. I mean if someone stuck a hook in your cheek it would be painful, but its ok because it would heal. If all the other sports that kill or seriously harm animals were banned except sport fishing i would be happy enough.

Side: yes

I completely agree with your argument, except...

if someone stuck a hook in your cheek it would be painful, but its ok because it would heal

Wait. So because it'll heal, that makes it alright? Or what? I'm confused.

Side: yes
2 points

I was being sarcastic in response to dallowar's argument: "In a great majority of cases you can catch a fish and release it without serious or long lasting harm".

I took that as meaning that it is ok to do harm to something as long as it's not fatal or long lasting. So i applied that logic to humans to point out how stupid i think it is.

I probably should have commented under that post instead. However, i feel that a lot of people hold that belief and thus i wanted to comment on people in general instead of focus on dallowar.

Side: yes
3 points

Meh.. fishing I don't know

But hunting is kinda fucked up. I'd like to hunt the people who go around hunting them. Then what would they say?

Side: yes
3 points

I'd like to hunt the people who go around hunting them. Then what would they say?

As Jean-Claude Van Damme. He knows all about that.

Side: yes
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
3 points

Murder:

Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

You are committing murder.

Something that they DIDN'T do.

Side: No
Kinda(1649) Disputed
2 points

IDC.. lol. That's not the point is it.

The point is.. if they do something that causes needless pain and suffering for their own enjoyment.. then I should as well. FUCK WHAT THE LAW SAYS..

Side: yes
3 points

What kind of a "sport" is it when a person takes a gun and goes about shooting an unarmed creature ? What kind of a pleasure does it give the so called "sportman" ? Like the games people play "let jim, james, harry and I go and lick tom ", killing animals is at best a cowardly and selfish act. I can understand the killing of animals for food, which, though is odd in a civilized society, is a hangover from the days of the cave man and we have to go still some distance in abandoning our natural instinct of killing for power.

No, i strongly urge that there should be a ban on any killing of animals and especially for sport.

Side: yes
2 points

Whatever happened to the law against cruelty to animals? Duh they should be banned it is a violation of the law.

Side: yes
2 points

Yes. If it is for fun. If its a necessity then, you can kill animals. Animals feel as much pain as we do.

Side: yes
Republican2(349) Disputed
1 point

It is a chemical response in their brains. they are not aware of it as we are. They are not sentient.

Side: No
2 points

It is murder; simply as that.................................................

Side: yes
2 points

No, it's not murder. Murder is when one human being kills another human being on purpose, and last time I checked animals are not human beings.

I don't doubt that 99% of people on this site eat beef.

In the Bible, After the flood, God gave the animals as food for humanity to eat (Genesis 9).

Side: No
ricedaragh(2497) Disputed
2 points

In the bible God gave humanity animals to eat before the flood. the question i would ask you is why did god kill all the other animals that were on the earth surely this was a complete and utter disregard for every living creature on the planet including all the children and mentally ill that perished along with them.

Side: No
2 points

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!IT SHOULD BE BANNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what if you were that animal, then you just got shot or sliced or whatever? isn't that just cruel? killing animals for sport!?!? THAT IS JUST RUDE! RIDICULING MOTHER NATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: yes
2 points

Killing for fun is not only wasteful of life it is morally wrong. Killing for a reason is a different matter all together. Hunting for food and clothing is a natural thing it has been done since the dawn of life or soon enough thereafter. Killing animals for medicinal reasons I belive is an extension of that, and killing for pest control is another.

Side: yes
2 points

Lets look at this topic from thee animal's perspective. Say you, a deer, are on your way home to feed your two children, when, suddenly, a gray ball hits you in the head. Cheers ring out in praise of Jim Henson's "nice shot". He yells "that hit's worth four points." How disguisting. Death, Desolation, murder, slaughter, mixed in with a bit of blood and gore, all for a few points and a day's entertainment. Those who belive in this mos vile "sport" disguist me. Those who cheer death and praise the unneccessary shedding of blood are a most loathsome lot.

Side: yes
2 points

I think sports including cruelty to animals should be banned cuz animals do have feeling too, though they are not much intelligent

Supporting Evidence: bull fighting (www.worsleyschool.net)
Side: yes
2 points

50 points if you slaughter bambi!! now you think differently about it right?

Side: YES
1 point

fishing really is the only "sport" that i would accept. Hunting, bullfighting, and stuff like that, seem a bit too violent to me.

Side: yes
kamranw(232) Disputed
3 points

Really? And why exactly would you accept fishing? People need to calm down! Its just hunting! Its a sport and its all in good fun.

Side: No
1 point

Really? All in good fun? I'm not too sure the one being hunted would agree.

Side: yes

Animals should not have to suffer. I am against animal cruelty.

Side: YES
5 points

No, killing animals can often be fun. And we've done it for thousands of years as a means of survival. Now we do it for entertainment, but the act is the same.

Torturing animals, though, is different. It never helped us survive (unless you're a Pagan) so there's no reason to see it as part of normal, human instinct.

But killing lesser species is part of our very nature. and, as I said, it's a fun thing to do.

Side: No
4 points

Besides, we're all a part of the circle of life. It's a natural human instinct to hunt for food. We're predators, and some people think that's too mortifying to think about, but there was a time when it was eat or be eaten. We're animals at heart. So why shouldn't we have the freedom to act like them?

Side: No
psychicbug(4) Disputed
2 points

Animals don't kill for fun. Animals kill for survival. We, on the other hand, are special in the sense that we actually have a choice. We can decide not to cause pain, we can even decide not to eat meat.

Side: yes
2 points

no because some people hunt to feed their families plus hunting is a fun sport

Side: NO
Elvira(3445) Disputed
1 point

What do you mean, unless you're pagan???

And killing anything for such an unjustified reason is wrong.

Side: YES
Cuaroc(8828) Clarified
1 point

He probably meant that pagans believe that if they don't sacrifice animals bad things will happen.

Side: YES
0 points

You know what's also fun? Killing hobos. I mean, they're lesser.

(Now is when the sarcasm font would come in handy....)

Side: yes
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
3 points

Hobos are also human, so they are not lesser.

duh.

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Side: No
5 points

nooo. hunting is a way to get food and survive. as well as fishing. If you abuse it and dont eat the fish you kill then i dont think its right but other than that there is no problem with it

Side: No
5 points

I don't have a problem with hunting or fishing, as long as the animal isn't being beat with a club or bled to death or something cruel, and as long as we're not causing the extinction of that species.

I do have a problem calling them a sport though. That's bs and I think hunters and fishers know it.

Side: No
3 points

I agree with the first part, but I know that when I fish with my grandparents we do it just to eat- fishing is BORING, but fresh fish is delicious! So, just saying...

Side: No
3 points

I'm with you on this. Hunting and fishing are okay as long as there is no torture involved or wiping out a species, which basically is just not braking the law while hunting.

And it's not really a sport. 20 points if you kill a deer! rofl.

Side: No
p8208(2) Disputed
1 point

you need to decide what side your on. you assume hunting and fishing involve torture or wiping out species, when there is no reason to make that leap.

and hunting is a sport. it requires skill and mental and physical prowess. try it.

Side: YES
5 points

IMO, animals do NOT have the same rights as humans. If a person is hunting, kills an animal, skins it and eats it, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Animal torture is wrong, though.

Side: No
3 points

Fishing doesn't have to cause harm to animals, and hunting can be a way of survival. What we can do is try to understand why some people find fun, entertainment and satisfaction in killing animals. And lock 'em up until we find a cure...

Side: No
3 points

(a) How does fishing not cause harm to animals?

(b) Yes, hunting can be a means of survival, but the question asked about killing for sport.

Side: yes
dallowar(33) Disputed
2 points

a) In a great majority of cases you can catch a fish and release it without serious or long lasting harm. I slipped some adjectives in there to avoid wasting time in defining 'harm'. I just don't think you'll find many antisocial, potentially criminal, probably mentally ill people doing sport fishing.

b) Yeah... But the description says 'activities'. Anyway, both questions are bogus. Killing animals in itself is not the problem. They taste good, they carry diseases, they destroy crops... You can think of a lot of reasons where exercising our species supremacy would be ok. The real problem is that some people find pleasure, satisfaction and fun in taking a life. You can't solve that problem by banning a sport. If anything you'll just make test subjects for finding a cure harder to find...

Side: No
3 points

I personally believe population control is very important.

Side: No
3 points

i don't get it! either you kill or not, it is going to die some or the other day! then why fear?

Side: No
3 points

Hunting has been a sport and a way to survive for thousands of years. We use hunting as a way to maintain a propor food chain, like if there is too many of one kind of animal in a small area we lower its population by hunting. Some people like eating fresh meat from the animals they hunted instead of meat thats been sitting in the freezer for who knows how long. Hunting is a part of life for people why stop now just becuase you think its wrong.

Side: No
2 points

Hunting and fishing are often for food. They should be banned for sport if the species are threatened, but otherwise most large game doesn't have any natural predators left- they need people as population control. Fisheries should be more controlled either way, for sport or not. However, killing animals humanely isn't inherently wrong, especially if it's better than the alternative.

Side: No
2 points

Fishing and hunting=good. I don't know anything about fishing. Hunting is fun and profitable.

Side: No
ta9798(316) Disputed
1 point

You could be helpful and actually offer a rebuttal instead of just down voting my argument because you don't agree with it.

I'm down voting your argument, if you want to call it such, because there isn't any. Also i have noticed that you down vote many arguments that are pro-animal rights or pro-vegetarian without any decent rebuttal, with the only apparent reason being that you don't agree with the opinion.

Side: yes
2 points

with the loss of natural predators hunting is the only realistic way to keep animal populations in check. look at deer in the united states. if hunting didn't help keep their numbers down they would overpopulate and die from starvation, auto accidents and possibly even poisoning when they invade gardens and farms looking for that diminished food supply.

Side: NO
1 point

I'm okay if you decide not hunt (or fish) but don't you dare make it illegal for me to have a wonderful time with my family and friends, provide for them, see a beautiful landscape,and just plain have fun, cause that's what hunting really is.

If you've never been to a hunt, then go to one, even if you don't see anything, you will probably have a great time.

The best day of my life was at a hunt.

Side: NO
1 point

Without hunting the population of animals would decrease dramatically. If we don't go kill those deer, then they'll eat all the grass, if they eat all the grass, then there's no more, if there's no grass, then all the deer DIE.

We're just part of the lifecycle.

And besides, hunters give more money to wildlife organizations, than others. All the money used in buying hunting licenses, tags, and a lot of other stuff too, goes to wildlife organizations, the same goes for fishing.

Side: NO
1 point

I completely agree with hunting and fishing, in fact I love to hunt and fish, UNLESS you don't take the food, when you hunt ( or fish) you should try to take as much meat as possible, if you just go into a forest, shoot a deer and leave it there, that is WRONG!

Side: NO