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Satan is as fake as god!!!!!!

Yes Side Score: 51		No Side Score: 23
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Del1176 (4974)

8 points

If there is no God, there is no Satan.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Srom (12206)

5 points

You have a point there.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Clarified

1 point

And after some up-votes I have a few more.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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RandomDude (1286) Disputed

1 point

DUH Jackass!!!!! There isnt either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11 years ago Side: No

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Del1176 (4974) Clarified

2 points

Perhaps, perhaps not.

I am agnostic in terms of certainty.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

1 point

Do you switch religious views on a weekly basis or something? And which type of agnostic are you? TAP or PAP? As in, do you just not know if there is a god or you believe that the truth about god is unknowable period? Both are totally pointless and if you've gone as far to be agnostic then you might as well go full atheist which still is a position where you can say there's a possibility god exists. It's just infanitesimally small.

11 years ago Side: No

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

AGNOSTIC SATANIC DEIST HAPPY TO MEET YOU (jk I hate you).

11 years ago Side: Yes

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

1 point

You either dont know what these words mean or are just stupid.

Agnostic means that you either dont know whether god is real or not, or that his existence is unknowable. Satanic implies that you follow some sort of satanic code which i know you do so youre justified in that. But deist means that you do believe in a generic god that created the basic universe. This has NO relation to christianity in any way and certainly does not imply God or Satan.

So what you just said you are is that:

You dont know what you believe in but i follow satanism and i believe in a generic creator". That is a big fat contradiction.

11 years ago Side: No

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

I am not a Christian Satanist and I don't know why you think that I am.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

1 point

I never said you were. I was just explaining how you CANT be an agnostic deist...I dont know what you are, but it isnt that. Because it is impossible. Also im assuming that you are a christian satanist because youre always arguing for god/satans existance as if you know it to be true. An agnostic or deist wouldnt do that based on the definitions of those words which you clearly dont know

11 years ago Side: No

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

I am an agnostic Satanic Deist.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

1 point

Agnostic- One who is UNSURE of the existence of God (Ie: they dont believe in one)

Satanic- Having satanic philosophy or believing in satan

Deist- belief in a general creator god of the universe unrelated to any religion.

Those statements contradict eachother. Youve mixed beliefs with the unsurance of belief. That doesnt work You cant be unsure of something existing but be sure that its either Satan or a general god. And if you do believe in Satan then you cant believe in a general god of deism. They contradict in multiple ways.

Agnostic Satanic Deist is impossible to be if you know what the definitions of those words are. You have to either lose the deist part or agnostic part for it to make sense and THEN you have to specify that you have satanic philosophy and not belief in satan.

11 years ago Side: No

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Smarlen (48) Disputed

2 points

I cannot understand you. You called Prodegee as Jackass, but you repeated his words. He said that Satan canot be exist without God and you said "there is not either". It is the same, and your words must support "Yes" opinion

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Smarlen (48)

1 point

Yes, you are right. But my opinion, maybe, some differ from your words. I think that Satan is angry God. God is calm Satan.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Cartman (18192) Disputed

2 points

God is calm Satan

Which one drowned the entire world in a massive flood because He was pissed off at what His creations had been doing?

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

Satan is nothing like God.

Don't ever speak to me again if you are going to say such atrocious things.

11 years ago Side: No

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Quocalimar (6470)

2 points

Technically yes. Given that we haven't disproved God completely we don't know if he exists or not, but he would be just as real or fake as God in our lack of evidence for both existing or not.

Just like how a microwave is just as fake as a toaster. We know both exist making them both as real, and fake as one another.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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LizziexLaura (4278)

2 points

Yes. They are based off of the same proposed belief system. Most logically by studying a tad bit of science his existence is automatically rendered null and void.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

I disagree.

11 years ago Side: No

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LizziexLaura (4278) Disputed

2 points

I know :)

11 years ago Side: Yes

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

1 point

Again, if you're agnostic why are you now proposing he is real with certainty? .

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

WITH 50% CERTAINTY YES.

11 years ago Side: No

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

2 points

You have a deluded assumption that the current standing of certainty is that it is 50% possible that he is true and 50% possible that he is false. That they are equal possibilities. This is absolutely false. The real estimated ratio is like 1%-99% possibility that he is false to true. There is no reason based on the evidence we have today to think that it is equally possible for him to be real or fake. Dawkins goes into great detail in this in his book the God Delusion which you should know. So im assuming you lied to me and either didnt read it or didnt pay very good attention.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

Dawkins is a great writer... Of twisting the truth. ;)

11 years ago Side: No

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

2 points

How did he twist the truth? Give me one solid example and you're off the hook and ill eat my words. go ahead

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

Prodigee: "So Dawkins does God exist?"

Dawkins: "I haven't a clue. However, I have absolutely no reason to believe that such a being does."

Prodigee: "So Dawkins why not?"

Dawkins: "There is absolutely ne need for a creator in this remarkable universe for all atheists to see, admire and adore."

Prodigee: "So then why is a creator required for a God?"

Dawkins: "God is an entity, but space and time are boundless concepts beyond human comprehension of infinity."

Prodigee: "Do space and time exist?"

Dawkins: "Oh yes, definitely."

Prodigee: "But isn't it true that there is absolutely no proof that they exist beyond our perception, which is identical to the case of God?"

Dawkins: "Oh Prodigee... You are making me blush..."

11 years ago Side: No

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

1 point

What the fuck was that?

1) "then why is a creator required for a god?"

What kind of a question is that?

2) Dawkins would NOT say that space and time are concepts beyond human comprehension because we understand them very well.

3) There is no proof for time because it is what we call the phenomena of progressing...well...time. It isnt a tangible force or a thing. And space is right above our atmosphere. Its called a vaccum and we understand it very well.

4) The assertion that space and time are equal to the theory of the abrahamic god creation is absolutely foolish and completely unequal.

Youre an idiot. Also might i add that this didnt even answer my request. Dawkins (or whatever you just made up here) did not even twist the truth in any way. You just "proved him wrong" well you actually didnt. This example is trash

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

3 and 4 are the reason that you will never be a competent debater.

They are just blind assertions.

As for 1, I don't understand the question about my question.

As for 2, Dawkins admitted it because he knows the truth.

11 years ago Side: No

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AveSatanas (4443) Disputed

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3 is an explaination of how youve misused time and space in your supposed argument based on what they are.

4 is a completely justified statement and i didnt think i had to explain it but here you go:

We KNOW space is actually existent and time is based in reality. God is a completely absurd, unscientific, unsupported, physically impossible creation story with zero evidence of being true. One is true for sure, the other has zero proof. Therfore, unequal.

Also might i add that your statement circles back around to you. Those were blind assertions.

1) the question was random. Dawkins never said anything along the lines of god needing a creator, then you suddenly asked why he needed one.

2) You made this whole shit up. That wasnt quotes from Dawkins at all

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Vermink (1944)

1 point

Well yeah one cannot be there with out the other as simple as that.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Del1176 (4974) Disputed

1 point

God can exist without Satan, not the reverse.

11 years ago Side: No

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Vermink (1944) Disputed

1 point

How so if god wasn't real how could satan be created because there would be no god to send him to hell. God would also be nothing without satan because the. He would have nothing to prevent people from sin.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Smarlen (48) Disputed

1 point

You are wrong. Belief in the God becomes more weaken. It gets increased, only if the Satan will do bad things)). Power of God depends on power of Satan.

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Mushinronsha (53)

1 point

They are pretty much same thing .

10 years ago Side: Yes

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bemagic15 (531)

1 point

I can here Prodigee getting angry I suggest deleting this debate quick

11 years ago Side: No

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RandomDude (1286) Disputed

1 point

WHAT? I aint scared of stupid prodigy! satan is as fake as god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11 years ago Side: Yes

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bemagic15 (531) Clarified

1 point

Ohhhhhhhh, I'm telling on you!!!!! JK

11 years ago Side: Yes

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Sitara (11080) Disputed

1 point

You know that you are scared of Prodigee. ;)

11 years ago Side: No

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Elvira (3446)

1 point

They are both a big mix up. One may be 'more real' than the other, I don't know as the entire christian belief system is a big mess of different beliefs and deities all tangled together.

11 years ago Side: No

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Smarlen (48)

1 point

Sorry, Please, participate on this debate

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ The AfghanistanGovernmentisagainstimprovingofwomens_rights#arg0

10 years ago Side: No

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Intangible (4934)

1 point

That may not be true, because what if only Satan exists and he's the one that runs this shit? You can't really know.

10 years ago Side: No

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