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Science and Religion are not mutually exclusive.

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4 points

What do you mean by mutually exclusive? Of course people can believe inreligion and still be a scientist. You however cannot really combine science and religion, the closest you can come to is having religion motivate you as a scientist. The reason science and religion have such an opposition to each other is because how they work. You simply don't apply the same reasoning to religion as one does to science. Science is based on evidence, where as religion is based on faith. You would not use the reasoning behind religion for science, it would get you nowhere.

Side: Agree
3 points

There have been some great scientists who were also deeply religous even members of the clergy, some of the ancient religions were based on the Science of the day for instance Taoism incorporated Alchemy, if it was a new religion today it would be thought of as a Religion that incorporates Physics and Chemistry. I think it is quite easy to balance religous and scientific views and dont think the two are mutually exclusive, the only people who believe they are, are the ones who have allowed their minds to be shackled by their religion or some people who have no religion or beliefs

Side: Agree
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

Most of those great scientist who were religious ...had to be religious or die or be fired. Alchemy is more magic than Chemistry.

Side: Disagree.
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
2 points

Im not just talking dark ages ever heard of Monsigneur Georges Lemaitre the first person to propose the theory that became known as the Big Bang Theory, Charles Darwin was deeply religous when he came up with the theory of evolution neither of these guys were under threat of death or being fired if they weren't religous, Darwin did eventually become an Atheist but still had great respect for the Church and supported his local church until his death.

In the modern day Alchemy is thought of as magic but was basically a mixture of the Sciences, remember when the original Taoists were searching for a way to live forever there was no such thing as Biology, Physics and Chemistry in China they described themselves as Alchemists but how would you describe mixing different elements together causing an explosion? What is it if not Chemistry? Or do you believe Gunpowder is a magic potion?

Side: Agree
Axmeister(4322) Disputed
1 point

Yet do you not agree that nearly all the scientists in the modern day have to renounce religious beliefs to get anywhere?

Side: Agree
Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
1 point

Hah! You're not speaking of the "great modern scientist", though. Why not? You're using what happened many years ago and stamping it with no credibility, only naming that those "great scientists" had to be religious or get fired. I find that somewhat to be accounted for considering the obvious situations and circumstances that took place, however, to even say that "most" of them "had" to...nah, do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars...

Side: Agree
Fact(44) Disputed
1 point

Thousands of years of war and divide leading millions if not billions to their death over filthy religious foundations of factually proven lies and we still have people clinging to religion like a dung beetle clings to it's food all the while continuing to demonstrate ignorance towards what fact has already proven because lets face it ignorance is religions "ONLY" defense. Lets take a look into the shame of those who continue to degrade themselves by claiming to be religious.

Everything in the bible (or any other book of any other religion for that matter) aside from the fundamental lie of that religion was stolen from society, from the paranormal, from the Earth itself, from the dead and from the living. the religious steal every name they like to attribute what they steal to their foundation of factually proven lies, They steal the cross from the dead and try to attribute it to their foundation of lies.

A thousands years before some human carved out of stone what they call the ten commandments, do you think that you would want your possessions stolen, your family killed etc. Long before some guy got what the religious call crucified, the cross was used to mark a grave of the dead simply because if you see a stick poking out of the ground you may not think much of it but if you see another stick fixed crossing it you would then recognize the significance of a grave for thousands of years before some guy got crucified then they with a stolen cross use it to propagate their religious foundations of lies.

The religious steal everything they can from society, every story within any religious scripture etc. is stolen from society and is sickly twisted with lies to propagate that religions foundation of lies.

The religious steal Morality from humans and still to this day they attempt to attribute what they steal from us to their sickly devised foundations of factually proven lies.

These are the tools that the selfish and the greedy use to take advantage of those from a time of weakness for power and control over the many.

What was your weakness, were you an innocent little baby? Did you just lose a loved one? Were you lonely? Were you homeless or starving was you time of weakness when the religious preyed upon you? Did you just get raped? Did you just get in or out of jail?~ could be a time of weakness for some. Did you see some eye candy walk into some religious filth hole? the list goes on.

It is sickening, it has make the world sick for thousands of years and it has got to stop so that we may all then finally move on after thousands of years of war and divide leading to the death of millions if not billions over nothing more than foolish pathetic yet deceptive filthy religious factually proven foundations of lies.

The foundation of every religion is some ridiculous story about how everything came to be. Again I will include the non contestable factual information that proves every religion is based upon a foundation of lies within this very article.

The non contestable factual evidence which proves the foundation of every religion is based upon lies with an additional paragraph for support:

It takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter, not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness and not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness which is proof that energy matter and time always was, is and always will be because the only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs and that is because energy matter and time are always present. Nothing is able to come into existence, let alone be able to process a thought or put that thought into motion via action without there first be the energy matter and time it takes to re create energy and matter which proves that there is no such thing as a god. (foundation of religion is some ridiculous story of how we / everything came to be!

Which is the very non contestable evidence which not only so easily proves that there is no such thing as a god, but that the very foundation / fundamental of every religion is based upon lies.

At best there is some alien life form [of which again "For anything to first develop intelligence, or come into existence to develop an intelligence, or use that intelligence come up with a plan or put that plan into motion (to first be able to create / re create) it takes three things, it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter."] taking credit for what even created it thus proving again this alien is no more than a liar for taking credit for what even created it / us and everything throughout the universe in it's present form!

Praying or worshiping is a disgusting sign of ignorance towards respecting your environments for what they do or do not provide for you. All these people of all of these religions who's fundamental is a lie known as god pray to or worship this lie/god thus acknowledging that they also believe that this lie/god has intellect to be able to understand worship or prayers to begin with. Yet for anything to first come into existence to be able to develop an intellect or to use that intellect to put a plan into motion thus re create with the energy and matter already present, it first takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter for any of this to first occur because again not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness and not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness.

Paragraph for support:

I have noticed that upon several occasions during interaction with people on various web sites that immediately after reading that which has already been shared, they then have the nerve to ignore that which was already in what they just read and ask me well where did energy and matter come from then? The answer as already revealed within that very demonstration: Proof that energy matter and time always was, is and always will be is that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Again not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness and not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness. You want to contest any of this as fact then quite simply share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness or just one factual example of anything that exists going poof into nothingness. No one ever will share even one example and I know this quite simply because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter!

Just because we all suffered war and divide over filthy religious lies for thousands of years because previous generations were too ignorant too address this problem appropriately doesn't mean we have to drag our future generations down / dump this garbage on them! Our future generations deserve better as does all life on this planet that ever existed!

The question is do you value lies more than you value life, and if you value life than you must realize that the only place for religion is in the garbage.

Remember, if you decide to continue to cling to religion like a dung beetle clings to it's food just remember you encourage lies and deception for power and control over the many from a time of weakness which has lead the globe to war and divide for thousands of years and yes again to the death of millions if not billions over pathetic filthy lies, but me I am not weak and I see through all the fundamental lies of all / every religion and that is just for starters. Go ahead read up on some articles I have written in my profile.

Earth, everyone's mother. We all share the same umbilical chord to her via we sleep, eat, drink, live, keep entertained or busy on her in reflection of the Sun my brothers and my sisters of the sweet landscapes and waterways of Earth

Side: Disagree.
1 point

Science is the process that determines fact. Through the process of science formulas are created. those formulas are the end result that become fact. For example, nuclear bomb, car, harnessing electricity, television, computers etc.

All these people who have been disillusioned with the rhetoric of science vs religion are just encouraging religious deceptions. Fact vs religion and it's no contest and again fact is the end result of scientific process.

Facts are not believed, they are either recognized or ignored.

Religions are based upon factually proven foundations of lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions over thousands of years.

Thousands of years of war and divide leading millions if not billions to their death over filthy religious foundations of factually proven lies and we still have people clinging to religion like a dung beetle clings to it's food all the while continuing to demonstrate ignorance towards what fact has already proven because lets face it ignorance is religions "ONLY" defense. Lets take a look into the shame of those who continue to degrade themselves by claiming to be religious.

Everything in the bible (or any other book of any other religion for that matter) aside from the fundamental lie of that religion was stolen from society, from the paranormal, from the Earth itself, from the dead and from the living. the religious steal every name they like to attribute what they steal to their foundation of factually proven lies, They steal the cross from the dead and try to attribute it to their foundation of lies.

A thousands years before some human carved out of stone what they call the ten commandments, do you think that you would want your possessions stolen, your family killed etc. Long before some guy got what the religious call crucified, the cross was used to mark a grave of the dead simply because if you see a stick poking out of the ground you may not think much of it but if you see another stick fixed crossing it you would then recognize the significance of a grave for thousands of years before some guy got crucified then they with a stolen cross use it to propagate their religious foundations of lies.

The religious steal everything they can from society, every story within any religious scripture etc. is stolen from society and is sickly twisted with lies to propagate that religions foundation of lies.

The religious steal Morality from humans and still to this day they attempt to attribute what they steal from us to their sickly devised foundations of factually proven lies.

These are the tools that the selfish and the greedy use to take advantage of those from a time of weakness for power and control over the many.

What was your weakness, were you an innocent little baby? Did you just lose a loved one? Were you lonely? Were you homeless or starving was you time of weakness when the religious preyed upon you? Did you just get raped? Did you just get in or out of jail?~ could be a time of weakness for some. Did you see some eye candy walk into some religious filth hole? the list goes on.

It is sickening, it has make the world sick for thousands of years and it has got to stop so that we may all then finally move on after thousands of years of war and divide leading to the death of millions if not billions over nothing more than foolish pathetic yet deceptive filthy religious factually proven foundations of lies.

The foundation of every religion is some ridiculous story about how everything came to be. Again I will include the non contestable factual information that proves every religion is based upon a foundation of lies within this very article.

The non contestable factual evidence which proves the foundation of every religion is based upon lies with an additional paragraph for support:

It takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter, not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness and not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness which is proof that energy matter and time always was, is and always will be because the only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs and that is because energy matter and time are always present. Nothing is able to come into existence, let alone be able to process a thought or put that thought into motion via action without there first be the energy matter and time it takes to re create energy and matter which proves that there is no such thing as a god. (foundation of religion is some ridiculous story of how we / everything came to be!

Which is the very non contestable evidence which not only so easily proves that there is no such thing as a god, but that the very foundation / fundamental of every religion is based upon lies.

At best there is some alien life form [of which again "For anything to first develop intelligence, or come into existence to develop an intelligence, or use that intelligence come up with a plan or put that plan into motion (to first be able to create / re create) it takes three things, it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter."] taking credit for what even created it thus proving again this alien is no more than a liar for taking credit for what even created it / us and everything throughout the universe in it's present form!

Praying or worshiping is a disgusting sign of ignorance towards respecting your environments for what they do or do not provide for you. All these people of all of these religions who's fundamental is a lie known as god pray to or worship this lie/god thus acknowledging that they also believe that this lie/god has intellect to be able to understand worship or prayers to begin with. Yet for anything to first come into existence to be able to develop an intellect or to use that intellect to put a plan into motion thus re create with the energy and matter already present, it first takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter for any of this to first occur because again not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness and not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness.

Paragraph for support:

I have noticed that upon several occasions during interaction with people on various web sites that immediately after reading that which has already been shared, they then have the nerve to ignore that which was already in what they just read and ask me well where did energy and matter come from then? The answer as already revealed within that very demonstration: Proof that energy matter and time always was, is and always will be is that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Again not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness and not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness. You want to contest any of this as fact then quite simply share one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness or just one factual example of anything that exists going poof into nothingness. No one ever will share even one example and I know this quite simply because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter!

Just because we all suffered war and divide over filthy religious lies for thousands of years because previous generations were too ignorant too address this problem appropriately doesn't mean we have to drag our future generations down / dump this garbage on them! Our future generations deserve better as does all life on this planet that ever existed!

The question is do you value lies more than you value life, and if you value life than you must realize that the only place for religion is in the garbage.

Remember, if you decide to continue to cling to religion like a dung beetle clings to it's food just remember you encourage lies and deception for power and control over the many from a time of weakness which has lead the globe to war and divide for thousands of years and yes again to the death of millions if not billions over pathetic filthy lies, but me I am not weak and I see through all the fundamental lies of all / every religion and that is just for starters. Go ahead read up on some articles I have written in my profile.

Earth, everyone's mother. We all share the same umbilical chord to her via we sleep, eat, drink, live, keep entertained or busy on her in reflection of the Sun my brothers and my sisters of the sweet landscapes and waterways of Earth

Side: Agree
2 points

When people say that science and religion are mutually exclusive, they are stating that religious fundamentalism and scientific process are mutually exclusive. The laws that dictate one are in direct contradiction of the laws which dictate the other. The bible exclaims specifically, time and again, that those who do not live their lives as mandated by it will burn for eternity. The Qur'an makes similar proclamations for Islam. Both lay claim to the souls of man for God or Allah, respectively, in this life and the next. One cannot be correct as long as the other is (fundamentally). Both also demand faith in an extraordinary claim and provide inadequate evidence on which to base this faith. Scientific process is the act of theorizing and making conclusions based on evidence, and the more of it, the better. Speculation has little place in the scientific process unless there are substantial, often mathematical, supports backing it. Religion is based on speculation. Facts and hard evidence have illuminated more likely processes to the ways of the actual, natural world than any of the suggestions religion has put forward. They are incompatible. Religion is based on speculation and blind faith. Science is based on developing ideas around factual evidence. Religion demands that it is the only way. Science has PROVEN that there are others. Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

Side: Disagree.
Fact(44) Disputed
1 point

Major Breakthrough For The Religious And Everyone To Understand Simplified

What I think many of you are missing here is that if this lie known as god according to what the religious themselves even acknowledge as intelligent (they pray and worship) and using that intelligence to put a plan into motion is the creator of all things, then how is first possible for anything to go poof into existence out of nothingness (remember this lie icon is also made out to be by the religious themselves as the creator of all things) go poof into existence out of nothingness, extract energy from nothingness to develop an intelligence out of nothing to work with nothing conjuring up matter out of nothing to create?

It is not possible again because the fact remains that it takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter for anything to first come into existence, develop and intelligence to be able to re create with what already exists.

or if that is way too direct for you

The key to understanding factual evidence proving that there is no such thing as a god lay here:

All these people of all of these religions who's fundamental is a lie known as god pray to or worship this lie/god thus acknowledging that they also believe that this lie/god has intellect to be able to understand worship or prayers to begin with. Yet for anything to first come into existence to be able to develop an intellect or to use that intellect to put a plan into motion thus re create with the energy and matter already present, it first takes energy matter and time to re create energy and matter for any of this to first occur.

Again not anything goes poof into existence out of nothingness and not anything that exists goes poof into nothingness otherwise anyone feel free to contest this as fact by simply sharing one factual example of anything going poof into existence out of nothingness or anything that exists goes poof into nothingness! Just one to contest this as fact!

The only thing that doesn't change is that change occurs because energy matter and time are always present. Hence, we, everything throughout the universe is infinite! You know how they label such thing as an asteroid as billions of years old, it is factually much older than that as are the particles and energy that everyone on this planet consists of. The only significant difference is (why it is referred to as billions of years old) is that the asteroid's rate of change has obviously been much slower that the particles consisting within you and I. If one went into the sun it would be transformed in an instant!

where as science is the process that determines fact which is a far cry from filthy foundations of factually proven religious lies which have lead to the death of millions if not billions over thousands of years.

Side: Agree