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Science RULES I do NOT question God
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Scientists say a singularity existed BEFORE the big bang. Christians say there was NOTHING

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Science RULES

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I do NOT question God

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there is no such thing as "before the big bang" because there was no such thing as time before the "big bang" .... time / space and matter all came into existence at the same time .... http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3162#p3162

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Really? Wikipedia? Come one man, that site is unreliable most of the time.

Side: Science RULES

Science rules, but doesn't support you.

I can explain the big bang, but that's a pointless endeavour.

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Define "Singularity". Random Abstract theoretical concepts are pointless without definitions. And then of course one will ask where did the "singularity" come from, and what put IT into motion. If you want a natural answer (which the Theist adheres to a supernatural answer from beyond our reality), then you have to define things and explain things in a natural way. Where did this "original egg singularity" come from, a magical lotus blossom? If Atheists want to mock God as a myth, they need to quit making blind claims that sound like myths on steroids. Otherwise accept that God is a valid theory at the least. And then accept that God may have caused said "singularity" or even be said "singularity".

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Christians say God was and is always there! God is Omnipresent -- I interpret that as always present in both time and space. Even if there was some singularity at sometime in the past (which has not been actually proven), God existed before the singularity and will always exist.

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The fascinating thing is, even now the theory of the Big Bang is being called into question, not due to religious reasons but the new findings and some of the science just doesn't add up.

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

Which is pretty much what you posted, I just find it fascinating that what we believe is always fluctuating.

Now I'm going to say something that will probably make you roll your eyes and I hope you don't hurt yourself.

It's a position of some debate to what time is to God. I think most would agree that His presence in time is different from ours. Meaning one of our years is but a millisecond to him, or something to that effect. I'm not ever going to demand that you or anyone believe in God, but could you consider the belief that God created the Universe including any singularity before our Big Bang, and in that way we were created? I ask you this pushing everything the Bible says aside for the moment. Could you entertain the possibility that there is a creator to this universe and by proxy, us?

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Oh goody, my opening to spout James Gates, Super Symmetry, and String Theory. The point? The "evidence" points toward us living in a created "matrix". ID? You bet. Good luck on that one Atheists.

And if reality is infinite, Atheists have opened a mathematical can of worms that is like Pandora's box for the militant unbeliever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA

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James Gates? Forgive me but I'm completely ignorant to who that is. I've heard though about the belief of a created "matrix" as you say. It's an interesting idea but I don't know enough about it to hold much stock in it or give a truly informed opinion.

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And in case anyone wants to read the paper referenced there, it's open access. Probably also hard.

's a position of some debate to what time is to God.

It really isn't. Existence of God is only possible between Deism and Taoism. We can basically expect it as between Hinduism and Greek Polytheism if he intervenes by proxies. Unless, that is, he isn't perfect - a position I've only seen the Pastafarians hold.

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Science doesn't know what was before the big bang, nor can it even prove there was a big bang. Speculation and theoretical concepts are horrible arguments. It's the ol Atheism of the gaps fallacy. We have a theory that could be dead wrong or partly wrong.... insert? Atheism. We don't know, nor do we have any proof, thus? Atheism. What a horrible argument...

Side: I do NOT question God

We theorize a singularity, but cannot tell you what said singularity is or was, have no proof, and even if we did, that wouldn't disprove God...so... insert? Atheism, obviously....

Side: I do NOT question God

Many scientists say there was nothing. Why? Because they are guessing out of their ass and have no clue what there was or what happened. They can't even get a man on Mars yet.

Side: I do NOT question God

Where did the singularity come from? Also, if the universe consists of everything, that would mean that there is nothing outside of it. Time and space are a part of the fabric of the universe. So the question is if there was no time and space before the big bang, where and when did it happen? Hmmm?

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