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Seattle, WA: Colombus Day Changed to Indigenous Peoples' Day

Due to a unanimous vote by the Seattle city council, Columbus Day will be replaced this year with Indigenous Peoples Day, continuing the trend set by Minneapolis, as well as South Dakota's Native American Day.

"This is about taking a stand against racism and discrimination," Seattle City Council member Kshama Sawant told the Seattle Times. "Learning about the history of Columbus and transforming this day into a celebration of indigenous people and a celebration of social justice ... allows us to make a connection between this painful history and the ongoing marginalization, discrimination and poverty that indigenous communities face to this day."
 -http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/10/12/354274630/seattle-swaps-columbus-day-for-indigenous-peoples-day

Do you support this move or no, and why?

Yes, because...

Side Score: 33
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No, because...

Side Score: 22

I think this to be a pretty wise move. Celebrating a man (who wasn't even the person who discovered America, by the way) who did these horrible things does seem somewhat nonsensical.

Another aspect of the decision to consider, however, is what this does to Italian-Americans. While they are hardly discriminated against in the same way indigenous people sometimes are, Columbus day has become a celebration of Italian-American culture, and taking it away from them may seem like some for of attack. Or, at least, it may affect them as a community.

Side: Yes, because...

I have read that criticism of this move before, and I never really understood it that much.

We don't really have any holidays for other European genealogies, not sure why we would have one for Italian Americans. If there were any European nationality I'd think we should have a holiday for it should be English. I'm thinking on July 3rd.

Side: Yes, because...
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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You do notice your buddy linked NPR ! NPR is a Leftist organisation that supports what Obama does !

Side: No, because...
1 point

The link to NPR has absolutely no relevance. No facts in the article are in dispute. Seattle did do that, and the quote involved was said.

Or do you have evidence to the contrary?

Side: Yes, because...
1 point

Do you think the premise of the debate is invalid due to the source that reported on it? If so, can you correct it? If not, why did you say this?

Side: Yes, because...

Columbus brought nothing but genocide to this country. Why should we celebrate the man who's morally responsible for the near extinction of a race. Why not celebrate the race who was here before.

Side: Yes, because...
1 point

You are all about social issues. Do social issues drive you ? Are social issues the most important issues in this country ?

Side: No, because...
1 point

No, but social issues tend to create more of a conversation.

Would you rather debate the merits of the Social Contract Theory?

Or perhaps to positives and negatives of the Social Democratic system?

Get it? :P

Side: Yes, because...
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

You are more concerned with social issues that mean nothing. But that is what you Leftist are concerned with and that will always be the issue for you !

Side: No, because...

I am of the opinion that the America of today would still be a third world country of warring, backward tribes if it had been not been discovered by Columbus, ( we all know it wasn't supposed to be him, who did then?, the Vikings, aye, yo ho, such a yarn), and subsequently settled by the innovative industrious European pioneers. These settlers brought with them their skills and 'know how' and turned a backward disordered continent of brain dead nomadic tribes into the United States of America, the greatest nation on earth. The romantic images portrayed of the noble Native Americans are no more than misrepresentations of the disease ridden temporary encampments in which only the absolute fittest survived. If those city councilors have nothing better to do with taxpayer's money they should resign and take up learning the communication skill of smoke signals.

Side: No, because...
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I am of the opinion that the America of today would still be a third world country of warring, backward tribes if it had been not been discovered by Columbus

The native tribes of North America were hardly some backward bunch of savages, though. In fact, the population of North America before Columbus was greater than that of Europe.

( we all know it wasn't supposed to be him, who did then?, the Vikings, aye, yo ho, such a yarn),

Not sure if this is sarcasm. The vikings did indeed discover North America before Columbus, as did the Russians and the Chinese.

and subsequently settled by the innovative industrious European pioneers

Who were only able to due to one of the largest human mass extinctions in recorded history.

These settlers brought with them their skills and 'know how' and turned a backward disordered continent of brain dead nomadic tribes into the United States of America, the greatest nation on earth.

Now I am assuming you have to be sarcastic. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The romantic images portrayed of the noble Native Americans are no more than misrepresentations of the disease ridden temporary encampments in which only the absolute fittest survived.

In what way?

If those city councilors have nothing better to do with taxpayer's money they should resign and take up learning the communication skill of smoke signals.

The people they represent support this, so why would they resign after doing what their constituents wanted?

Side: Yes, because...

If this debate did nothing else, at least it taught you how to spell Columbus. Who mentioned anything about savages? I purposely avoided the term ''noble savage''. Maybe if the councilors of Columbus Ohio are at a loss for something to do they could rename their city 'Indigenous peoples' City'' Ohio. I've been there visiting Abercrombie & Fitch and didn't notice any wigwams, so perhaps that may not be such a good idea. Anyway, I've done with you here, so why not paint your face and go do a war dance?

Side: No, because...
2 points

Hey Kalamazoo, go be pathetically racist somewhere else.

Making an alt just to behave the same way is nonsensical.

Side: Yes, because...
1 point

They could have called it, "Feathered Indian Day" to distinguish it from "Dot Indian Day." Or maybe even, "Redskins day!"

Side: No, because...
1 point

They did not go far enough. In every sports event, the looser should be in the middle of the field getting all the praise for having played valiantly. We need to celebrate the losers so they don't feel bad about themselves for having lost.

Side: No, because...
1 point

I don't support this because the intent here is not to celebrate indigenous people, it is to obscure Columbus and I think that's actually insulting indigenous people.

Side: No, because...
1 point

How is the point of an Indigenous People's Day, celebrated by honoring the Indigenous People of this country, not meant to celebrate indigenous people?

And how is obscuring Columbus, a man who inflicted wanton destruction upon the indigenous people of this country, insulting to said people?

Side: Yes, because...
SlimReaper(22) Disputed
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Because it's being used to replace Columbus day. If you want to honor indigenous people then do it but the OP here gave the statement from the council member behind this and the reason given was to obscure Columbus and shame European descendants for alleged wrongs. If you have a problem with that statement then maybe your problem isn't with me. I didn't make it so, I just see it for what it is. If you want to give someone a holiday then do it based upon what they did, not based on what someone else did.

Side: No, because...