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Debate Score:86
Arguments:72
Total Votes:101
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Should America eliminate grades and standardized testing?

Yes

Side Score: 46
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No

Side Score: 40

Is it working? No.

If you are a Democrat please proceed to step 1

If you are a Libertarian please proceed to step 2

Step 1: Raise taxes, increase funding and have the federal government take over the school system. If this doesn't work, please repeat this step over again.

Step 2: Get government out of education and let the market fix it.

Side: Yes
1 point

I like option 2. Or better yet, if there is no compromise, let the state governments take care of everything instead of the federal gov.

Side: Yes
kozlov(1755) Clarified
1 point

I agree with neither of these options. Step 1 would not work because there is enough money in the education system, the problem is where it is spent. Take a look at the best education system in the world, Finland. They have a state-sponsored system, but it is run differently than anywhere else in the world.

As for the second option, I would rather home-school my children then have them go to school and be indoctrinated by corporations.

Free markets do not fix everything.

Side: Yes
1 point

As for the second option, I would rather home-school my children then have them go to school and be indoctrinated by corporations

1. You have the option to home school to your child

2. Not all business and corporations are evil. You consider private education to be indoctrination but giving the state the authority to decide what your children should be taught isn't? The governments version of history is an indoctrination.

Side: Yes
MrPrime(268) Clarified
1 point

How does the market produce good education in poor neighborhoods? Shouldn't all children, regardless of their parents means or "laziness", get a good education so they can better themselves and not end up like their parent?

Side: Yes
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
-1 points

Off course it works, it's used everywhere in the world, it separates smart from dumb.

Side: No
1 point

No, it separates the people who memorized a bunch of nit picky facts from the people who didn't. Many smart people tend to concentrate their time on their hobbies, interests and private studies, so it is not all that unlikely for a smart person to do bad on a long, dry, 100 question test.

The trade mark of intelligence is not high grades, for the most part, it is creativity.

Side: Yes
2 points

Well all the world should change the educational system , from my perspective it sucks and grades measure your effort by memorizing facts and formulas not your intelligence , that's the ability to use knowledge and learn it on your own understanding .

Side: Yes

This past week, two of my teachers joked around with me about grade grubbing, and coined the term 'grade prostitution'. After getting over the initial shock of a teacher saying the word prostate I started thinking about it. I, a high school senior, am a grade prostitute. I constantly check the online system, which displays current grades, haggle for extra points and jump on any extra credit opportunity, all to get the A. When a teacher announces a test, I immediately ask how many points it is worth and calculate the minimum grade I need to get in order to maintain an A.

Yes, I am a grade prostitute, but it is not my fault. I am merely a product of the current education factory that manufactures multiple-choice assessments and labels students with a letter and a grade point average. We are placed in tracks and everyone knows who is in Track Three and who is in AP. We make judgments and see peers as their grades. Teacher’s say we should learn for the sake of learning, but why then do we get judges every quarter on a report card. Why, on Naviance, the online program for college searches, when we look at the college scattergrams, are the only two factors of acceptance SAT scores and G.P.A.? There is no standardized child, yet America has standardized learning. What message does this send to students? I am a grade prostitute, but what is the alternative in this competitive, test oriented, scholastic straitjacket? Am I supposed to disregard tradition learning and pursue other interests to purely learn more? Or, as I already do, push my other intellectual ambitions aside to achieve the A.

The belief that we should accept report cards for what they are is offensive. America cannot just accept a failing system for what it is. We are a nation of innovators, trailblazers and pioneers. A solution can and must be found. We should eliminate "traditional report card grades and replace them with evaluations written by teacher's. The B next to Math, or A next to History does not reflect a student's learning capability. It is a transparent front put on by education institutions to achieve a higher rating and more funding. The current grading system needs some serious renovations before our future children are cheated out of the education they deserve.

Side: Yes
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

that's why you do SAT ....same test for everyone, equal opportunity.

Side: No

Yes they should. I work hard and somehow got a d in english. If you ask me, I can explain everything I know since I understand it. School isn't about learning or understanding- its about memorization and having no life. You need to stay up all night to do stupid projects that don't help or benefit you. You need to spend $80 for a stupid grade that is based entirely on opinion- not on your effort. I worked hard, streesed out, spent a lot of money and the goddamned school bitches gave me low grades. Ask mme anything on 7th grade english/science/history and I know it. Those bastards grades caused me stress, acne breakouts, antisocial behavior, my familys respect, my future careers for nothing.

Sorry if this isn't too good, I'm pissed off because of how they fucked up my life. I already know that stuff.

Side: Yes
1 point

It's not working.

Homework is used as a stimulant to keep the brain aware of the task ahead of it, I get that.

Standardized test are used as first-hand-resorts these days , discouraging students rather than helping.

Test don't determine the condition the student is in at that momment, scared? Nervous?

Side: Yes
3 points

I don't think so. I am also a high school senior, but I don't think it should to away. Standardized testing allows companies, colleges, and other institutions to be able to judge potential employees and students. They don't have time to go through every transcript of paper about a person. Grading allows teachers to asses students work ethic and the ability to maintain a healthy competition with yourself saying, "I know I can do better than this". It is better to show data than opinion on a person, at least, for a company. I think it is essential for the modern day, even though a good look through our education system is in due order and won't hurt.

Side: No
copycat042(166) Disputed
2 points

My son is extremely bright and a good worker. He does HORRIBLY on tests. Standardized tests are a tool, but should not be the only tool.

Side: Yes
Scout143(651) Clarified
2 points

I can agree with that. It shouldn't be the only tool in a school.

Side: Yes
1 point

Agreed. I think society is realizing that and the tides are changing...slowly.

Side: Yes
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

so he is obviously not so bright as you think .

Side: No
2 points

No. First off grades tell you how well you are doing in the class and are nessessary, if we dont have grades what will we use ? We also need standardized testing to see how proficient we are.

Side: No
cod-pownage(126) Disputed
1 point

Well I agree we need sats to determine how we are doing, but grades are bullshit.

Let's say, you don't do homework because you have soccer practise and have band. But you aslo get a+'s on tests, classwork, and behave, so you get a c, are you stupid?

Let's say you have dyslexia or something, but are a good listener. You comprehend what your teacher is saying, but don't do well on tests. So you get a d. Are you stupid?

You. Are smart, responsible, and well behaved, but not creative and don't do well on projects. You work extremely hard. Like on love hina (an anime) the 2 protagonists study daily, working hard- one even messes up their eyesight and becomes antisocial- just to enter the best college. They cracked under pressure once and failed. Are they stupid? They got a D so are they?

A guy doesn't pay attention, only studies before a test, and pays others to do homework and stuff, he gets an -a. Is he smart? Grades don't show knowladge, understanding, or effort- they show memorization, luck, and scores on tests.

Side: Yes
2 points

Grades and standardized tests are not the problem. The problem is that too many individuals and organizations use them in the wrong way. They can be moderately useful for teachers in the classroom, however any application beyond that is a misapplication. For instance, research has demonstrated that test scores and grades are not accurate predictors of success in later education or careers.

Side: No

There would not be any valid criteria to compete with other countries.

Side: No