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 Should Bullies under the age 18 be tried as adults if their victims are beaten? (11)

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Should Bullies under the age 18 be tried as adults if their victims are beaten?

Example: Wayne Treacy is 15 years old boy that tried to murder Josie an 8th grade girl from another school by stomping her head into the ground with his steel toed boots.

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This is why we are judged by a jury or our peers, it is impossible to make one rule to apply to every situation.

It's tempting, every time there is a hotly debated issue each respective side wants to implement their own idea of justice and make it a set rule so they no longer are obligated to think about such uncomfortable things.

But part of being (well at least part of becoming hopefully) a just society is understanding that even uncomfortable things like what appears to be a 15 year old boy trying to kill someone is something which needs to be thought of.

It is easy to say "this is the rule, out of my hands" but I don't believe that does the human species justice. We should be able to handle both the good and the bad, and that means looking at a case like this and deciding based on that individual case whether that person was acting as a child who knows no better, or as an adult.

Innevitably many will be upset with whatever decision is made. It is important though I think, that we at least try to make the right decision, and do not simply hand off responsibility to some all-encompassing law.

Side: jury of peers
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Do you remember a story about a young boy, an old man, and a jackass; or something along those lines?

It basically evidenced the fact that the three could never satisfy all of the people.

Some wanted the boy to ride the jackass. Some wanted the man to ride. Others wanted both to walk for the sake of the jackass.

(I was 4 years old when my kindergarten teacher read this story. I have not heard it since and all that I remember of it is what I have posted.)

Side: jury of peers

I don't understand the concept of trying minors as adults.

Why not charge them as goldfish, or trees, or something else that they're not?

Side: jury of peers
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Absolutley. Even though some bullies are minors, doesn't mean the situation they caused should just be forgotten about. As goes for the person who is the victim. They shouldn't have to relive the memory of their accident, and have to worry about others being in danger of the same thing.

Side: jury of peers

I don't think the debate is about whether or not crimes committed by juveniles should be forgotten about. It's about whether or not juveniles should be tried as adults.

The idea that a juvenile can be tried as anything other than a juvenile makes no sense to me.

Side: jury of peers
rockyboy(48) Disputed
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I find your statement that you have posted on this topic has no logic. The question is "should bullies(minor children,) under the age of 18 years old be tried as adults if their victims are beaten?" Definition BEATEN: "To drive of force by blows to beat to the ground, repeated striking. When trying a juvenile for a crime; The law says that "the way the crime was committed determines if the minor will be tried as a juvenile or an adult." The crime committed by the juvenile has to meet 10 criteria in order for the crime to be taken from the juvenile court system into the adult court system. I gave just a little explanation of Treacy beating Josie's head into the ground. Here is some more information that may explain further. Treacy text Josie first, no one knows what he text to Josie. Josie text something to Treacy about his brother committed suicide. Treacy text all of his friends telling them he was going to kill Josie. Treacy went home put on steel toed boots, rode his bike 3 miles to Josie's school to meet his girl friend the same school Josie went to because his girl friend was Josie's best friend. Treacy's girl-friend was going to point out Josie's for him to kill. Treacy never saw or meet Josie before the beating.

If a Murderer Kills or attempts to kill another human being and the murder is under 18 years old you, Auntie Christ you're telling the world "slap these murdering minors on the hand and put them to bed without supper!" Thank God you have nothing to do with the legal system. Treacy is being tried as an ADULT......

Side: jury of peers
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You've missed my point, much like SLarnott did. I'm not suggesting that crimes committed by juveniles should be treated with a slap on the wrist or be forgotten about, etc.

I'm saying that if you had any understanding of neuroscience as it relates to adolescent brain development, you'd realize just how woefully ignorant the idea of trying a juvenile as an adult is.

It seems you're content to completely disregard what is known of the human brain and assert that an individual with a frontal lobe (the frontal lobe controls reasoning and impulse control) still in development, is just as culpable in the commission of a crime as an adult possessing a fully developed adult brain.

I would suggest that you're entitled to your own emotional response to a situation, but not your own facts.

Side: jury of peers
rockyboy(48) Disputed
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Oh and Auntiechrist the question that has been presented is mine. I have a history in regards to child development.

Side: jury of peers
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I don't have a huge problem with weak bullying. It will always occur.

But something like this.. where an older boy nearly kills a younger girl.

Don't bother 'trying' him.

Leave me in the room with him. I might even kill him. But justice is served nice and warm on an expensive platter.

Side: jury of peers

If a bully is under 18, No. A person under 18 is still a minor.

Side: jury of peers