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Only the intelligent ones who value reason and science above dogma and superstition. Otherwise, by all means please do continue in the vain of irrational and unsubstantiated belief against all evidence and reason. Ignorance clearly suits you better than knowledge.
Some do. They see evolution as the mechanism God set forth to truly ensure his creations would have a prosperous life they make themselves, in a world that they can continually augment.
Lol I know like eating pork, shellfish, having sex before marriage, working on Sunday's, tattoos, watching porn, not giving 10% of there earnings to the church, the list goes on, lol But I guess it's a matter context, well that's what they would say anyway.
Evolution doesn't discount God, nor the idea of creationism. I see no reason why a Christian should not embrace evolution, at least on a level that mankind has progressed and is involved within a process called LIFE. There really is nothing more to it.
Even God itself said it "created" life with a process, as humans came after a couple things were created before it.
Satan made humans for sexy time in Garden of Eden where sexy Eve lead Adam astray and he choked on apple and got deep voice magically and that's why men have Adam's apples :D... Oh sh*t I forgot to add science...
If they want to be a strong true christian then they don't have to. It shouldn't really be forced upon them since it contradicts their religion. Naturally if a christian wants to accept evolution then sure go ahead or if he denies it then sure be my guest. It just their opinion on how the world works.
Does being a "strong true christian" preclude reconciling Biblical inaccuracies with science and reason? Just curious.
While ignorance annoys me, I generally get over it if other people choose to live their lives by it. However, what bothers me with the relationship Christianity so often has with evolution is that the denial of the truth of evolution frequently goes hand in hand with shoring up prejudicial beliefs about the "right" or "natural" way for people to be. I see an all to easy and frequent connection between Christians who deny evolution and Christians who use their creationist views to persecute and discriminate against others. It is the point where ignorance starts to hurt other people that something ceases to be an opinion, and I think that denying evolution leads all too easily to discrimination based upon and supported by ignorant beliefs.
What I mean is that its up to the person. The christian has the right to just assume that the earth is only 6000 years old. Or he could do whatever. They might not view the bible as innacurate. It just depends. I wouldn't go bashing evolution on them. I would leave it alone. I don't mind if you think Zeus made earth. I dont mind if you think jesus never existed is true. It depends on the person and wheither they want to accept it or not.
For sure it's is there right and I support that, my problem is when they try to make there beliefs fact, like teaching that crap as science in public schools or saying that "evolution is a lie from the depths of hell" like one of our political figures said here in the states lol, then there beliefs become personal because they are hurting and confusing our kids and humanity as a whole, how on earth are we ever to evolve technologically & mentally if there are a large number of people trying to teach lies?
My point though is that that type of ignorant denial goes hand in hand with defending and justifying prejudicial views about other people. I agree that forcing evolution down the throat of every Christian is impractical, but as a matter of desirability ("should") I find it quite desirable.
Oh i see what your saying. Instead of just bashing them should at least accept it over time instead? I find that plausible. I just think that you know if you really wanna deny facts and stick to biblical teachings then by all means do it. Some churches teach it. I guess it really depends on who wants to listen to the world or the bible.
More precisely, I am saying that bashing anyone over the head with anything is generally not an effective technique. I think consistent application of persuasion and presentation of evidence (i.e. education) is the better approach.
I do not agree with the idea of people sticking to their ignorance, particular when such ignorance is the font of prejudice and discrimination which actively harms other individuals. I think that is the larger point I am trying to make.
Very true. I'm to the point in my life where I truly don't give a shit anymore, if people want to believe this stuff so be it, I try to help people see things with reason , but only if they want, if people don't want my help or refuse other views of the argument then there loss, be closed minded for all I care. I however will not stop evolving to become the best human-being I can be using reason, logic and compassion.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."- House M.D
The bible also made many references that the earth was flat.
Point is the bible is just a book of primitive man trying to make sense of things the best why they know how at that time.
After we have proved that the earth was not flat and that earth was not the center of the universe many Christians had to reevaluate there beliefs or be laughed out of town, same holds true with evolution.
Religion has to adapt of die, that's pretty much how life works, if religion wants to bring any new followers they better start taking science seriously or say good by to that religion.
The bible also made many references that the earth was flat.
The bible doesnt make assertions of a flat earth liike it does some things e.g. the ten commandments. As you say it alludes/refers to something, or we believe it does based on how we read it. the truth is that the bible uses "language of sight" instead of scientific statements to explain things to the common man. Not everyone lives in a first world country where it is common to believe to earth is round. In the same way from day to day we say the sun sets. The sun never sets, its an unscientific claim but we use it from day to day to explain something we see occurring with our eyes
Like many things in the bible words are left up to interpretation, there are however many verses that claim the was earth flat.
I can see how many people at that time would interpret that the earth was flat by some of the verses below.
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH.
Aye, when talking about ends and corners, I would normally think "figurative", but the Bible cannot be figurative, because then it would be nothing more than a tool for evil.
To allow a person to choose what it means allows a person to feel righteous believing absolutely anything about a god or a bible, allowing them to rationalize any sort of oppression or hate.
Not everyone sees it that way, there are many bible readers that twist the words to fit there agenda, or read it literary
The catholic church for example used those verses to say "Look here is proof the earth is flat", then after we found out that wasn't true, many Christians replies were "well the words are taken out of context" well if that's the case then how many other things where taken out of context, like owning slave, killing your kids ect.
Because the bible has so many inconsistencies one has to reasonably think that the book might not be the word of any God but the word of man, if the bible has so many inconsistencies then that's to say God is not perfect, so to pin the bible as the book of God seems like a disrespect to God.
Oh yes, that's what I meant as a tool of evil. They twist it to fit how they want it to fit, unless they want it to no longer be figurative, in which case it should be taken literally.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.
the 'Four corners of the Earth' means the four cardinal points. it isnt in reference to the earth having four corners to north, south, east and west and is a hyperbole to say that God will gather all people from every part of earth imaginable.
Job 38:13
That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it
Personally,when I read this bible verse i think it means that no matter where you go, God will find you. For example the 'ends of the earth' can mean some nearly inaccessible place on this planet like the himalayas where few people venture. An individual might see this as the ENDS OF THE EARTH because it is nearly inaccessible. To me this is just another figure of speech that tells us that the wicked cannot hide fromGOd no matter where they go.
And your point is what precisely? The way I see it, evolution has evidence and the Bible has none; which explanation do you truly expect me to believe?
