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The definition of "marriage" has been changed a ludicrous number of times by heterosexuals, from an exchange of property from father to husband, by which the wife essentially ceased to be a legal person separate from her husband, to a declaration of love and commitment between two autonomous adults. With all these far more radical changes, expanding the definition of marriage to include homosexuals seems to be a trifle in comparison, and certainly not one which should have attracted as much controversy as it seems to have.
Incidentally, I don't like the idea of this "Biblical definition of marriage" everyone keeps talking about. I certainly wouldn't want 700 wives and 300 concubines.
How many Christians/Jews have 700 wives? Get outta here. Solomon had many wives because he was a king and did what he wanted. The Biblical law is one man and one woman. Reading is your friend.
I say keep it legal, start recruiting the lgbt community and more minorities to the right, so that we can get past the gender and racial divides and begin protecting our country from foreign enemies. That's really what divides the new left from the new right, immigration and Islam. Beyond that, it's all politics and petty quarels.
I feel you. At some point we have to be united. Politics originally for the people, but over the course of history it has become for the sake of arguing. I understand voicing your opinions on matters, however regardless a politicians job is this and only this: to support and fulfil the wishes of the people.
Unfortunately terms like gay and lesbian marriage cannot be ever legal, even when dictated through abuse of legislation. The insisted plagiarism taking place is the warning with the use of the word marriage that implicates a possible fraud, the legalization of legislation does not removed the public right to test law. As laws are not enforced that are testes and only legally enforced after a test has been documented in a Judicial Separation process.
Second; we are being asked to witness a public contract. So this single request openly invites objection. Two men and two woman have always been able to enter into public contracts without interference. The legal depute in a Constitutional statement is the association to sexual conduct in the witness account. A group is asking people to witness a sexual promise which is incriminating the Judicial separation while plagiarizing a long term public likelihood.
Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman it does not limit the union it in no way prevents a Gay man and a lesbian woman from forming a private contract. It does not describe a condition of sex. A public contract between two men can be described as Binivir as it is unique and does not plagiarize a likelihood or describe a sexual condition to the witness.
UnosMulier provides the same condition for two woman who wish to enter into a public contract without setting a sexual condition as part of the terms to be witnessed by the public.
I don't see why homosexuals shouldn't get married. Their marriage does not harm anyone else. I also don't have a problem if people dislike gay marriages, you can think they are the work of satan for all I care. If they want to make that choice then that's fine by me. As long as you don't force someone to marry them or force people into a same sex marriage then I don't care. How about I live my own life, and I'll leave you to live yours?
Don't refer to your religions when stating against me because it's 2017 and LGBT people are discriminated against. You were taught to empower one another and how to accept but disagreeing is a way to undermine yourself AND be labelled as homophobic.
People should be able to love who they want to and to express that way in all the forms possible. Religion isn't fact, therefore the argument "God meant for men and women to be together." isn't valid as factual information.
That's not even one of the main arguments, besides no one is stopping them from loving each other. You can love someone without being married, cmon bro.
As long as RIGHTS come along with marriage, the 14th Amendment is clear.. IF somebody has rights, EVERYBODY is entitled to those rights..
So, instead of denying gays the right to marry, you COULD remove all the rights that come with marriage.. Then, and ONLY then, would a ban on gays marrying be Constitutional..
Right wingers LOVE the Constitution, don't they???
Why is this still a debate? The Declaration of Independence has a well known phrase: "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Gay marriage is people living out their life. They have the liberty to be happy with whomever they love, be it of the same gender or of the opposite gender.
Yes. Gay marriages should be legal. Two people getting married, regardless of what they identify as should be accepted just as much as we accept a man and a woman being wed. How I see it is what they're doing together has nothing to do with you or anybody else around them. It's their own business. The only reason why people fuss is because their denomination says so. Back in the day, it wasn't a very common occurrence for gays to be out there and really show their relationships out in the open. As humans, we have the tendencies to be foul on what we consider "out of the ordinary" and not "normal", and the bible is the best support for arguing the fact that we can't accept this instance. But what is normal anyway? Not you, not I.
Had we been raised in a world where being gay has always been known as the norm at the very beginning of time, this wouldn't be something people would be debating about today.
Two gay people in a relationship, deciding to get married, has nothing to do with us. It should not be our concern. They could not get married either and we should not care either way. That's their relationship and it's theirs to deal with. They're not out there murdering families. They're just two people dating, just like man and woman. No need to feel too involved.
Lol, marriages recognized by the government and literally everyone else doesn't concern anyone else? Cmon bro nothing is stopping them from forming relationships and loving each other, marriage is a different field which comes with federal recognition.
Absolutely, providing they find a nice enough girl :)
Nah but I'm gay, I'd like to get married one day. It's just a shame the LGBT community is a FUCKING disgrace. Makes me wish for conversion therapy sometimes :')
not that it matters at this point, im sure many of you know laws cannot be reversed. But yes i believe that they should be allowed to get married, they are human beings who love others just as much as straight people more if not more for putting themselves out there in a society with such close-minded people who dont understand, and having to come out to their families and friends, growing up different, everything. Honestly, i dont understand why they werent allowed to be wed before. Its stupid. my dear friends; we live in America where everyone should have the same rights and opportunities and that includes marriage. sorry =)
In response to the equal rights point: Everyone does have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Straight and gay can marry the opposite sex alike, and both cannot marry the same sex, thus equal rights.
In response to general: The topic is more nuanced than, "should we let people love who they want". Nobody is stopping them from forming a relationship, however marriage is something that by definition is between male and female, it's in essence impossible for them to get married without being contradictory. There are many policies that change with marriage encompassing more than just a male and female relationship. And to do that is more work, deceiving, and futile considering there are civil unions for gay couples.
For somebody to be concerned with someone else's marriage is appalling. If you pay that much attention to someone else and who they love then you need to take a good look at yourself and look away.
Same sex marriage is the same as marriage. It's no different. Same sex marriages don't receive benefits of anything different to what you would if requested. Being married to someone of the same gender is not benefitting them in any way other than pure happiness and true love.
For you to be so butt hurt and concerned over "should gay marriage be legal" is hurting my brain.
Gay marriages should definitely be legal. AS IT IS JUST A MARRIAGE.
That hit me hard. I've always been for same sex marriages but this opened my eyes more.
Just imagine if you were unable to marry your partner because of pathetic people and their petty decisions, and life support or even something just as major in your life was involved.
It is humiliating to be in this world and have people so against same sex marriage when I'm almost certain, they have nothing to do with it.
Gay marriage is not natural. It goes against God and laws of nature. Marriage is meant to join a man and a woman, not two of the same gender. God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
Gay Marriage is just wrong...i dont care if you were "born" that way or not. God intended for a man and a woman to be together. I couldnt care less if you say youve "always" been this way, however the act of Gay Marriages should be illegal. And I know many of you will be repulsed by what Ive said but I dont care.
I hate to break out to you, bit you can't change who people are. Also, mind your own business, because now gays can marry and there's nothing you can do about that really
I don't want to be the one to say it, but I'm afraid marriage has been around a lot longer than Christianity. Christianity does not get to have any kind of moral monopoly on it.
Same-sex marriage has been practised in Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt, some Native American tribes (e.g. Two-Spirits), etc.
As to whether "God intended for a man and a woman to be together"... not everyone follows the Christian God especially outside of the United States, so it seems wrong to force everyone to bow to Christian views of marriage.
If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. It's pretty simple.
I do agree that gay marriage is wrong and that it's just not meant to be this way. It's not only a matter of religion, since it seems to me that because gay couples can't procreate, it is absurd for them to start a family and act like real couples.
But unfortunately, you can't change the way people are, just like you can't change the way society is. Even though I don't support gay relationships, I don't see why I wouldn't be in favor of the law being on their side, just like the law is on the side of anybody who uses their freedom of speech to voice their opinion, no matter how criticized it is. If gay people want to marry, let them marry, simply because they have the freedom to do whatever they want with their life and their body. But what I strongly disagree with is advertising for it, through TV shows and movies, which in the end makes it a normal thing even for children. Conservative parents have the right to want an education for their kids that is devoid of this kind of moral values.
That is just me expressing an opinion. I have the right to believe that this is wrong, that is basic freedom of speech. You can't deny me the right to speak my mind, just like I can't deny them the right to do whatever they want to do with their life. And that's exactly why I said that although I disagree with what they're doing (in principle), I do agree with society letting them do it, because they have the right to.
Unfortunately the law was forced on ALL States because Obama appointed two activist Justices that legislate from the bench rather than interpreting the Constitution.
The supreme court is not suppose to create new law to force on ALL States. The supreme court is suppose to decide cases on whether or not each State had the right to change their marriage laws against the will of the people in those states.
Never should five justices have the power to dictate the marriage laws of every state! They did not even do that with abortion. Abortion was left up to each state to decide for themselves.
But Obama and this etreme Democrat party no longer believes in the freedom of States to run their own laws concerning marriage. We had the worst of an extremist Big Brother Government forcing it's will on all Americans regrdless their wishes. Americans lost their voice to five justices. SICK!
This is why Trump won. Americans are sick of these controlling Liberals running the Democrat Party.
The supreme court is not suppose to create new law to force on ALL States.
They didn't create new law.
The supreme court is suppose to decide cases on whether or not each State had the right to change their marriage laws against the will of the people in those states
States are not supposed to be allowed to vote away the rights of the citizens.
Never should five justices have the power to dictate the marriage laws of every state!
Except for interracial marriage, right?
We had the worst of an extremist Big Brother Government forcing it's will on all Americans regrdless their wishes.
You wanted to use the government to take away rights from people and you don't like the Big Brother governor taking away rights. You must be tired from all the mental gymnastics.
Actually, Trump won because of a little mishap in the electoral colleges "Winner-take-all" thing. And by Americans, do you mean racist sexist white people?
No, by Americans I mean those who respect the Consitution and do not want activist Justices to force their ideology on every State.
You obviously share the same views as the morons who called Trump supporters Deplorable and irredeemable. It's sick to see the extremism in this new age Democrat Party.
If all Americans don't swallow the extremism of your narrow political correctness, then we are judged and labled all those things you just mentioned.
Judgmental closed minded intolerant non inclusive people like you are very dangerous to this nation's freedoms.
If we don't believe Gay marriage should be forced on every State, then we are deplorable, irredeemable, sexist, racists, etc.
How does it feel to be so intolerant of other's beliefs?
Ok. Let me get this straight. The person who calls me an extremist is ranting on and on about how terrible liberals are.
First of all, the SCOTUS justices are about the 9 most respectful people of the constitution. And what you are forgetting is that the scotus is only saying that it's unconstitutional to keep gays from getting married. What the scotus decides has to apply the same to all states. Also, don't blame the Supreme Court justices. Most of them are conservative, so you can't complain. I admit that I made a mistake generalizing like that. Sorry. But I think it's deplorable if you voted for trump because you didn't like Hillary. I'm not doing that you should have voted for Hillary, our you should change your opinion, but you are also intolerant of others beliefs because you cannot see why gays would want to get married. They have their reasons. I am always trying to be open minded, and its hard sometimes. But what extremist democrats are trying to do is fight for equal rights. We have put believes and you have yours.
Just because some small group of people who have attractions for the same sex does not mean EVERY SINGLE STATE MUST AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your so called open mindedness is EXTREME! You are forcing 98% of Americans to sanction an unnatural sexual orientation into their marriage laws.
What you don't get is that Republicans are not trying to force everyone to think like they think. We respect the voters in each state to decide their own laws.
Are you so naive to not see where the slippery slope of political correctness is taking this nation?
First it was Gay civil unions, then it was Gay adoption of our children, then it was Gay marriage forced on every State, then they went full force into transgender issues with Bruce Genner their poster child. Then the Democrat Party decided that a few dysfunctional boys in our public schools with a Transgender disorder could sue ALL Public schools to allow them into our daughter's bathrooms!!!!!!!
Is any of this getting through?
Now we are even seeing PC Democrats pushing for pedophile equal right laws so that they would not be discriminated from having jobs as teachers around our children.
These pedophiles admit having attractions for children and FOOLS ON THE LEFT want to force States to alow them teaching jobs!
It is truly sickening how many bleeding heart idiots there are in this nation who think like you! YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
You are supporting this slippery slope when voting for these extremist Democrats and then when our families are falling apart, you scratch your head and wonder why.
Our children deserve better. They deserve to live in a nation where every abnormal unnatural sexual orientation is not forced down their throats under so clled equal rights.
What happened to the rights of privacy to our daughter's in their bathrooms? What happened to our rights to not allow teachers with attractions to children in our schools.
It's not like your being forced to do anything. These laws are ONLY applicable to you if you are LGBT, so stop taking it like your being forced to swallow knives! Also, if you truly respect the Constitution, you wouldn't say that transgenders can't use whatever bathroom they want. The SCOTUS even refused to hear this case because they ALL agreed that it's such a basic 14th Amendment right that it shouldn't be debated. Also, are you saying that boys are automatically programmed to attack girls? That sounds strange. So, these marriage laws are in place so that people can do what they want with their life. Like I said, these marriage laws don't affect you at all unless you're LGBT.
These marriage laws do effect people who are trying to teach their children what is normal and naturral, and what is not. Teens are experimenting with all kinds of weird sex in case you missed it.
There are many more kids experimenting with Homosexual sex, bisexual sex, because this anything goes culture is embracing every abnormal thing out there.
What ever happened to common sense where we do not lift up the abnormal to our children as being normal. Children are very impressionable and they believe what adults tell them.
First of all, lack of a marriage license denies Gays very little. They are entitled to most everything married people are. Have you noticed how many straight people are NOT getting married today? They are living together instead, sometimes for decades. WHY WOULD THAT BE if there are so many advantages given to them through marriage?
This entire political correct fixation by the Left has everything to do with sanctioning abnormal unnatural things as normal. It is an all out war on our traditional values, our nations Christian values, etc. and has very little to do with people desparately wanting that marriage document.
The document does little for them other than making it much harder to separate which is what happens to the vast majority of Homosexual relationships. It's all about SANCTIONING their lifestyles. They don't want their sexual orientation to be considered abnormal. They are obviously very insecure with the unnatural lifestyles they live.
Our families are falling apart case you missed it. Our children deserve fathers at home and this PC anything goes culture is hurting our children the most. Our children are lost with no idea of what a family is. They are being told as a child that they might be Gay if they have weird thoughts going through puberty. EXPERIMENT WITH YOUR THOUGHTS THE WORLD TELLS THEM!
They are now being told that if you have some feminim feelings as a boy, you might actually be a girl!
They are now being told if you have attractions to children after you grow up, you were probably born a pedophile so we will not discriminate against you.
The Left has gone overboard with this PC lunacy and it all resolves around money and politics. Our families are dying and the family unit is the only thing keeping our nation together. Government makes for terrible parents.
The bottom line is that I believe we should treat ALL PEOPLE with respect. I believe we should always teach our children to never bully others for any reason. This does not mean we must sanction the behavior as normal when it is not.
Respect goes both ways. You have a right to live your life as you choose, and we have a right to protect our children from this anything goes culture that goes totally against what we believe to be naturral and normal.
Respect does not mean forcing all States to change their marriage laws. That is disrepecting people and their right to form their own laws in their own states.
The way you define the Left is not completely how all democrats feel. For example, I think you can call someone a slave, or cracker without being racist against either race. I feel like some Liberals have gone overboard. But I still support equal rights for all people. If you mean abnormal as in out goes against our "per natural design", you are being ridiculous. People can live who they want, and may who they want, and have legal intimate relationships with anyone they want. Marriage licenses slow people to be seen legally as a couple and therefore get more legal coverage. Their separate health care bills turn into one. This way, it's easier to have a family of they want one. It's not just about political correctness, it's about going people their constitutional rights that they deserve. Same as interracial marriage. 14th amendment is the greatest thing ever. And you would know if you respected the constitution like you say.
People ike you hve distorted the Constitution. To compare race to unnatural sex makes you someone i am through debating. I have better things to do then debate brainwashed lunacy.
In MY house we didn't have to TEACH our children heterosexuality.. Did someone teach you?? If they didn't teach you well enough, would praying make the gay go away??? Apparently, you think being gay is a DECISION people make.. But, I'll betcha dollars to doughnuts that you can't DECIDE to change your sexual orientation..
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PS> What kinda of name are you gonna call me now??
The name I call Liberals is arrogant extremist elites who think they have the right to force their opinions and beliefs on everyone.
No one had to teach children their natural biological sexual orientation. It is normal to 98% of the world. It's how we are built. It is the natural order to nature. Man has a penis that is designed to go into a womans vagina in normal sex as we are designed.
Did you skip biology class?
People can choose to ignore the normal and naturral and have weird sex. It matters not why they do it, it matters not if they believe they are born that way, it is still abnormal.
Who we have sex with is a decision everyone makes no matter who we think we are. Bisexuals have sex with whoever they feel like having sex with.
A straight man can choose to have sex with another man. No one forces them to have sex with in any manor they do not choose.
The entire argument is not about a person's right to have sex with whoever they want. The argument is about forcing society to sanction abnormal unnaturral sex as normal by forcing every State to change their marriage laws, or forcing every public school to change their bathroom policies, etc. etc.
People on the Left such as yourself are complete control fanatics forcing their anything goes abnormal views of the world on all people.
Not everyone's life revolves around god. Everyone has a right to do as they please. It's their choice. Also, what about the Free Exercise Clause in the Constitution? Look it up.
Marriage is the merging of a man and a woman to be one flesh. It is not possible for two people of the same gender to be married. They can have a legal agreement, and the law of the land can call it marriage, but it is not marriage, it is perversion.
You think you respect everyone, but you don't. Some of the most brilliant people who ever lived are or were gay, and it's their choice not yours. So shut your damn mouth and let people decide what they want to do with their lives. You live it your way, they live it theirs.
Look, all sex outside of marriage is wrong, and homosexuality is in a class of perversion outstanding comparable to beastiality. I hate sin. Respecting people does not mean condoning their sin.
You would be spitting out your teeth if you talked to me that way when I was a punk like you....except that when I was a punk, all of us punks knew homosexuality was evil, dirty, despicable, and the people who get AIDS from doing it deserve it for their evil.
If you don't like my opinion and you want to toss around fighting words, you have to be ready to spit your teeth out if you think your assinine opinion is worth it.
I'm not a fighter anymore, I walk away when I can, but others who witness your provocative assinine commands that people shut their mouths might well go off on you and I would not blame them.
I'll just trying to get other people to try to jump in someone's skin and walk around in it as Harper Lee said. Haha you are so funny calling me a punk, telling me that my demands are asinine. You need to respect what other people have to say. DO NOT tell people what they can and can't do in their lives. When you say that gay marriage is nasty and a sin, people get angry. People commit suicide because they're called gay and they think it's an insult. I also walk away when I can and I don't want to fight. But I want you to try to see how people feel when they're persecuted like this and nobody cares.
Gay Marriage should not be legal nor illegal. I do not support gay marriage but I do not think the government should be regulating who can get married and who cannot. That being said, lets say for example if two people who are of the same sex do want to get married and they decide to ask for religious person to cater their wedding. They should have the right to refuse. It is their business and if their religious beliefs are infused into that business, their religious liberties should be be infringed upon just because the two people in question do not want to find another business to cater their wedding even though there are many businesses who do not care if two people of the same sex want to get married and are willing to do so.
The Government should not be dictating to every state that they must allow Gay marriage.
Our federal Government has no right to tell every state what to do with their marriage laws.
This is what happened when Obama appointed two liberal activist Justices to the supreme court. This is the power of the President and why Trump won the election.
Trump appointed a Justice that will intepret the Constitution rather than legislating new law forced on every state.
Well I guess they do, because it happened, right? Justice Gorsuch and ALL of the other justices will interpret the Constitution the way they see fit. And every court precedent has to be "forced" on every state the same.
No, Gorsuch and constitutional Justices will vote as the Constitution says and they would not force any law on all States unless it was a matter of extreme importance.
Half the nation today is living together rather than getting married so marriage obvioulsy is not a big concern to them.
This is all about sanctioning unnatural abnormal sexual orientations as being normal so Gays can feel better about themselves. Nothing more.
They can start feeling better about themselves without forcing all states to change their marriage laws. It's called being secure with who you are no matter what others think. If you are still insecure, then you should look at your life and ask why.
I think you are partially right, however you need to think about the continuous persecution that gays tolerate. Maybe its better if we let them feel better about themselves so that they're it's less of a chance of keeping people from who they want to be. Keep peoples choices open.
Gee, maybe THAT'S why gays are insecure. Not because of themselves but because of other people yelling to tell them what to do. Maybe if we just left them do what they want and live like normal people, they would enjoy that privilege. It's the 21st century
Gays can already do what they want to do. That does not require marriage. I guess you are saying that two straight people living together with out marriage is not living like normal people?
That marriage document to anyone who does not believe in God is simply a piece of paper. There are actually many more marriage penalties when it comes to taxes, etc. then there are benefits.
I repeat, it's all about sanctioning an unnatural abnormal thing to the detriment of our children.
I am fine with any person being who they want to be. That doesnot mean we change our marriage laws to sanction their unnatural orientations, and in doing so sending a message to our impressionable children that they can experiment with any unnatural abnormal sex out there in the world.
Adults are suppose to raise up our children with the simple knowledge and truth of what is natural and normal in life. We teach them biology and how our bodies are designed, but then we have the Leftwing Democrat Party, Hollywood, tv sitcoms, late night comedy, etc. etc. constantly pushing unnatural LGBTQXYZABCDEF orientations in their face.
No wonder our children are so confused when they hit puberty. It's terrible what we are doing to our kids. They deserve to be told the truth how our bodies are designed, and it will be up to them when they are mature enough to make their own decisions about these controversial issues.
We are not forcing our children to experiment with Gay sex, but we sure are sending the message to them that it is a natural normal sexual orientation.
It is not!
Every parent and every teacher and every adult have a responsibility to raise up our children in the natural order of life. When they grow up, they will be mature enough to make their own decisions.
Gay marriages dosent help anybody and its not natural at all i think its something to do with the brain because babies arent born naturally attracted to the same sex
